Merge Clips Question

Have read the manual and searched the forums but can't work this out.
Basically I'm syncing double system audio and creating merged clips. As the video is HDV all the shots are already seperate clips. However the audio files are 1 hour long clips (transfered from DAT). Now, using the timeline technique to merge the clips, I cut out only the audio I need for each shot and merge it with the video. However the resulting clips contain ALL 1 hour of the audio (with in and out points around the video, that is most video shots are about 30 sec). This doesn't work for me since I want only the length of the shot on the playback bar of the preview window to be as long as only that shot is, for easy navigation in the shot. Even if I cut and delete the extra audio on the timeline, it still gives me all 1 hour of audio on the merged clip... how can I delete this unwanted audio on each clip? Not sure if I'm explaining this clearly. I have 43 hours and potentially thousands of shots, so individually exporting each and every merged clip as it's own shot is not at all doable from a time and hard drive space perspective. Thanks!

Ok. I've found an odd work around that you may want to try.
Make sure linking is on in your timeline. Sync audio to video. Link the audio to the video. Instead of merging, double-click to load the linked clip into the viewer.
Create a sub-clip (CMD+U). Drag the sub clip into the sequence. The audio and video will be the correct length, but the audio will not be in sync (it'll be offset, don't ask me why). Unlink the subclip (CMD+L). Using snapping, drag the video clip so that it's correctly atop the audio clip. Relink (CMD+L). Drag the new clip into your browser to create the merged clip.
The merged clip will no longer reference the entire audio media. You can delete the subclip from your browser when you're done.
It's a weird work around but it works and doesn't require any exporting or re-importing which will make it MUCH faster to get what you want.
Andy

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