Merged clips problem

I have a very odd problem.
Some time ago I started a new project, from the beginning using premiere CC in a mac (not sure the version, but right now I'm at 8.1) with r3d video files (shot on red epic with no audio on AV clips) and wav audio files recorded on an external recorder.
Merging these clips was no problem to begin with, and didn't seem to be buggy or problematic at all.
That was when I was using a mac version of premiere CC.
I came back to the project after switching to a Windows 8 run PC - and all of the sudden my nicely titled merged files are now all buggy and weird - only about half of the video is on those merged clips while the entire audio is there - and I can't right- click on the clips (in the browser) - just nothing happens.
Anyone have a similar problem with merged clips?

...and the lack of good merged clips support was always one of the challenges in persuading other indie editors to switch over from FCP...
I guess they just have to weigh that up against the lack of support they got from Apple for FCP in its entirety.

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I guess they just have to weigh that up against the lack of support they got from Apple for FCP in its entirety.

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I'm hoping someone has some insight into a problem I'm having. When I sync audio to my TK dailies, I usually go through the following steps:
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First post in the Adobe Communities! I'm glad to be a port of it
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I attach the GSPOT info on that file.
(I never had this problem on my older XP system that run PE2...).
I will try converting to see if the problem disappears.
Thanks!
// G

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We are having a problem with the trim mode on FCP 6.0.4. We're working with 1080psf 24 Apple ProRes 422 material, captured using a AJA Kona card.
The sound and picture were recorded separately, and synced manually (by creating merged clips) in FCP.
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How do I edit a merged clip in Audition, that was created in premiere to correct the synchronisation, and have it all updated to the premiere clip?
I have tried several tutorials but these either:
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premiere will either export a complete sequence or "edit clip in audition". the edit clip will create a copy of the original audio and open that in audition. there is no dynamic link, its just an audio file open in two programs at the same time. since there is no dynamic link, its not possible to bring merged clips into audition.
Adobe Premiere Pro Help | Synchronizing audio and video with Merge Clips
Once created, the merged clip cannot be re-synchronized, or adjusted. You must make a new merged clip.
Merged clip audio results in mono track audio only.Final Cut Pro XML and AAF interchange formats are not supported.
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Having struggled with my typical editing style using dual sync sound i've been able to replicate a few bugs, by listing them here my hope is to get other editors using "merged clips" with dual sync sound can find a solution around them. This has come up a few times in the forums but hasn't specifically addressed the bugs.
http://forums.adobe.com/message/4503977
http://forums.adobe.com/message/4676617#4676617
These bugs are with using Merged clips.
1. using the match frame command from a clip in a sequence and then using a replace edit from source monitor on another clip, matches frame on video, but sync is off on the audio. Using match frame on the newly replaced clip does reconnect to the correct timecode with the audio in sync, however the audio and video in and out points do not line up with the matched frame clip. So you can't just use the overwrite edit with the matched framed merged clip. Once you've matched frame with the incorrectly referenced audio, you can not use the replace edit command again, it gets grayed out.
2. This same bug occurs when find an merged clip in the browser, creating in and out points and using the replace clip command from bin. The audio is out of sync and replace edit command becomes grayed out.
3. Once the mismatch in the audio sync has occurred from the replace with match frame, the merged clip in the bin when loaded into the source monitor shows the inpoint and out point of the video, and a separate in and out point of the audio, which is not aligned properly like it was when it was originally created. Only when the in and out point of the audio and video are manually changed does the merged clip become a unified clip again. (one in and out point referencing both audio and video)
if anyone else can replicate this bugs it would be appreciated.
My clips have been manually synced in premiere, would be interested to see if pluraleyes' behavior is any different, but I don't have access to pluraleyes for Premiere if anyone can test.
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Unfortunately this is not a spanned clip problem with Adobe or Panasonic. This issue does come up from time to time.
Be sure when you pull the card from your camcorder, you LOCK IT immediately. Then it becomes impossible to change anything on the card purposely or inadvertantly (and as you are aware, changing anything - structure, file names, ANYTHING - on the card will blow the whole operation, so locking it is perfect). Also, sometimes Mac users have problems when they fail to lock their cards, because Mac OS immediately starts writing files to the card if it's not locked.
When you're using the Media Browser in PPro, be certain that you are viewing the clips in AVCHD mode (there's a dropdown option for this right there in the Media Browser). If you're importing individual clips from a single continuous recording, you're NOT in AVCHD mode, and this will always cause the problem you are describing.
I don't mean to lay this out as "you're doing it wrong" but unfortunately this is all very well documented at this point, and whenever there is a problem with spanned clips, it is 100% of the time due to a user that renamed something, moved files, or otherwise didn't follow the complete rules of AVCHD management. I don't normally use a term like 100% (tend to prefer 99.9%) but I say 100% because it is absolute in this case.

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Anyway, the whole thing is nearly up and running again - but there is a problem with some of the merged clips. We were shooting on DSLRs, with a Zoom H4N dual audio system. Dual Eyes was then used to synch the clips. Which were then merged with the relevant video files in the various relevant bins.
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I'm running into a weird problem after using the Merge Clips option. I have my video and audio selected, I've already moved the audio so they're both synced. It looks like this:
Then I use Merge Clips and pull the new file into a new sequence which in turn looks like this:
I checked the audio channels for both and apparently the merged file separated the left and right audio channels into two separate streams as opposed to using the single stream for both channels like the original.
Anyway to prevent it from doing this?

So according to Adobe's website: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/premierepro/cs/using/WS2bacbdf8d487e582-73725e6a12e5a6165d0-7f ff.html
At the very bottom they list limitations, one of which being "Merged clip audio results in mono track audio only."
Which I was familiar with before posting this. It doesn't seem however that the two tracks are mono it looks like they are two separate stereo tracks. If I mute one I still get audio in both speakers even though I muted the "right" track.
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Moving project breaks merged clips...

Hello,
This is a complex and difficult problem to describe by writing, apologies if it's not clear. I've been working for several months on a large project that was shot double system: video imported as Pro Res (shot in HDV) and audio (recorded on DAT) that was transfered to aiff files. So I had 43 cassettes of video (with each shot automaticall being it's own clip - as it was HDV) and then 13 one hour aiff files of the DAT audio. In FCP I broke down each video clip and synced it with it's audio and created merged clips. I had trouble while creating the merged clips as detailed in this thread (http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1818825&tstart=0). Originally the merged clips when opened has the audio and video totally out of sync and were useless, and when I went back and made the reel names match between the DAT aiff files and the video, then the re-merged the clips they were in sync. So everything has been okay since then.
Now, after working for months on one computer, I moved the entire project to another computer. I copied all of the files from the old computer into the new computer so the files and everything are the same. But upon opening the project on the new computer everything is offline and I need to re-connect all of the media. However when I do reconnect it all, now all of my merged clips (there are atleast 2000 of them) are all out of sync again (of note, when I reconnect I always get the error message "reel names doesn't match" and I choose "continue" as when ever I choose "try again" it wont reconnect the media). Is there any other way around this issue other than having to go back and spend another 3 weeks laboriously manually changing the reel names of and re-re-mergeing each of the thousands of indivdual merged clips (in order to have them be useable, in-sync merged clips)? Even if I do this, I know that in a few weeks I will be bringing the project back to the orginal computer, and again everything will be off line and then I'll have to once again change reel names for each clip, and re-re-re-merged them to get it all working again. Does anyone have any ideas or insights into this issue? Has anyone else atleast had to deal with this issue? Thanks!

It sounds like when you moved the material, you simply copied the folders instead of using Media Manager.
Preventing your problems is why MM exists. While MM may have it's detractors (I've been one of them), it has been improved in the more current FCP versions.
Read very carefully through the section in the Manual that covers it then use it to create a transportable copy of your project.
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Trying this again, having a major problem since update working with merged clips. I merge all my video and audio clips in a pre-workflow project in premiere pro. Just got my footage back from the shoot, labeled and sync'd in the project.
Because Premiere doesn't allow you to have more than 1 project open at a time, I copied the files, closed the pre-workflow project and opened my feature film project I've been working from. Copied the merged clips bin, I click on a clip, video plays fine but there's no audio playback.
I try importing the files from the pre-workflow project using the import project feature, keep only the actual merged clips (as the rest of my project is this way) still no audio. I have cleaned my media cache, reset preferences, even uninstalled premiere and redownloaded. Problem persists.
Can you help me figure out what the issue is so I can get back to making progress on finishing this feature film project?
The only thing different I've done this time that I didn't do last time was copied the audio into the bin with the video clips and merged that way. Before was putting video clips into my master audio bin and merging. But I don't see how this could possibly be the problem.

Going to try, but here is my workflow and have not encountered any problems until this last P/U days footage. I've been doing things this way because I found having all files in the project was causing it to crash constantly when I was working. I have a new I7' processor IMac with 24 gigs of RAM. And since Premiere does not allow you to have multiple projects open at the same time (Wish this would change. Avid and FCP both allowed multiple projects) I have to do things this way.
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