ML on SSD - clone or download?

Hi,
I ordered a new Mac Mini, and I am considering to put a SSD drive in it, as described here:
-->http://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/DIYIMM11D2/
Obviously, I want the SSD to be the boot drive, what is the best way to get OSX on it:
* Download it from the App Store
* Clone it from the original stock HDD with Carbon Copy Cloner
To me, cloning seems the easiest way, but are there any disadvantages to this?

My mini is a mid 2011 MiniServer so, I had 2 500GB drives inside. Pulled them both I am planning on adding a 1TB internaly next month in addition to my SSD.
But, back to you question. I moved my iTunes & iPhoto Libraries to my now external striped Raid
I do believe I just copied the iTunes folder onto my new raid moved the old library to the trash then started iTunes while holding the "option" key itunes should ask for a library then just point it to where you moved your library

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