Motion 4 Opinion

I am sure this has been asked numerous times before, but believe it or not it is not easy finding the right information about this subject. I am a film student and am studying all aspects of filmmaking. One of them is compositing, editing and digital effects. I have upgraded from final cut express 4 to final cut pro this week, and welcome prores as well as all the other features in final cut pro 7.
My question pertains to real world comparisons of motion 4 vs after effects. I know this is a motion forum, but all things equal, what are the big differences that stand out. I am really not familiar and before I start learning one or the other, I'd like to get my facts straight.
Seemed like you were exactly the kind of people who would steer me in the right direction.
Thanks

Some smart guy comes and says to do a "search" because it has been discussed. ,
Yes, Mark Spencer is a very smart guy. Me, I'm just a smart a$$.
The conversation about Aperture vs Lightroom is easier to research for two reasons: there are many more users of those products and they are more similar than Motion and After Effects. The fact that these are motion graphics tools is where the similarity ends. Your search should have resulted in a long series of threads here that, one by one, explain the main differences. Macintosh forums, video forums, and product review sites have published extensive comparisons. You should be able to find them. The fact that you did not find exactly what you're looking for—a comprehensive list—is not a problem around here because this is where you come for help with the application, not to insist on answers to purchase decisions. You can easily find the marketing information and draw your own conclusions if you understand the marketing claims. If you do not understand the language of the motion graphics industry, making a decision about which product to buy is going to be easy: get Motion. In a few months or years you will probably add After Effects to fill out your capabilities or to acquire advanced standard effects. Folks will point to one product's out-of-the-box experience as superior to the other. That's completely subjective and of no real help in the life of the product. One might consider Motion's 3D particle abilities as the deal-maker but you can add Trapcode to AE and leave Motion in the dust.
The fundamental difference is standardization and flexibility. Plugins are available for both systems (and you're not going to get a list of them here, visit the Apple and Adobe marketing pages). If you're in the motion picture business or expect to exchange files with PC-only shops, After Effects is your tool of choice because that is the application you will be expected to know. If you are in the video business and will not expand your skills or services beyond this market, Motion is your tool of choice. Motion's realtime previewing (assuming you understand the limitations) is better than AE's. AE's available plugins far surpass Motion's in coolness and originality. If you do not have ultrasophisticated scripting and expression/Java in your future, no reason to get AE.
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