New camera: HDV or AVCHD??

Hi
b Q1: I am looking for a HD camera, I've used DV until now. I'll also upgrade to CS4. But which camera should I go for, or more specific, which format: HDV or AVCHD? Any camera suggestions (in the range of 1000-1500 USD (or about 10.000 NOK)
I have read a lot about the time issues using AVCHD, as well as other problems using this format. But it seems that, at least for someone, it does work.
About my usage:
- editing is just a hobby for me, so long rendering/exporting time is not a problem, as long as the(simple) editing works fine (that I preview transitions, added text, and some other "simple" effects without need to render first)
- for me would a HDD based camera be more convenient than a tape based HDV camera (that is why I "hope" to get a avchd camera instead of HDV)
b Q2: I have a Core 2 Duo 2,4 GHz, 2 GB DDR2 ram three disk system now, but will do some upgrades if neccessary (eg. 3xRAID 0, Quad core, some more ram)
b Q3 Which process is time consuming using AVCHD? importing to Premiere (but I guess you do not have to recode the files?), editing, and/or rendering/exporting to Blue ray?
b Q4 For those of you using AVCHD, and are happy about how its works, what kind of camera and system do you use?
Thanx
Nic

Hi,
my inputs are:
Q1:
if you like a nontape workflow --> Go for AVCHD
Why not using Premiere Elements 7 for your hobby? everthing is perfectly supported in the first round..
Q2:
With a reasonable Q6600 system you can play 2 AVCHD streams nearly readtime today, i.e. editable both in PPro CS4 and APE7
Q3
In my case to apply/render a redgiant filter to a clip is even more time consuming as to generate a BD, never was a problem for me
Q4
AVCHD isn't evil, it's only another animal to tame.
I use a Sony CX6E camcorder (memorysticks up to 32 GB), a monopod, a Zoom H2 for audio (forget the 5.1 ideas with cameras which even don't have limiter for the internal mic). If you would like to have some manual control I would suggest to look the Panasonic AVCHD consumer line.
My next investment will be most probably a Panasonic HMC151E (AVCHD)or a Sony FX1000 with a recorder attached --> both at least 200 % of your budget; in any case you touched only the surface of all components needed for this "new world" :-))
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