Offline edit, timecode and nested sequence question

I'm working from DVcam dubs on a 10 song, 5 camera video shoot. It will be mastered from original HDCam tapes eventually. Too keep things orderly I planned to create a sequence for each song, edit from a multiclip, then dump each finished song segment into a new master segment. However when I ran a test to see if this would work it seems that the new master sequence time codes only refer to the time codes from the individual song sequences, not the original tape (each clip starts at 01:00:00;00). Thus when I go to recapture from the original HD tapes, the time codes would be off. Is there a way to make this process work or should I be editing everything into one master sequence right from the start? I plan on making an offline copy of the final sequence using Media Manager so when I take it to the final production house they can just capture the final sequence with handles, not all 6 hours of tape. It's just cuts and dissolves. Any workflow suggestions would be appreciated.
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The clips should still reference their original timecode on the tapes as long as you have not replaced the clips themselves with proxy clips or self-contained movies that have had their timecode modified. This should not be affected by nesting sequences.
You should probably collapse your multiclips before running Media Mangler.
I actually use the proxy clips method often when working with multiclip. As you are aware, the multiclip can only be as long as the longest angle, and you cannot have multiple clips in one angle, so what to do if several tapes are captured in pieces? -
I create a sequence which is an image of each tape, with the starting timecode modified to match the tape's timecode. I then export these to reference movies which I re-import to FCP. I then assign the relevant reel names to these proxy clips, and create my longer multiclips with these.
I cut my multiclip sequence, collapse it and use MM to create offline:remove unused. It creates a new sequence which correctly references my tapes and timecode. I was amazed the first time this worked for me.
Hope this helps.

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Help with corrupted nested sequences.

First off, let me say that next project I'm going with Avid.
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Have you got a backup of your original photos? If so then you can
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as taught in computing 101 class.

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How can I go about “decomposing” the nests when generating an EDL or XML?
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This only works when you start a new project and disable the "insert and overwrite sequences as nests or individual cips".
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I read about the workflow, but there`s is one part that i don`t understand.
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BUT I DON`T HAVE A TAPE !!
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Folks, i've Found a Workflow in the web and tested it tonight - (it Works)!
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Pardon the elementary question, I searched around the forums to find that other people have much more involved workflows than mine. Maybe there is a simple answer.
When editing, I have dozens of tracks of different elements, like background footage, graphic elements, titles, animations that are all being composited. For manageability, I will take a bunch of clips and nest them. If I need to edit something about this nested sequence, I double click it and make the change. The problem is that I don't know how to view the effect of that change while making the edit because the program monitor only shows the current sequence. How can I work with timing and positioning within a nested sequence so that I can see the effect that the edit will have in the sequence that the nested element has been placed?
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Don't be so quick to say it can't be done. It sounds like we are thinking of two seperate things. I am not trying to view two comps at once, although that too can be done in AE.
The result I am looking for in Premiere can be done easily in After Effects by locking the preview.
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Click the lock in the Comp A Preview Tab
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Now you can work in Comp B while watching the result in Comp A
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Each edit is taking 5-10 seconds to process in some of my project file's nested sequences. What can I do?

I edit a weekly news show. For this show, I have created a Project File that I re-use as a template every week. It's a highly nested template, with a sequence for every used material (the anchorman’s footage, the news set, the media playing over the anchorman’s shoulder, the lower thirds, etc). It has three different camera angles in a multicam sequence, each sequence sharing the same nested sequences but just resized to look like a different camera angle. To make this easier to understand, here's an episode (explicit):
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So why do you think that my sequences are operating so slowly? What could be causing it? Could it be that each sequence is used several times in the multicam sequence? If so, why has it worked smoothly until now? What can I do?

Yes same issue for me also, working in mutli cam nestings
Very Very Sluggish Performance, semi hangs in PP, if you actually wait long enough, or leave it hung whilst you do a post on here, for a few minutes then it may come back to response.
The issue is defo to do with nesting, I have tried turning off audio wave forms, which helps in the multicam nest edit but as soon as you put that sequence into a third nest then the sluggishness is major.
Basically, this looks to be the same issues that have been reported before with the new update.

What is a nested sequence and how do you create it?

If you nest a sequence of 5 clips does it become one clip? So how do you make one? I understand that to nest a sequence you highlight the clips you want in the browser and drag them into the viewer. The viewer only shows one of the clips though and the rest are stacked in the recently viewed files. So then what? Am I even doing any of this right?
Sputnik

A nested sequence is a sequence that contains other sequences. It's a way of organizing your work in FCE as your projects become more complex and/or your creative needs necessitate the capabilities nested sequences provide. Nested sequences are very useful for organizing complex projects, to reduce the amount of rendering needed when you are working with effects, and to control the order in which effects are rendered in your project.
Think of it this way - you capture clips from your camera. In FCE you create a sequence and you add your clips to it and then go about doing your editing, adding effects & filters, etc. Your sequence will be listed in the Browser just the same as your captured clips.
If you then create a 2nd sequence, you can put your entire first sequence into it just the same as adding a clip to it (by dragging it from the Browser into your new sequence), and then within the 2nd sequence you can treat the nested sequence as if it were a single clip - set in/out points, add effects & filters, etc.

Copy and Past Nested Sequence loses link to Master

Has anyone else noticed this problem? I've got a nested sequence that I'm cutting and editing around and most of the time everything is fine. If I doubleclick the nested sequence in my main sequence, it opens the nested one and if I then double click the nested sequence in my Browser, it goes to that same sequence. Changed in one will show up in the other.
BUT, if I copy and paste the nested sequence in my main sequence, the new pasted version will open a NEW sequence that isnt linked to the Master in my Browser. So now, changes in the new nested sequence or the Master dont show up in the other one.
Is this just me thats having this problem?

I can see where you are coming from, and where the engineers at Apple were coming from, but I strongly disagree with this behavior. In my opinion, if you want to have a separate copy of a sequence, you should make a copy in your bin and bring that in. That way your new sequence HAS a master sequence and you can CHANGE the name, both of which help to avoid confusion.
So, maybe you're right and most people prefer it the way that it is, but let me explain the workflow I'm using and you'll see why this is so absolutely frustrating to me.
I'm editing a documentary in Chinese and as I dont speak Chinese, I've had it all translated, and added subtitles to the interview footage so I can edit it. And to make absolutely sure that the subtitles and footage stay in sync (since I wouldnt know it if they werent) I've put all the footage into separate sequences and I'm editing those sequences as if they are raw footage.
And due to this, I'm throwing sequences around every which way while I try to create my story. And sometimes that means copying a series of edits into a new timeline to work on separately from the larger project. And as I see it, there is NO WAY to do that currently and keep the sequences linked to the masters, other than pulling up each master sequence into the Viewer, changing the in and out points to match the clip I want and Inserting it into a new timeline. And when you want to copy over a segment that has perhaps 20 edited bits, thats WAY too much trouble.
So I'll admit that I'm editing in a somewhat abnormal way due to my subtitles, but as there is no way to copy and paste sequences and keep the link to the Master, I think the behavior is broken.
Oh, and the "Tools->Create Master Clips" command, which is supposed to relink clips to their masters if there are any in the Browser, doesnt work for Nested Sequences.

A question in regards to a nested sequence

I'm assembling many sequences into a FINAL sequence, and I noticed while checking Item Properties that the "little"sequences in the Final Sequence have Field Dominance set to None or Non Set, but when I check the same - little sequences' Item Properties in the Browser they have Field Dominance set to Lower, Even First.
Question #1: IS THIS something to be concerned with? or - can I proceed, and my final, assembled "big" sequence will be OK?
I already rendered all of the "little" sequences, but when they are put into the final "big" sequence, I see some grey within the blue (rendered line on a top of the Timeline's audio/video bar), and in those spots (when hover the mouse over there) it says: Audio: Media Files or Video: Media Files instead of "Rendered", as it does say in a majority of the render two bars on a top of the Timeline.
Question #2: Is THIS something to be concerned with? Should I try to render those spots, or - can I proceed, and my final, assembled "big" sequence will be OK?
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Thank you so much! YEs - it is a DV (NTSC) sequence/es.
..so the "Media File" instead of the "Rendered" is OK, and it just does not need to be rendered - that's great (I know about the "other" colors), and I will definitely do the Mixdown.
Thank you again, and if you have ANY additional tips for such a nested sequence (comprised out of 40+ "little" sequences) - please let me know (I inserted a 2 sec Slug at the very beginning of the "big" sequence (that nests all the "little" ones, so I thought that perhaps that Slug might create a "NONE" in the Item Properties for all the rest ..?)

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Only thing is, I'm making use of the neat way you can edit sequences separately and then place those sequences on a timeline. The problem is, when I output an OMF or EDL from this assembly, all I get is references to the sequences themselves (I.E. only 6 clips)!
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OK...I am imagining I am editing a feature film using an Avid. And in this imagining I notice that Avid too has a nesting feature called COLLAPSE. And in sequences that have been collapsed, EDLs and Cut Lists don't reference the clips inside the collapsed area. I now imagine I am working on a network TV series (cop drama, on for 13+ years), also on an Avid, and there too, collapsed sequences don't spit out proper EDLs.
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Now I am imagining me or my assistant (when I get to be the big editor I'll have the assistant do it...but now I am the assistant so it is ME doing it) going thru the sequences and EXPANDING THEM to show all the clips so that a proper online can occur.
I imagine you have to do the same with FCP. But I am new to the program, so I am not sure. Wait...wait...wait. I did a test. Yes, my imagination is VERY good. I have to do what was suggested...open the nest and copy/paste that onto the main timeline.
Mom always said I had a wild imagination.
Nesting or collapsing your sequences are done to add filters to multiple clips, like letterboxing or color correction. When you output an EDL, you don't need that, so the nest is MOOT.
Reflect...take note. Do it manually.
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