Optimizer not considering Means of transport cost

Hi,
I m working on SCM 7.0. I would like to choose source location based on some priority. I m mapping this scenario by maintaining means of transportation cost in T-lane. But when I am running optimizer, optimizer is choosing random source and also in log its not showing the MoT cost incurred after planning stock transfer.
Am I missing some setting?
Best regards,
Vaibhav

Hi Vaibhav,
Which optimization method are you using "Linear" or "Discrete " ?
There is a good documenttation for these at URL below:
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_scm70/helpdata/en/21/186b398c15ef59e10000000a114084/frameset.htm
I hope this will help.
Regards
Datta

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Thank you so much for your prompt reply and help. However I still have some query.
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