Out of gamut warning

InDesign will not let me use dark blues, greens or purples and it gives me an error message saying "out of gamut warning."  What do I do to fix this?

If you make an RGB or Lab swatch that is out-of-gamut to your document's CMYK space an out-of-gamut warning shows in the swatch dialog. When you use the color it will stay in the RGB gamut unchanged as long as you don't have transparency anywhere on the page with the default CMYK Transparency Blend mode selected, or you don't have Overprint/Separation Preview turned on:
No transparency, Overprint Preview off.
a transparent object on the page with a CMYK Transparency Blend space

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  • Soft proofing and Out of Gamut warning

    I like to use Blurb for a perfect photo book. I am an amateur photographer but like the most of my pictures on paper.
    What's the perfect workflow for soft proofing ?
    A friend of me has calibrated my screen (Thunderbolt Apple screen).
    My current methode :
    I take a picture in RAW with AdobeRGB profile setting, i adjust a few parameters in Lightroom and then go to Photoshop and start de soft proofing with the Blurb-ICC profile.
    The result with soft proofing is like there's a white mist over the picture. Then i try to optimize this with various parameters.
    When i try the soft proofing with the Blurb ICC profile + out of Gamut warning option .... there are many colors out of gamut .
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    When i import the raw picture in photoshop cc and i convert the picture to the Blurb profile, then there are no out of gamut colors but everything is in CMYK.
    Is this a good way for perfect photo books in Blurb ?
    Or must i ignore the out of gamut colors ?
    Is it better to make my pictures in sRGB ?
    When i want to save the end result in Photoshop cc ( jpeg for Blurb )  must i enclose the Blurb ICC (when in CMYK) , Adobe RGB or sRGB profile (when in RGB)  ?
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    Since I don't know what "Blurb" is, I'm going to assume that's your printing service somewhere, and that they have provided you with their target printer profile.
    What you describe under current method is absolutely normal, expected behavior.  Adobe RGB simply is a much larger color space than whatever this Blurb profile is.
    If you care to let me know how or where I can get a hold of this Blurb profile, I can in a matter of seconds prepare an illustration of how the two profiles compare to each other.  From where I sit, it would appear you're throwing away a lot of image quality by using Blurb.
    There are two wacky ways of getting around your seeing the out of gamut warnings.  The first is not to soft-proof at all. (Duh!  )  The other one is an unorthodox workflow which works just fine PROVIDED you are aware that the image files as an end product are only good for Blurb and for no other purpose, and that is to set your WORKING COLOR SPACE from the get go to the Blurb profile.  Of course that is not the recommended or even kosher workflow.  It is only a workaround to the deficiencies of this Blurb profile.
    I cannot comment on your "second method" until I know more about this Blurb phenomenon.  If they print on a CMYK press, then they are throwing away a lot of colors, even if you send them images in sRGB.  Nothing you can do about that.
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  • WhenPrinting- Does Photoshop or Epson Determine out of gamut ?

    We, (our photo club), have had a discussion going. When finished with your photo using CS2, if you go to Gamut warning and it is out of Gamut, you go to CMYK and back to RGB to get rid of the out of Gamut warning. This removes the out of Gamut colors. We printed 2 pictures using a small portion of the picture blown up 200%. We could not find any difference if we did the above fix or if we just printed the out of Gamut picture on a Epson 1280. Now the question comes up- does Adobe or Epson really drive the printer? Or are we spinning our wheels doing the Gamut correction ?? I may need a Adobe or Epson Techie...?? Anyone know ?
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    We, (our photo club), have had a discussion going. When finished with your photo using CS2, if you go to Gamut warning and it is out of Gamut, you go to CMYK and back to RGB to get rid of the out of Gamut warning. This removes the out of Gamut colors. We printed 2 pictures using a small portion of the picture blown up 200%. We could not find any difference if we did the above fix or if we just printed the out of Gamut picture on a Epson 1280. Now the question comes up- does Adobe or Epson really drive the printer? Or are we spinning our wheels doing the Gamut correction ?? I may need a Adobe or Epson Techie...?? Anyone know ?
    Thanks
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  • Out-of-gamut colors

    I am working on something that will only be seen on a computer screen, and I want to use out-of-gamut colors, but I can't find a color profile that will allow it.
    Is there any setting I can use that will allow me to use out-of-gamut colors?
    Thanks!!

    If by out of gamut you mean the colors that show an exclamation sign in the Color panel and Color picker when working in RGB documents, these are colors in the color space of the document that are not contained in the CMYK color space selected as a Working Space in your Color settings. Or in other words this is how these colors will become when you change the RGB document to CMYK.
    For example if you have an RGB document using the sRGB color space and the working CMYK color space is U.S. Web Coated SWOP v2 you will have one set of out of gamut colors, but if you change your working CMYK color space in the Color Settings to US Newsprint which is with much smaller gamut then a lot more RGB colors will show the out of gamut warning sign.
    Likewise if you keep your working CMYK color space the same say, U.S. Web Coated SWOP v2 but assign a different RGB color space to your document let's say Adobe RGB or ProphotoRGB which have much larger gamuts than the sRGB color space then also a lot more colors will show out of gamut.
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    edit:
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    I am working on something that will only be seen on a computer screen, and I want to use out-of-gamut colors
    Each monitor, not only brand, but each unit of the same brand, has a certain unique color space than can be measured with a color measuring device and a color profile describing the color space can be created for it. If your document is assigned the color space of  your monitor instead of some of the standard RGB color spaces like sRGB, AdobeRGB, and etc., then you will have an unique set of out of gamut colors showing the warning sign. So in your question you have to also specify which RGB color space you are talking about: standard or device specific?

  • Photoshop's Inherent Weakness - "out of gamut"

    Hi Folks, well I think it is about time to for me to say this.  After weeks and weeks of head scratching and emails and experiments on my 3800 I have to conclude that photoshop (in my case CS3) has a huge flaw - it does not truly represent colour that is either in gamut or out of gamut.  The truth is that ordinary photographs do indeed hide subtle colour inaccurracies that when seen as a single tint on a greyscale image really show up, and photoshop is incapable of dealing with what is in gamut and what is out of gamut with regards to  colour mixes on fill layers.  Untill I started to tone my images and combine colour fill layers on varying opacities and blend modes I NEVER had any problems with colour management (just tweaks here and there) but when I went into toning I discovered that Photoshop simply fails miserably to tell you what it is able to print within a colour space and what is outside that colour space.  Oh and by the way soft proofing?  Overated nonsense that is a joke and three quarters.
    The only accuracy I got with regards to Photoshop and toning was when I placed these same images into the sRGB space, at that point I was shocked to see Not Perfection by any means, but certainly much more closer to the screen image that was, by the way, in the Adobe RGB1998 workspace.  So I tested many of my images that were in Adobe 1998 RGB on the screen and viewed them under the ASSIGN PROFILE = sRGB space and discovered a huge shift closer to the print out - not by any means accurate but very close indeed.  This, amongst many other experiments, proves that Adobe have failed here in a basic software operation, rendering out of gamut colour. As I said before - never any problems with ordinary colour photography, and this point is exceedingly important. 
    Colour fill layers are decpetive and adobe needs to address this - I know of nobody that uses colour fill layers to achieve what I have done and all toning that I have ever read about has been a sort of a flick of a few switches OR using the duotones and tritones menu (which I find lacking in creativity).   The colour fill layer dialoh=gue box does not render what is truly out of gamut, and what is more it is not even as though my choices of colours were anywhere near the borders of out of gamut.
    Conclusion?  Dissappointed in the overall rendering of accuracy of colour gamut with photoshop.

    Hallo Rick, how are things?  Well to be honest I am so really fed up with this whole situation and have wasted three weeks trying to figure it out.  I am tired of repeating myself.  I have just, at the suggestion of another person, soft-proofed my adobe rgb 1998 toned image in the sRGB space with colour nubers set to "preserve bumbers" in the soft proof dialogue box.  I know see perfect matches between my print out and screen image.  NOW, this is important, I have NEVER had this problem with normal colour photographs.  So it is not all to do with colour management.  And as Tim on photo.net said:'
    Chris, I'ld like to add some info I didn't mention in that thread that may explain a bit about Photoshop's Soft Proofing and out of gamut warning tools and their intended use. According to many discussions over at Adobe forums I've participated in on your issue, Soft Proofing is meant for photographs only.
    A duotone or toned image as you call it is considered a graphic effect. In fact the old way of getting this look was performed by graphic artists and prepress technicians before digital made it a click and print affair. I used to be both a graphic artist and prepress technician and the process for getting a toned image printed on a commercial press before inkjets came around involved cutting light blocking overlay film knockouts for each Pantone ink that was to be mixed using darkroom exposure tricks performed by the prepress technician.
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    Another aspect about why Gamut Warning and Soft Proofing is engineered for photographs is because photographs have by their nature a dithered pattern made up of millions of alternatiing pixel colors that act as a color slice and dice mincer that aids a printer that prints with a dithered pattern in smoothing out color TRANSITIONS it can't reproduce.
    There's a lot of "faking it" going on utilizing this dither smoothing in an attempt to fool the eye into accepting the color the printer chooses in relationship with the rest of the surrounding colors in the image. This is why there are rendering intents named Relative, Saturation, Perceptual and Absolute in Soft Proofing dialog box and in Photoshop's printer dialog box.
    You should try them out and see what happens with your toned images, but outcome can't be guaranteed because toned images don't possess enough alternating color dithering as in a photo to allow the printer to provide smooth color transitions. You'll notice their is a check box for "Dithering" in the Convert To dialog box. This isn't enough for toned images especially if choosing a color fill that doesn't allow the printer to "fake" this look. These printers including yours which uses a gamut limiting pigment inks for longevity over larger gamut dye based only have cyan, magenta, yellow and black to produce transitions in intense colors. That's not much to work with.
    And remember saturation is tied to luminance levels. The printer must reproduce the luminance level as well as hue and saturation using just two inks, in your case magenta and yellow, to get that orange brown. The only way to get a darker and lighter version is to add black because adding cyan, a mid density ink, will make it a dull brown. This is just plain physics learned in any paint mixing class.
    Pre-visualization tools such as Soft Proofing are primarily meant for allowing the remapping of intense colors like in flowers to allow editing for an alternative hue and saturation level that will allow the printer to "fake it" more precisely.
    So basically photoshop might be the problem.  But, if you seriously think that I ma at fault then I certainly will give it one last try because I really am sick of this ridiculous situation.  I will follow your instructions to the letter and will go through it for the 10th time.
    Kindest regards
    Chris.

  • Warning out of gamut for printing

    Hi I am not sure whether I have unintentionally changed some setting but I am unable to match the color of my image to the color of my webpage.
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    but I am unable to match the color of my image to the color of my webpage.
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    Ps, on the other test, is using the embedded profile (or applying its Working RGB, i.e. AdobeRGB, if you are not using the embedded sRGB profile) and Converting to your print space.
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    Place that on your Web #fd5554 and the background and Ps will "match/blend" in most/any browser (Mac or PC)...
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  • Color picker out-of-gamut alert diferent to image gamut warning? (CS5)

    I'm confused...
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    Ian Worthington wrote:
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    I ... choose an out of gamut color such as #ff0000.
    Perhaps I'm not understanding what you're doing fully, since you're abbreviating a lot of important stuff...
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  • [LR 5] Soft Proofing - Monitor Gamut Warning vary with printer profile ?!?!

    Hi,
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  • Strange behaviour softproof and Gamut warning

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    I read through your thread and can see how the banding issue you described would impact. The dark areas in my pictures tended to be shades of gray and when softproofing using simulate Paper Color went a slightly lighter shade (with banding in those areas). I tried this on a gray ramp and the problem is very visible (as it was in your thread).
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    Dave

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