Printing a simple saddle stitched comp booklet from a duplexing Xerox 700.

I am using 10.5.8. I am trying to print saddlestitched booklets from a Xerox 700 from InDesign or single page PDFs. Has anyone had any success with this is their some simple third party software available to provide a solution. CocoaBlooklet only gets me halfway there. The EFI software will not saddle stitch the duplexed pages.

Does this question have to do with the application Pages??

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Printing a saddle stitched book from acrobat 9.5.5

When using arobat 9.5.5
Printing a saddle stitch booklet
Cover from tray 1 & body from tray 3
Cover only prints 1-side

What type of device are you printing to, sounds like it is driven by a RIP (which is imposing the booklet)
On a Fiery driven RIP, the booklet tab includes a Wizard. By default (our) Fiery does not print on the inside of the cover page.
I prefer to launch the Wizard and toggle as shown.

How To Create Printer Spreads PDF for Saddle Stitch Booklet?

I need to output a PDF in printer spread format for a saddle stitch booklet from InDesign.
After installing CS5 Master Suite on my upgraded Mac OS X 10.6.2 MacBook I can't figure out how to do that though.
Has anyone figured this out?
Thanks,
DAN

That's why I qualified it... "practically identical". Replace "Adobe PDF" with "Postscript File" and I found that it got me 90% of the way there so Eugene's point about it helping someone else with a similar need rang true in my case. I was already aware of the lack of the PDF Printer in SL, so that was moot detail for me. But that's the beauty of a an open forum IMO: even if you didn't find it helpful I don't think he should be discouraged or chastened for his effort because it helped me and could undoubtedly help others too.
Also, as an aside specific to the Adobe forums, even though I am not remotely as prolific a poster as some folks, I have frequently found resolutions to Mac questions in Windows threads and vice versa. Personally, I also don't find it terribly clear which flavor of a given software's forum I happen to be in when coming in cold from a Google search or the like... eg. Sure, one should read the OP thoroughly, but if you were just scanning and trying to help, simply looking at the top of this very thread there is quite literally no indication of whether this is a Mac or Windows InDesign question:
"I've seen this question asked many times for both Windows and Macs"... me too, and I think every bit of info to troubleshoot it and crowdsource solutions can only help. Even if we don't all have the luxury of dealing with "modern printers."

Can't print multiple copies of saddle stitched booklet

We purchased a Canon Image Runner Advanced C5235 copier/printer last March, with a booklet maker. When printing from InDesign CS6, I can print one booklet, folded and stapled. However, as soon as I select more than one copy, it won't fold and staple the pages. I'm using a Mac with OS-X 10.9.5. I've had lengthy discussions with Canon tech support and had a technician in to look at it, and we've determined that the issue is exclusive to InDesign. I can print multiple booklets from Word and Adobe Pro, and by copying letter-sized pages on the Canon rather than printing from the computer. Has anyone else experienced this? Why would I be able to print one booklet, but not two or more? I know the work around could be to export from INDD to PDF, but when I do that, it automatically shrinks the content and centres it on each page of the booklet, resulting in tiny font and a lot of wasted space on the perimeter of each page, which is not acceptable for my finished product.

mytmo777 wrote:
I know the work around could be to export from INDD to PDF, but when I do that, it automatically shrinks the content and centres it on each page of the booklet, resulting in tiny font and a lot of wasted space on the perimeter of each page, which is not acceptable for my finished product.
There is a Page Scaling setting in both Acrobat and Reader that many people overlook that could be why your pages are shrinking.
If it has defaulted to Fit to Printable Area, try setting it to None. You may still only get one booklet at a time, but there are a few things about printing directly from InDesign that people find doesn't work as well as it should. Exporting to PDF is one of the things that usually gets you out of problems.

Print booklets from InDesign.

I used to create print booklets from InDesign but this option disappeared with version CS5. Is Adobe doing anything about restoring this feature? What are my options in the meantime?

Are you patched to 5.0.4?
I run XP SP2, rather than 3, and Acrobat 9 pro (now at version 9.3.2) and I haven't had a problem using Print Booklet to make a PDF, so I suspect either it's something in SP3, or more likely a problem on the system.
First thing might be to try replacing your preferences. See Replace Your Preferences
Next might be to unistall the PDF printer and reinstall it (does it work outside of Print Booklet?). Make sure you update Acrobat first, if you haven't already done so.
If neither of those works, see if there's anything else running in the background that could be causing a problem.
Finally, if nothing is working, it's time to look at a scripted solution. I know two scripts, both by Dave Saunders, that can handle simple two-up saddle stitch impositions without creep. One is better than the other if you have objects crossing the spine, but neither is as sophiticated in what it can do as Print Booklet, which can handle perfect binding with various signature sizes.

How to print Indesign 1 built 20 pg. doc. using Indesign 4, saddle stitch on color copier????

I have a document built in the first version of Indesign. We have two Macs (OS 10.4.11). My employer purchased a Sharp/COECO brand 6200 color copier/printer (a big boy!).
The #1 criteria for purchasing that equip. was that it had to successfully print our annual president's report. (After Sharp delivered the copier/printer, things went down hill starting with day one. Bad motherboard in machine; got new motherboard. Output quality shifted causing uneven margins on large posters (11x17) went sent directly from the Macintosh and it gets worse.) Long story short, our Sharp folks said it was because we were operating with Indesign 1 that the features for creating a saddle-stitch job appear grayed out (selections are shown, but we could not select them). Just last week we purchased Indesign 4. Installed it. Tried the very same steps as we tried with Indesign 1. Areas to select to create a booklet using saddle-stitch feature are still grayed out.
Document information: 20 page, single-page built 8.5 x 11 document (built using Indesign 1).
Cover Paper (for pages 1 & 20 and 2 & 19) : 80# Futura Laser Dull
Content Paper (for pages 3-18) : 80# Futura Laser Text
We want 700 copies of a 20 pg. document. We were instructed by our copier tech/specialist to print the covers separate (since they were to be a different weight paper). So I created an 11 x 17 horizontal layout to place my already built 8.5 x 11 single pages into so they would be printer spreads (the only way I knew to do it). Pages 20 & 1 were side one; pages 2 & 19 were side two. I printed one side first, then the other, as our copier will not duplex automatically.
The theory from our copier tech was that we would load the covers into the by-pass tray and those would pull (to be added to the content pages to be saddle stitched) once I sent the pages 3-18 (still in a single page format) from my mac to the new copier/printer. The software from my mac would "talk" to the software on the copier/printer and the copier/printer would know to impose, place my letter-sized pages into printer spreads. Made sense to me.
When we attempted to do all of the above, options that I needed to select for making it into a booklet, saddle-stitched, etc. were grayed out. After countless suggestions (with no solutions ) from our copier tech., they quickly washed their hands of the situation and stated that it was not their product but an issue with our mac. End of story.
We have 700 covers already pre-printed (containing pages 20 & 1, 2 & 19). I need to know if there is anyone out there who might have had a similar issue when trying to create a saddle stitched book, designed in Indesign 1, printed in Indesign 4 on a copier/printer that supposedly can do such as mentioned??If so, i need and appreciate all help, feedback, suggestions, recommendations as soon as possible. This job must be ready by Monday, Nov. 16, 2009.
Our only other option at this time is to set pages 3-18 up as printer spreads, print them on the 80# Futura Dull Text paper (will yield me 4 printer spreads) and pair those with the first printer spread (20 & 1 and 2 & 19), which will then be a total of 5 printer spreads and carry it to a local printer who will graciously collate, fold, and saddle stitch for only $85.
Please help and many, many thanks for all who can assist! I certainly appreciate it!

Daniel,
Thank you SO MUCH for your options and quick reply to my post! I'm nearly at my wits end ... our Command Workstation is also loaded on the only PC in my department. When you said it could be printed using Acrobat, I guess you mean just the plain old, basic Adobe Acrobat that one would use to open PDFs in? I'll give that a try first. If I've misunderstood you, please don't be afraid to correct me .... again, thanks!
Beth Gray
>>> Daniel Flavin <[email protected]> 11/04/09 5:58 PM >>>
Several options come to mind -
The copier engine and RIP are in charge of the imposition and duplexing from your single page file and should be available from any program ie: Word, Open Office, Acrobat. Could you print a 8 page file from any other program and have the features available?
Your support points the finger at the MAC drivers; do you have a PC in the facility to check the imposition and duplexing ability?
The job could be printed from Acrobat as easily as from InDesign if drivers are to blame.
Is the Sharp accesible/driven by a stand alone program ie: Command Workstation? You would be able to spool the page file and make the options from there.
FYI, 2 things you can expect and should check with from your local printer about the booklet making - A decent shop will score the covers before the gather, stitch and fold yeilding a nicer crease (no cracking along the spine). (I'm assuming your 80# Futura Dull is a cover weight as opposed to text weight.) Also, you should be getting a face trim to eliminate the creep from the inside pages - a clean polished outer edge. You Sharp can do neither and it is your annual report.

2-up saddle stitch, booklet feature, crop marks

Hi.
I'd like to make two flyers on one 8.5 x 11 size of paper.
I have made the flyer 5.5x8.5.
I put a .125 bleed alllll around so the size is actually 5.75x8.75 of the flyers.
So I used the booklet feature & I think I have a problem. The two flyers are next to each other. The bleeds look fine on the outter edges where the paper will be cut against the crop marks. I am having problems within the center between the two. They are overlapping each other & according to the crop mark (which I believe is placed accurate), a tiny part of the flyer on the right will go on to the left flyer. Am I supposed to do something different with sizing?
Before I started the booklet. I made 4 pages in the size of 5.75x8.75. (there is a front & back to the flyer).
Then I did the saddle stitch 2 - up. I basically left most of the defaults there except unchecking everything but crop marks.
Please help me understand.
Thank you in advance!

Jules,
When you use bleed the object is to allow enough space so that misalignment on the cutter will still give you acceptable results. This means that you need to separate the two pages slightly and trim the inside edge of both, along with all of the outside edges, rather than trying to get away with splitting them apart right where they join in a single cut (that can work for non-bleed layouts, but is just too iffy for color to the edge).
There is no way you can put two 5.5 x 8.5 pages together on one 8.5 x 11 sheet if they bleed. Even if you didn't have a problem in the center (and you can butt them if you remove bleed from the inside edge, but as I said, don't try it that way, especially on a desktop printer), you'd have a problem on the outer edges where you run into the non-printing area on the printer. The preview doesn't show you that. :)
Peter

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I have 6 separate files that are contained in a book in InDesign that are currently 8.5 x 11 pages (grand totaling 40 pages) which I would like to print all together in printer spreads, saddle stitched so that I end up with an actual book. How do I do this from InDesign?

Ask in the ID forum. Sheet layout/ print pagination is usually handled by other software and the RIP/ printer driver, but I'm sure there's some feature for that or a plug-in that can do it, I just never use this stuff since I too rarely use ID...
Mylenium

How do I print a saddle-stitch stapled magazine on 11x17 paper in adobe reader?

Pretty much says it in the title. I can print as a book and have all the qualities I need except the option to saddle stitch staple and fold it. If I go to booklet format, it shrinks, prints multiples on the same page, and just gets weird in general.
For the record, I'm using a PC laptop and adobe reader 10.1.
Thanks in advance!

I did a search and found this which seemed right on the money.
Use Cocoa Booklet to create a booklet with any number of pages (best in a multiple of 4). Create your Pages document in Letter-size as normal & then Export the Pages document to a PDF. Launch Cocoa Booklet & open its Preferences. In Paper Size set the Paper Format to "Personnalisé" with the Width 17 x Height 11 (measuring unit is set in a drop-down menu at the lower left of this preference window. Leave the default margins. In the Destination preference, select Yes for Add a suffix? to avoid overwriting your original PDF & click Save. The choices in the Options preferences are all left unchecked for your tabloid-size document. Then drag the PDF to the icon of Cocoa Booklet to will create a new PDF in booklet form.
I think I followed it exactly. I still printed 2 pages side by side that measured 4.5X6.25 not 2 pages that measure 8.5 by 11. I must be doing something wrong. I have spent all day working on it. Any help would be appreciated.

How do I print a booklet from a non-duplex printer in InDesign 5?

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I don't know if this shot of my dialog box is clear enough, but the pdf image previews as two landscape A5 spreads on a sheet of A3 paper. It's ok on the front and back cover though. I want one A5 spread per A3 page as the PDF is. I haven't fond a way to do this yet...any help would be gratefully received...

Saddle Stitch Booklet Help

We have an Indesign Job set-up as a 8 1/2 x 11 landscape (2 images on one page) that we are sending to a Sharp MFP with a saddle stitch finisher. The Sharp drives reduces the job when you select pamphlet mode in the driver. In the indesign driver under setup we have set the scale to 135% and checked constrain proportions. If we scale it up larger that 135% the image gets cut-off. Is there a way to fit the image to the edges of the page using this method.
To recap the sharp needs the pages set up as a single 8 1/2 by 11 then the sharp driver converts it to the correct format. When we send the job with the two images on one page we can't get it to fit correctly.

Usually when a print driver does the booklet imposition starting with an
8.5x11 page, it reduce those pages to fit on a 5.5x8.5 "page" but that will
result reduced pages that will not fit proportionately. That is, an 8.5x11
reduced to a 5.5x8.5 "page"
You should either set the ID document up as 5.5x8.5 pages, and then let the
copier do the imposition onto 8.5x11 pages and there will be no reduction.
Or, just send the imposed pages you have in ID as a 1>2 (two sided) print
job and then select the finishing features you want.

HUGE BUG printing Booklet from Acrobat Pro 11.0.10

I spent an hour chatting with Adobe support in India. They could not solve this issue.
I submitted a BUG REPORT at Adobe - Feature Request/Bug Report Form
Here is the BUG Report:
******BUG******
Concise problem statement:
Steps to reproduce bug:
1. Export individual pages from InDesign as pdf (16-page booklet, each individual page is 5-1/2" x 8-1/2")
2. Open pdf in Acrobat Pro 11.0.10
3. Choose actual size, then choose booklet, and print. (printer contains letter-size paper, and page set-up is set to 100% scale.)
Results: The printed booklet is the WRONG SIZE! The pagination is correct as usual, but each individual page is being REDUCED, and now each page image is too small, and there is now a GAP between pages, and the entire booklet is useless. If you can, please see case number: 0186447426: support chat: it covers everything we have tried so far ... (We tried everything they could think of, but all attempts failed.) This bug was introduced somewhere along the line with Yosemite.
Expected results: As usual, when printing booklets from Acrobat Pro, we expect the print to be the right size, the same size as the InDesign doc, and as it has been printed previously by Acrobat Pro prior to Yosemite. Thanks for fixing this disaster of a bug. Please contact me if you need further info, copies of the individual page pdf, etc.
I am literally stuck. I can go through the laborious process of using InDesign to "print booklet" to a postscript file and use Distiller to make the booklet pdf, but under Yosemite, I am prevented from installing print drivers unless that printer is locally available on my network. Unfortunately, the printer is located at my client's place of business.
I realize there is typically a leap-frog effect between operating system updates, hardware, and application updates, but combined with other Yosemite issues, this Acrobat Pro bug is killing my business.

DrStrik9 (sounds a bit poisonous to me!),
The issue, regrettably, is that Acrobat is performing as designed. And it has nothing to do with either MacOS 10.10 or anything new or different with Acrobat 11.0.10 (versus earlier versions going all the way back to the initial implementation of the booklet printing feature). And this isn't directly a printer driver issue, either! The same behaviour occurs both on MacOS and Windows.
The problem, simply stated, is that the Booklet print option in Acrobat (and Reader) is attempting to avoid loss of content due to the paper's non-printable margins. The scaling factors in the Size print option are not utilized at all in the Booklet print option. The Booklet print option attempts to fit two logical pages of your PDF file into the printable area of each physical sheet of paper. Assuming that your printer's Letter page is defined as having a printable area of 8"x10.5" due to a 0.25" non-printable area surrounding the page, then the Booklet print option will force each of the 5.5"x8.5" pages of your PDF file into a 5.17'x8" area centered on each half of the 8.5"x11" printed sheet.
There are three workarounds that I know of:
(1)    Many high end printers have booklet printing capabilities in the printer or printer driver itself. Check the detailed driver options to see whether in fact your printer / printer driver does support a booklet printing option. If so, try that first. That would likely solve your problem.
(2)    Assuming that this is a PostScript printer, edit the .PPD file for the printer you are using to to modify the specification of the Letter printable area. In the PPD file, you will see an entry similar to this:
    *ImageableArea Letter/Letter: "18 18 594 774"
or
    *ImageableArea Letter/US Letter: "18 18 594 774"
Edit the entry to change only the four numbers as follows:
    *ImageableArea Letter/Letter: "0 0 612 792"
That indicates to the PostScript driver that there is no unprintable border on your pages. Then save the .PPD file. I would then suggest rebooting and then trying to print. Note that the side effect of this is that Fit and Shrink oversized pages options will not take into account the non-printable area of your printer.
Note that a similar hack can be done with Ledger (i.e. 11"x17") page descriptions in the PPD to fix a similar issue affecting printing 8.5"x11" pages to 11"x17" sheets as booklets.
(3)    There are some very reliable third party plugins for Acrobat that provide full advanced document imposition capabilities, creating what are known as printer flats as a new PDF file from your logical pages. There are n-up, booklet, step-and-repeat, etc. options galore in such packages. Examples include Quite Imposing and PDF Snake. I have personally used Quite Imposing for nearly 15 years for this purpose and can vouch that it works beautifully. I don't have personal experience with PDF Snake, although it is less expensive.
Good luck and let us know if any of this helps you at all!
          - Dov

How can I get saddle stitch to work across several chapters in the book panel?

I have been able to get saddle stitching to work perfectly if I print from a single InDesign document by going to “Print Booklet”. The problem I am having is that I can’t get it to work across several documents that are from the same book. The position of the pages is only correct from within the chapter that is selected. In other words it will put the first and last page number from the chapter on the same page but only from within that chapter not the whole book. The way saddle stitching should work is to have the first page of the book and the last page of the book on the same piece of paper. How can I get that to work? I have been flipping through books and the internet for quite some time and I can't find the answer to this.
Your help is much appreciated. I have been working on this book for a long time (my first one) and I am looking forward to finally getting this completed!

For some reason Adobe never saw it fit to allow Print Booklet to work from the Book Panel!
Weird
Workaround -
Export the Whole Book to a PDF
Create a new document of the same dimensions
Look up Zanelli Multi Page Import for InDesign
http://indesignsecrets.com/placing-all-the-pages-of-a-pdf-inside-indesign.php
Then Print Booklet from the New Document.
The important thing to remember is that InDesign is a page layout tool. Yes it can allow you output single documents in a booklet it's a nice feature.
Ultimately though impositions should be done by printers themselves using specialised Imposition Software.
If you need to do this quite often then I think you should look into Quite Imposing plugin for Acrobat.

Print job best setup - inside edge bleed from facing pages?

I'm putting together a 32pp A4 report with InDesign CS3 that will be printed from PDF in China. I'm UK-based and I will be passing the file to the printers electronically. I speak no Chinese, yet my client has an office in China and one of their staff (non-graphics expert) will be the middle man.
At the moment I'm setting up my document with facing pages and 5mm bleed. I recall from a recent UK print job using the same document setup that when I output to PDF with Use Document Bleed Settings ticked, the print bureau complained that images which filled one side of A4 and bled off outside/top/bottom of the page did not bleed off the inside. I asked them how to give them what they needed and they said the facing spreads needed to be 'separated into single pages' before I made the PDF - this would enable bleed on all 4 sides. I didn't know how to do that and maintain facing pages to allow me to design on a spread-by-spread basis, so I asked them. They couldn't tell me, so I left it as it was. In the end they had to trim the pages slightly more on the inside to get rid of any white paper.
I'm very keen to avoid any problems at all with this print job, so I want to get the setup and process right in my head from the start.
So my question: how can I set this document up to minimise problems for the printer? I don't mind if that involves another process before exporting, I just don't know what that might be.
Many thanks.

The way you have it setup is the correct way for Perfect Binding.
The image that appears on the right hand page in the picture posted, that area actually goes into the spine area - look at any book that has a spine and see how deep the pages go into the spine.
You will also notice that the image on the right hand page does not go past the crop mark - so in reality it's actually cropped off the page altogether, so there's no need to worry about it.
What you have is perfect - for perfect binding (or saddle stitching)
Don't worry about the script posted earlier - that is for a different type of binding.
Sidenote
When you make a PDF for printing make sure you offset your Crop Marks further than your bleed
Bellow I've used points and pica (but you can use 5mm bleed and offset by 6mm)
Reason:
Crop marks
are needed to trim the page to size when printed. As printers can't
print right to edge of a sheet, and that it's near impossible to trim a
sheet of paper right to the edge of a colour - the colour needs to
extend past the crop line, this is called
bleed.
When you bleed the document, i.e., extend any item that is tucked right
against the foredge (the edges opposite the spine), then you need to
extend this object off the page into a "bleed" area.
This allows for human error when trimming the paper, as each sheet is
not trimmed individually (that would take forever!) they are stacked on
top of each other and trimmed in stacks. It would be impossible to stack
all the sheets exactly even, and there is movement on the press, so
compensating for the movement and the fact they can never be stacked
exactly even - for this reason you need objects to extend past the edge
of the page.
The crop marks
tell the guillotine operator where to trim the sheet. Once they have
the measurements in their guillotine machine it's a simple matter of
rinse and repeat with as many stacks of paper there are.
And printers can sometimes fold and trim a print job folding machine,
and since it's a machine and you have to account for mechanical errors
and human error, you need bleed too.
Bleed is important - If you don't add bleed then the object stops at the
foredge of the paper. And if the blade trims/crops close to the object
but misses by a sliver - then you have a sliver of white on the printed
piece, which is highly undesirable.
So you need crop marks
so the printers know where exactly to cut the paper, and to cut into
the bleed so that you don't have slivers of white.
And yes you need crop marks even if you don't have bleed, if you
don't have any bleed it's likely that the edges of the paper are just
white, so there are no markings where to cut to give the correct size
that you want. So crop marks need to be included no matter what.
And the placement of crop marks is important. As I said earlier, crop marks are
for letting the guillotine operator know where to trim the page so that
it cuts into the bleed area. The bleed area to allow for mechanical,
physical and human error. And seen as the bleed can sometimes be
included in a final printed piece it is not desirable to have anything
other than bleed objects in the bleed area.
For this reason you offset your crop marks to be outside the bleed area. As I'm in
Europe I work mainly in millimeters, so I would set my Bleed Area to be 5
mm and I would set my crop marks to Offset by 6mm.
This ensures that the crop marks do not encroach the bleed area. If your crop marks do
encroach the bleed area you run the risk of the crop
marks appearing on a final printed
piece.
So in Summary
Make sure you have bleed where necessary on your document.
Add the desired amount of bleed - in my case 5mm.
Offset the crop marks
so they don't encroach the bleed area - in my case 6mm.

CS4: Arrange Document for Saddle Stitching Feature

I am going to be making a magazine or booklet printed on tabloid and then folded to create a booklet. Is there a feature in InDesign CS4 to make the arrangement quicker and easier? I could manually figure out how to arrange the pages but that seems like unnecessary work.
For future reference I'd also like to know the technical term for this technique of arranging the pages properly for saddle stitch binding so I can google this next time.
Thanks!

No copy shop I ever used accounts for creep. I send a book out now and then to see what the Staples does (There's one about 10 minutes from me).
Most shops use the same stock for their jobs. Almost without exception, I use 20# or 60# offset for inside pages. Occasionally the 80# gloss text job. You'd be surprised how accurate I can be. It's like any job. After years and years you get a pretty good feel. The majority of clients aren't even concerned about creep. Especially if they're supplying me the single pages. I'll adjust creep for jobs I design in house and will be pretty accurate.

Printing a simple saddle stitched comp booklet from a duplexing Xerox 700.

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