CS4: Arrange Document for Saddle Stitching Feature

I am going to be making a magazine or booklet printed on tabloid and then folded to create a booklet. Is there a feature in InDesign CS4 to make the arrangement quicker and easier? I could manually figure out how to arrange the pages but that seems like unnecessary work.
For future reference I'd also like to know the technical term for this technique of arranging the pages properly for saddle stitch binding so I can google this next time.
Thanks!

No copy shop I ever used accounts for creep. I send a book out now and then to see what the Staples does (There's one about 10 minutes from me).
Most shops use the same stock for their jobs. Almost without exception, I use 20# or 60# offset for inside pages. Occasionally the 80# gloss text job. You'd be surprised how accurate I can be. It's like any job. After years and years you get a pretty good feel. The majority of clients aren't even concerned about creep. Especially if they're supplying me the single pages. I'll adjust creep for jobs I design in house and will be pretty accurate.

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Ken and Bob,
The issue is that I am not using an image that bleeds across the covers. I want to have text boxes in ID that bleed across the cover fold. So, it will not work to have the front cover and the back cover be in separate spreads. And since I don't think there's any way to start a document with a left page (ie, a full spread), I figured I would need to use an entirely different page size -- the width of the entire spread instead of half -- and just use a single page doc.
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I have a document built in the first version of Indesign. We have two Macs (OS 10.4.11). My employer purchased a Sharp/COECO brand 6200 color copier/printer (a big boy!).
The #1 criteria for purchasing that equip. was that it had to successfully print our annual president's report. (After Sharp delivered the copier/printer, things went down hill starting with day one. Bad motherboard in machine; got new motherboard. Output quality shifted causing uneven margins on large posters (11x17) went sent directly from the Macintosh and it gets worse.) Long story short, our Sharp folks said it was because we were operating with Indesign 1 that the features for creating a saddle-stitch job appear grayed out (selections are shown, but we could not select them). Just last week we purchased Indesign 4. Installed it. Tried the very same steps as we tried with Indesign 1. Areas to select to create a booklet using saddle-stitch feature are still grayed out.
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Cover Paper (for pages 1 & 20 and 2 & 19) : 80# Futura Laser Dull
Content Paper (for pages 3-18) : 80# Futura Laser Text
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The theory from our copier tech was that we would load the covers into the by-pass tray and those would pull (to be added to the content pages to be saddle stitched) once I sent the pages 3-18 (still in a single page format) from my mac to the new copier/printer. The software from my mac would "talk" to the software on the copier/printer and the copier/printer would know to impose, place my letter-sized pages into printer spreads. Made sense to me.
When we attempted to do all of the above, options that I needed to select for making it into a booklet, saddle-stitched, etc. were grayed out. After countless suggestions (with no solutions ) from our copier tech., they quickly washed their hands of the situation and stated that it was not their product but an issue with our mac. End of story.
We have 700 covers already pre-printed (containing pages 20 & 1, 2 & 19). I need to know if there is anyone out there who might have had a similar issue when trying to create a saddle stitched book, designed in Indesign 1, printed in Indesign 4 on a copier/printer that supposedly can do such as mentioned??If so, i need and appreciate all help, feedback, suggestions, recommendations as soon as possible. This job must be ready by Monday, Nov. 16, 2009.
Our only other option at this time is to set pages 3-18 up as printer spreads, print them on the 80# Futura Dull Text paper (will yield me 4 printer spreads) and pair those with the first printer spread (20 & 1 and 2 & 19), which will then be a total of 5 printer spreads and carry it to a local printer who will graciously collate, fold, and saddle stitch for only $85.
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Daniel,
Thank you SO MUCH for your options and quick reply to my post! I'm nearly at my wits end ... our Command Workstation is also loaded on the only PC in my department. When you said it could be printed using Acrobat, I guess you mean just the plain old, basic Adobe Acrobat that one would use to open PDFs in? I'll give that a try first. If I've misunderstood you, please don't be afraid to correct me .... again, thanks!
Beth Gray
>>> Daniel Flavin <[email protected]> 11/04/09 5:58 PM >>>
Several options come to mind -
The copier engine and RIP are in charge of the imposition and duplexing from your single page file and should be available from any program ie: Word, Open Office, Acrobat. Could you print a 8 page file from any other program and have the features available?
Your support points the finger at the MAC drivers; do you have a PC in the facility to check the imposition and duplexing ability?
The job could be printed from Acrobat as easily as from InDesign if drivers are to blame.
Is the Sharp accesible/driven by a stand alone program ie: Command Workstation? You would be able to spool the page file and make the options from there.
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I'd like to make two flyers on one 8.5 x 11 size of paper.
I have made the flyer 5.5x8.5.
I put a .125 bleed alllll around so the size is actually 5.75x8.75 of the flyers.
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>
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