Producer/ Consumer Design error?

I am learning labview as I go and little errors keep stumping me. I set up the producer/consumer design and it reads the two while loops like I want. However, when I stop the program to save it to the write to measure it gives me an error saying invalid input and highlights the dequeue. I have to queues running (one for a button and one for data) and they both do this. I tried connecting it different ways but its always the same error. Any ideas?
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Producer/Consumer Design Pattern with Classes

I'm starting a new project which involves acquiring data from various pieces of equipment using a GPIB port. I thought this would be a good time to start using Classes. I created a GPIB class which contains member data of: Address, Open State, Error; with member vis such as Set Address, Get Address, Open, Close...general actions that all GPIB devices need to do. I then created a child class for a specific instrument (Agilent N1912 Power Meter for this example) which inherits from the GPIB class but also adds member data such as Channel A power and Channel B power and the associated Member Functions to obtain the data from the hardware. This went fine and I created a Test vi for verfication utilizing a typical Event Structure architecture.
However, in other applications (without classes) I typically use the Producer/Consumer Design Pattern with Event Structure so that the main loop is not delayed by any hardware interaction. My queue data is a cluster of an "action" enum and a variant to pass data. Is it OK to use this pattern with classes? I created a vi and it works fine and attached is a png (of 1 case) of it.
Are there any problems doing it this way?
Jason

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I'm starting a new project which involves acquiring data from various pieces of equipment using a GPIB port. I thought this would be a good time to start using Classes. I created a GPIB class which contains member data of: Address, Open State, Error; with member vis such as Set Address, Get Address, Open, Close...general actions that all GPIB devices need to do. I then created a child class for a specific instrument (Agilent N1912 Power Meter for this example) which inherits from the GPIB class but also adds member data such as Channel A power and Channel B power and the associated Member Functions to obtain the data from the hardware. This went fine and I created a Test vi for verfication utilizing a typical Event Structure architecture.
However, in other applications (without classes) I typically use the Producer/Consumer Design Pattern with Event Structure so that the main loop is not delayed by any hardware interaction. My queue data is a cluster of an "action" enum and a variant to pass data. Is it OK to use this pattern with classes? I created a vi and it works fine and attached is a png (of 1 case) of it.
Are there any problems doing it this way?
Including the error cluster as part of the private data is something I have never seen done and ... well I'll have to think about that one.
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Producer/Consumer Design Pattern + DAQmx + Event Structure

Dear community users,
at the moment I try to implement the Producer/Consumer Design Pattern into my current project. For this purpose I am trying to make a "minimal-example" in which I use the Producer/Consumer Design Pattern for the data acquisition and analysis (display in GraphXY, calculation etc..) process. In the Producer Loop I perform the data readings via DAQmxRead.VI and in the Consumer Loop, in this example only, I display the data in a GraphXY. At the same time I want to control the data acquisition via an Event Structure, for example Start Measurement/Stop Measurement Buttons. To configure the measurement time, for example if the user only wants to measure 150 sec, I use the Time Out Event of the Event Structure. This is a technique which is often used, when data acquisition and Event Structures are used at the same time (Excuse me if this is wrong!). Due to understand the Producer/Consumer Design Pattern I looked up in the Template\Framework of LabVIEW.
In the attachment you will find my "minimal-example", which -sadly-, not working. What should I do ?
Thank you.
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Your VI will never stop due to the Ok Button that stops the producer loop is read OUTSIDE of the loop. Add an event case for it.
Move the Start and the Ok Button inside of their respective event cases. This will allow the latch to reset when they are read.
Change the Ok Button to a stop button.
Use a Greater Or Equal instead of Equal for the measurement time comparison. What if somebody randomly changes it to 0 on you? Again, you will never stop.
Is the DAQ only supposed to read for "Measurement Time". Right now, it constantly reads. So if you don't use the DAQmx Read, you will get a buffer overflow error. You need to put the DAQmx Start Task inside of the Start event case and then the Stop DAQmx Task inside of the Timeout event case when the measurement time is exceeded. You should also perform the read regardless inside of the Timeout event case.
I HATE telling the consumer loop to stop by destroying the queue. You can look data that way. Instead, send something an empty array. In the consumer, check for an empty array. If it is empty, stop. Destroy the queue only AFTER BOTH LOOPS HAVE COMPLETED.
You should also report your errors in some way. Simple Error Handler at the minimum.
Since you are using Continous Samples, don't limit the buffer. Leave the Samples per Channel unwired on the DAQmx Timing VI.
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Producer consumer design pattern

Hello,
I am trying to build a simple program that does the following:
1. when program starts, the indicator is initialized to -999
2. when Measure button is clicked, the indicator shows random number continuously.
3. when Save button is clicked, the indicator shows 1
I use the event-based producer-consumer design pattern and it works great. However, I cannot find a way to allow the CONTINUOUSLY generating of random number when Measure is clicked. Can someone shed a light on it? Thanks a lot for the help.
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One simple way to do it is to use the Timeout event case. You can modify the timeout value based on what events have occurred. See attached mod.
Not saying this is the best way. Kind of depends on where the program goes from here.
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Could Buffer replace the Queue in Producer/Consumer Design Pattern

Hello,
I have a question that the task of Buffer is to store the data and the queue is also of the same so could we use the Buffer inplace of queue in a Producer/Consumer Design Pattern.
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No, those buffer examples are not nearly equal to a queue and will never ever "replace" queues in producer/consumer.
The most important advantage of queues for producer/consumer (which none of the other buffer mechanics share) is that it works eventbased to notify the reader that data is available. So if you would simply replace the queue by overly elaborate buffer mechanics as you attached to your last post, you will lose a great deal of the the purpose using producer/consumer.
So, to compare both mechanics:
- Queue works eventbased, whereas the buffer example does not.
- Queue has to allocate memory during runtime if more elements are written to the queue than dequeued. This is also true for the buffer (it has to be resized).
- Since the buffer is effectively simply an array with overhead, memory management is getting slow and messy with increasing memory fragmentation. Queues perform way better here (but have their limits there too).
- The overhead for the buffer (array handling) has to be implemented manually. Queue functions encapsulate all necessary functionality you will ever need. So queues do have a simple API, whereas the buffer has not.
- Since the buffer is simply an array, you will have a hard time sharing the content in two parallel running loops. You will need to either implement additional overhead using data value references to manage the buffer or waste lots of memory by using mechanics like variables. In addition to wasting memory, you will presumably run into race conditions so do not even think about this.
So this leads to four '+' for the queue and only one point where "buffer" equals the queue.
i hope, this clears things up a bit.
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State Machine and producer consumer design patterns

Hi!
In my application I am using state machine(for top level VI) and producer consumer(for subVIs) design patterns throught out.
If there is no activity on the front panel for 1min then the ideal state is invoked. Following are the situation of the ideal state:
1. It checks for any hardware present on the network . If no hardware is found on the network within 1 min then the application and LabVIEW exits.
2. While the ideal state checks for the hardware, and user clicks on any front panel button then it should exit the ideal state. The control
should be in the respective button state.
I am able to achive the point#1 mentioned above but could not get the point #2 to work. I am including the snap shot of
the state machine(default case) and prouducer consumer(deafualt state).
Each screen has the concept of the ideal state. The only additional step in the subVIs is that when the ideal state is reached and the time has expired then it will close the subVIfront panel.It will go to the exit state of the Main(top level) VI. Thus closing the application and quitting LabVIEW.
Any ideas or suggestions. Will multithreading and notifiers help?
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Rachana
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Hi Rachana,
I was thinking about using event structures wherein there would an event case that would handle any value change event for any of the buttons on the front panel. But before suggesting that, I would need to know more about the Ideal State subvi( more specifically, how is it checking for any hardware present on the network and where is the one minute wait coming from?).
Please feel free to respond to this post with your questions/comments.
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Register event in producer consumer design pattern

Hello wire workers,
I am fairly green when it comes to dynamic event registration, so my understanding of it is probably quite flawed, but what I have implemented seems to work fine.
Assuming a fairly typical queued producer/consumer state machine architecture.
Up till now, I have done the dynamic event registration outside (i.e. to the left of) the UI loop, so all events get registered before the UI loop starts to run.
My question is:
How can I register events from inside one of the consumer loops? I cannot wire it...
Maybe an example will make my scenario more clear.
I have a DAQ loop (queued state machine). In the init state of this loop I want to register a digital input such that changes on a line are handled by my main event structure (in the totally separate UI loop). Is this possible?
I look forward to hearing positive answers
nrp
CLA

The best way to send data from the Consumer Loop to the Producer Loop is through User Events. What you will want to do is create a User Event whose data type is the registered DAQmx event refnum. Then when you register the DAQmx event in the Consumer Loop, fire the User Event with that new refnum and update the registration in the Producer Loop. That's probably hard to wrap your head around in words, so I'll attach a dummy example and pic below. Hope this helps!
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First attempt at Producer Consumer Architecture: continuous read and dynamically update parameters.

Hello,
I am currently working with two instruments; an Agilent E3646A and an NI 6212 BNC. My objective is to have the 6212 to be continuously taking measurements according to predefined parameters while the E3646A's parameters can be continuously updated. This simple instrument combination is intended to help me learn the necessarry achitecture; continuous measurement, dynamic output control, and more instruments will be added in the future.
I've previously posted on a similar, but more complicated, setup (http://forums.ni.com/t5/Instrument-Control-GPIB-Serial/Split-second-lag-when-controlling-two-instrum... and was advised to try the Producer Consumer Architecture. I've found relevant literature on the site (http://www.ni.com/white-paper/3023/en/, https://decibel.ni.com/content/docs/DOC-2431), searched the forums and constructed my own VI. While my first attempt at a Producer Consumer Architecture has resolved some of the issues I was having when I first posted on the subject, however, new issues have arisen with regard to reading and stopping the VI.
I am currently able to run the VI and update the device parameters. Previously, I would get a freeze while the instrument was being updated and could not toggle parameters until it was done. This has been resolved although the read only updates when a parameter has been updated although it is outside of the event structure. Furthermore the Stop button does not work in any context. I've also gotten occasional errors regarding the Deqeue Element but the bulk of the trouble is Error -200279 "Attempted to read samples that are no longer available" at DAQmx Read. I realize that there is a problem in my Producer Loop but haven't been able to figure out how to resolve it.
This is my first attempt at a Producer Consumer Architecture and already I can see that it is a powerful tool. I read as much as I could and looked at the relevant examples but expected to have some issues in the beginning. Would really appreciate any advice so I can take full advantage of the architecture.
Hope to hear from you,
Yusif Nurizade
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Jon,
Thank you for the response and the suggestions.
I created the Local Variable for the Stop Button and moved the original into its own Event Case. It is now able to stop VI execution although I get Warning -1073676294 which I understand to be the buffer issue. The warning says that this was incurred on VISA Open for the E3646A's Initialize VI which is outside both loops, however, which I don't understand.
I tried increasing buffer size by decreasing the Number of Samples as per suggestions I found on NI forum threads. I've brought it down as low as 1 but the graph still only updates when an Event occurs and I keep getting the same buffer error. You suggested that the problem could be that they are in the same loop; does this mean that the DAQmx read should be outside both Producer and Consumer Loops or moved into the Consumer Loop? I found a couple of links ( http://forums.ni.com/t5/LabVIEW/Producer-Consumer-Design-Pattern-DAQmx-Event-Structure/td-p/2744450 , http://forums.ni.com/t5/LabVIEW/Producer-Consumer-Architecture/td-p/494883 -first response) on dealing with an Event Structure that my own VI is based. Alternatively, I found another link ( http://forums.ni.com/t5/LabVIEW/Producer-Consumer-Design-Pattern-DAQmx-Event-Structure/td-p/2744450 - first response) on a DAQmx Read with an Event Structure that places the graph in the Consumer Loop.
The core of my purpose in setting up this Producer Consumer Architecture is so that I could read continuously while the instrument parameters are updated dynamically so it's very important that I understand how this works. I am particularly struggling with how the Event Structure is controlling the While Loop's Execution.
Hope to hear form you,
Yusif Nurizade
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Time Stamps in Producer/Consumer Setup

I am trying to acquire signal from a Gas Analyzer, Flow Meter, and 3 RTDs. My hardware is a NI 9215 and NI 9217. I need to write the data to a file with a time stamp at which the sample was read. The program is written in a producer/consumer setup in which the data is being acquired in the prodcuer loop and sent to the consumer loop to be written. I can get the samples written to the file okay. However, I have not figured out how to put the time stamp in the data file correctly. I thought the time stamp was created with the corressponding measurement at the Data Acquisition VI. However, whenever I open the data file, there are only 0s in the time column. So, I've tried to use Format/Date String to add the time stamp. I can get it to work if I place it in the consumer loop. However, the time stamp is not accurate. It puts the same time stamp up to six digits of precision for two consecutive samples. I've tried to figure out how to add it to the producer loop, but I don't know how to add it and the measurements to the queue at the same time. Please tell me the best way to acquire signals with the exact time stamp and write them to a file using a producer/consumer design.
Example:
Date             Time       RTD1 RTD2      RTD3   CO2    Flow
5/26/07      5:20:01.25       57         56         56.5      100       0.5
5/26/07      5:20:01.30       57         56         56.5      100       0.5
5/26/07      5:20:01.35       57         56         56.5      100       0.5
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Okay, I've put it in a For Loop and it will connect now. However, whenever it runs the time stamp increments for a couple seconds and then it just repeats. How do I correct this?
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QSM (Producer/Consumer) Template

Hello everyone. Before I start with my project (instrument control and data acquisition) I made a template using the JKI State machine template and converted to queued based state machine with producer/consumer loop. Basically, I wanted to separate the processing i.e.. data acquisition etc. from any front panel activity i.e. button press etc. Since I've worked with JKI template quite a lot, I'm used to the idea of string based queues and the layout of the template itself, so I just modified it to better suit my needs.
I checked the JKI Producer/Consumer design at: http://forums.jki.net/topic/1347-jki-state-machine-producer-consumer-loop/, but it wasn't quite what I wanted since if my hardware (i.e. motor) reaches a certain limit (safety issue) I have to terminate the process (easily accomplished with the above example), however, if user decides to intervene (HARD STOP), then the process wouldn't terminate on the second loop.
Anyway, above is just an idea of what I'm in to and attached is a template I decided to do with QSM Producer Consumer style.
I would appreciate any comments/improvements that you might be able to do in this template.
Thanks
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Thanks anyway.
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Producer consumer "clean up diagram" puts consumer on top of producer

I do File > New... > VI > From Template > Frameworks > Design Patterns > Producer/Consumer Design Pattern (Events)
Then without doing anything to the block diagram or front panel, I click on the "clean up diagram" which does the auto block diagram cleanup. Bam! Consumer loop is put on top of Producer.
I tried a bunch of combinations of the Block Diagram options settings (wire spacing, move controls left, etc.) , but the "clean up diagram" always wants to put consumer loop on top of the producer loop. How can I get labview to maintain the original loop positions?

There is a reason a lot of use do not like to use the Block Diagram Cleanup. It generally works for simple VIs. But I would not use it on my top level architecture.
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Running one sub vi in background while the main vi uses it's generated data, producer/consumer?

Hi,
I would like to have a subrutine running at the same time as the rest of the main vi. The subrutine will be constantly producing data, and the main rutine should do different tasks depending on which data has generated the subrutine in that instant. I have read about producer/consumer design http://zone.ni.com/devzone/cda/tut/p/id/3023 but I don't know how to implement this with LV 5.1 Somebody know if it's possible, or there is something missing in my old LV version? The name of the sub vi about queues mentioned in the link are different than the one I have, and I don't achieve to connect correctly the ones I have... (that are create queue, destroy queue, insert element queue and remove element queue).
Or, does anybody know other way to do what i want?
Please, some help..
Thanks a lot.

Hi javivi,
The queues in 5.1 are capable of supporting the producer-consumer model. See the queue example under "Execution Control Examples". It's showing a simple string value being "inserted" and "removed". To insert non-string data-types, use "Flatten to String" before "Insert Queue Element" then "Unflatten from String" after "Remove Queue Element".
What "different tasks" will you do based on the data? How is the data being read by the program - are you reading an analog-input? Is it a "continuous" acquisition?
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Producer consumer error 200279

Hello,
So I’m about to go crazy and hoping someone can help me here. I’m writing a program that controls a motor and using a producer/consumer method to write the data at 10,000 intervals a second. I’ve read through multiple examples and I don’t see what I’m missing. I’m trying to record 18 different readings from a DAQ 9178, 3 readings for voltage module NI 9205, 1 reading for current module Ni 9203, 2 readings for accelerometer module Ni 9234 and 12 readings for temperature module 9213. Every time I run the program I keep getting the error message 200279 and it states that it’s trying to read samples that no longer exist. It advised me to increase the buffer rate. So I did as it suggested in multiple ways and the error messages keeps showing up. I’ve also shut down the computer, exited and restarted Labview several times and none of this worked. I have included the a picture file below. Where the problem is, is in the producer loop and the error is shown coming out of the DAQ error indicator. One idea I had but I’m unsure how to approach it is to somehow mean the data coming out of the DAQ to reduce what’s getting to the buffer. If anyone knows how to fix this problem please explain it in detail (I mean talk to me like I’m stupid) cause I’ve been stuck on this problem for almost two weeks now. Thank you in advance to anyone who can help.
SteelTiki
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The DAQ error isn't related to your choice of architecture, although your implementation of it might be hurting you. It's almost impossible to follow what's going on in your diagram because you have wires running in many directions (try to keep data flowing from left to right), there are local variables all over the place (almost definitely not needed), and there's a lot of code that's not in the image or is hidden in another frame of the sequence. Normally one would not have the event structure as the consumer loop (as you've done), and it's generally not a good idea to have multiple event structure in the same VI (with rare exceptions usually involving user events). It might not solve your problem but it would be worth taking the time to clean up your diagram. Eliminate sequence structures and local variables as much as possible, move some code into subVIs, and straighten out your wires.
As for the DAQ error: the DAQ board is reading data into a circular buffer, and you're not reading it fast enough, so samples are being overwritten. The reason you're not reading it fast enough is because you only read a single sample at a time (the DAQmx Read is configured for 1 sample on multiple channels) but you say you're acquiring 10,000 samples/second. Since your loop won't run 10,000 times per second, you're not reading all the data, which causes the error. Try configuring the DAQmx Read for multiple samples.

Input and output on same device, producer/consumer structure

Hello interested people,
I have a question about using the same device for both digital inputs
and outputs. I have written a simple program of one while loop
that continuously polls the device, processes, and requests. I
have addressed the device using two DAQmx Asst. and I have attached
them with their error in/out cluster terminals to provide data flow and
eliminate the chance of addressing the devices at the same time (which
produces an error). Now I want to change this program structure
to a producer/consumer loop foundation with state machine.
In this design, I will have the DI in the producer loop and the DO in
the consumer loop, under one of the states. I can't simply
connect the error in/out ports in this configuration, so my question is
how to avoid the error caused by addressing the same device
simultaneously with two different tasks (input and output)? I
have attached two VI's, the "One Loop" vi is the original configuration
(simplified), and the Producer-Consumer vi is a NONSENSICAL program
that simply represents the desired configuration. (I don't need
any comments on the programming of this vi, it is only an example for
illustration of the problem).
I am thinking about bundling the input data and the error cluster, both
from the PXI 6528 DI, into one cluster, queueing that up, and
unbundling the de-queued elements for some kind of data flow between
the producer loop and the "Request" state of the consumer loop.
Is this the right approach, or am I barking up the wrong tree?
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Hello,
It sounds to me like you really have two modes:
1. user interface actions determine execution
2. user interface is locked, and execution is automated.
I think it would make sense to use the producer consumer for an architecture. Basically you would do the following:
1. program the producer to handle the user interface as you normally would.
2. provide one additional event case in the producer which would be your "automated handling" case. In that case, you could put a state machine which could run until whatever conditions were met to put your program back in "user interface mode".
Keep in mind that you can use custom USER EVENTS to programmatically generate events ie. you can trigger the start of your "automated handling" form anywhere in your code at virtually any time.
I think this would allow you to take advantage of the producer consumer architecture in its intended spirit, while integrating an automated routine.
I hope this helps!
Best Regards,
JLS
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Producer/Consumer Architecture

Hello All,
I am currently working on an application using State Machine Architecture where I have to monitor various parameters (7 temperature values & 3 pressure values), along with this I have to On/Off a Clutch using a digital Output for set time (e.g. On for "X" seconds OFF for "Y" seconds), but as soon as the pressure and temperature values go beyond upper or lower limits or whenever the user presses the Emergency Stop (that means I have to monitor Digital Input as well) so I am moving to different error cases depending on which values go beyond limits or emregency pressed etc..
But this realisation is not working fine as I have to monitor and control several other things in addition to acquiring data....till now I just have used State Machine Architecture, I have seen Producer/Consumer Template but not quite sure how to realise such kind of application which involves data acquisition along with user interaction and monitoring.
Could someone please put some light on giving similar kind of example or what else I can try with this problem.
Regards
James

Hello James,
A Producer/Consumer architecture will certainly do the trick for you. I am sending you an example that has the Data Acquisition section in the producer loop. However, you can also put your User Interface in the Producer loop and have the Data Acquisition in the Consumer loop. The Queues are used for sending data from the Producer to the Consumer(s) loop(s) (you can have multiple comsumer loops).
You will just have to design specific cases to react to different user inputs.
By the way, this example is from LabVIEW Basics II training course. If you have never taken LabVIEW Basics I and II, I highly recommend them. You can self-pace the class or take it with an instructor.
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Hope this helps!
Message Edited by Kalin T on 03-23-2007 09:57 AM
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