Production Order : Split of variance in COPA
Hi,
I am testing the variance flow to COPA in production order settlement scenario..
Below is the cost trend of the production order.
Below is the resulting copa document whic is generated from settlement
Below are the cost element and value field assignments.(in PA transfer structure configuration)
I want to know, how the variance split happened in the COPA document. Because in cost trend , the entire variance is during GI stage.
SO this pertains to the GL account 50000 , as seen in the cost trend. How did the system split the amount in COPA document
Regards
SR
Dear Rajan,
Please find the following Link:
Transferring Production Variances:
Transferring Production Variances - Profitability Analysis (COPA) - SAP Library
Regards,
Pavan Kumar Arvapally
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> Thanks for any help you may be able to provide.
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http://help.sap.com/erp2005_ehp_04/helpdata/EN/95/21a524ec9c40c8840f7cef07d3ef32/frameset.htm
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As of now the 1st scenario is no more an issue. The business process is modified to fix the problem.
Now my main problem is the 2nd scenario which I will explain better here.
In our scenario MTO items when placed in a Sales Order triggers a Production Order.
This Production Order needs to be confirmed for each operation & at the final step the MTO item is pushed into the inventory.
The Production BOM & the operation overview for the MTO item is as shown below:
E.g.
Operation Overview:
Operation Work center Control key
0010 Prod PP01
0020 Pack PP01
0070 Confirm PP03
Routing:
Item Material QTY Unit Operation
0010 ABC 100 G 0010
0020 XYZ 10 G 0020
Now as shown above, the business users who produce the MTO item will confirm operation 10 & consume raw material ABC at the Work Center = Prod.
Then at the Work Center = Pack, the packaging material is used & operation 20 is confirmed.
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Before it is receipted at the Confirm work center, a user monitors the quality of this produced item. If it is good only then it is receipted in the inventory.
Now depending on when the Sales Order is fulfilled, this MTO item will be shipped.
Issue:
Now when the MTO item produced passes thru the high level quality check, it gets receipted in the inventory at operation 70.
However in a case where the some or all the qty of the MTO item ordered doesn't pass the quality check, they will be scrapped physically.
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I dont know if this can be achieved by receipting the 1 EA as REWORK on the CO11n screen at operation 70.
Also I am not sure if Production Order Split case would work in this case.
I would need some input from all the PP gurus. Any solution which be close to what functionality is needed will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Vin
Edited by: vinit parkar on Mar 3, 2010 5:04 PM -
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