PSE 9 Organizer keyword filter question

I have been using PSE 9 for more than a year, but just recently I decided to start using the Organizer too. I have read the manual, but I am still having a bit of difficulty with filtering using keywords so I think I am probably doing something wrong. For example, let's say I have photos that have tags for the state they were taken in: Florida, California, Texas, etc. Also, some photos have the tag Birds. So, I want to find all the bird photos I have taken in Florida. In the Keyword Tags panel if I select Florida and Birds it doesn't show me all the photos of birds in Florida, but instead shows me all the bird photos from anywhere AND all the photos taken in Florida. I guess it is doing OR when what I want is AND. In the Find Details (Metadata) window it allows you to choose AND or OR for metadata searches so clearly Adobe understands the concept and distinction. Therefore, I am pretty sure that I have just not discovered where in Organizer I tell it to use AND instead of OR when doing keyword searches. Can someone help me? Thank you very much!

Ken, thanks again for your help. I am glad that there is a way to do what I want even if it is somewhat more work than the nice Keyword Tags panel. Still, most of the time the Keyword Tags panel filtering will be what I want so I won't have to type keywords all the time when I search.
If Adobe developers and Adobe managers see this thread I would like to suggest something:
In the Keyword Tags panel add a small control (maybe just something you click on to change from the default OR to AND or a pulldown menu to select AND or OR) that says to use AND or OR for the keyword search. Yes, I know that there are lots of other more complicated combinations that some may want to use (and those can be used in the search field as Ken says) but just having a simple of choice of AND or OR for all the keywords would satisfy 99% of the searches, I think. The current behavior where you use OR if there are photos that meet that search criteria, but then change to AND when there aren't any is strange, but I realize you have been doing it for some time and some longtime users probably expect it now. Use of the new, small control might allow the typically more expected behavior of showing you when there are no photos that meet the search criteria you created. It is confusing to silently change from OR to AND and give results when none are expected.

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PSE 9 Organizer Keyword tags

I have just upgraded from PSE8 to 9.
In the organizer I cannot display the keyword tag icons beneath individual images.
I tried Edit Preferences Keyword Tag and Albums - Keyword Tag display - and chose the display with the photo icon. This changes the display in the Keyword Tag listing box but not beneath the individual images. The tags are all being displayed the same and the only way to distinguish them is by running the mouse over them. Is there a way of getting the PSE8 type of display?

Back to the original question, after thinking about this for a couple days I have had two ideas for workarounds:
1) Copy my tag names into the photo metadata and create a new catalog to bring all of my images into. This will allow me to keep all of my existing tags, and it MIGHT solve the tag display problem based on a test with a couple images in a new catalog. The downsides to this are a) permanently writes my tags into the photo metadata which will be bad if I decide to change something later, b) loses all version sets, and c) loses all albums (although I don't have that many). I found instructions for this workaround at http://www.johnrellis.com/psedbtool/photoshop-elements-faq.htm#_Merging_Catalogs.
2) Live with the lack of color tag display in Organizer, and use reverse searches to find missing tag categories. For example, if I want to find all photos that do not have a "Places" tag, I check the box next to the "Places" category (which also selects all sub-categories and tags below this). Then I go to the Options drop-down in the Find Bar and "Hide best match results" and "Show results that do not match". This gives me every image in my catalog that does not have a tag from the "Places" category, so I can go through and tag these as appropriate.
I would have gone with #1 if it weren't for the permanence of the keywords. I guess I have a commitment problem (or I just haven't got my tag hierarchy figured out yet). Instead, I am going with #2 which should give me most of what I need for now. I will still hold out some small glimmer of hope that Adobe manages a fix for this issue down the road.

PSE 9 Organizer Error Adding Keyword Tags and Other Woes

Hello, everyone. I am having a ton of problems with PSE 9 Organizer. The most frustrating and biggest problem is that I believe my catalog has been corrupted beyond repair. I spent all of yesterday tagging my photos. I had no problems and everything seemed to be going well until all of the sudden, the organizer suddenly froze up. I had to use the Windows task manager just to get it to close. This happened several times. Finally, the organizer locked up my computer and I had to restart. I opened the catalog and didn't seem to have any problems at that point. I was able to view all of the images, video files etc. I was even able to open the editor from the organizer. When I tried to add a tag to a photo it gave me an error. All it said was "error adding keyword tag" then nothing. I tried to delete the photo and all it said was "error deleting photo". This "error" shows up any time I try to make any changes to all of the images. I can't add any new photos, can't delete, or add tags. I have repaired the catalog several times. It found errors the first time, but evidently that didn't fix my problem. I also optimized and deleted my thumbnail cache to see if that was the issue. Still nothing. I have other catalogs and they work fine, so it is something to do with this particular catalog. Any suggestions on what to do next? Can I move the pictures to a new catalog without losing the tags? And no, I didn't write the tags to the images because I wasn't done tagging. Besides, PSE doesn't always write the tags correctly, as you probably know. Next problem. When I first open PSE and select the organizer, it doesn't alway open. I can see it on my taskbar (Windows 7 64 bit), but I can't get the window to maximize. I have to close and open several times to get the window to open. Sometimes it randomly jumps to my second monitor like it can't decide where to go. Very frustrating. I would appreciate any suggestions about what to do. Thanks.

Back to the original question, after thinking about this for a couple days I have had two ideas for workarounds:
1) Copy my tag names into the photo metadata and create a new catalog to bring all of my images into. This will allow me to keep all of my existing tags, and it MIGHT solve the tag display problem based on a test with a couple images in a new catalog. The downsides to this are a) permanently writes my tags into the photo metadata which will be bad if I decide to change something later, b) loses all version sets, and c) loses all albums (although I don't have that many). I found instructions for this workaround at http://www.johnrellis.com/psedbtool/photoshop-elements-faq.htm#_Merging_Catalogs.
2) Live with the lack of color tag display in Organizer, and use reverse searches to find missing tag categories. For example, if I want to find all photos that do not have a "Places" tag, I check the box next to the "Places" category (which also selects all sub-categories and tags below this). Then I go to the Options drop-down in the Find Bar and "Hide best match results" and "Show results that do not match". This gives me every image in my catalog that does not have a tag from the "Places" category, so I can go through and tag these as appropriate.
I would have gone with #1 if it weren't for the permanence of the keywords. I guess I have a commitment problem (or I just haven't got my tag hierarchy figured out yet). Instead, I am going with #2 which should give me most of what I need for now. I will still hold out some small glimmer of hope that Adobe manages a fix for this issue down the road.

Questions that pertain ONLY to PSE 9 and/or PSE 9 Organize?

Is there a way to populate questions in this forum that pertain ONLY to PSE 9 and/or PSE 9 Organize?

Barbara and Ken, thanks much for the update and the suggestions. I get the gist of the situation and will proceed with that in mind. I'll be back if/when I have specific questions. I'm about 8,000 images into organizing about 20,000 currently and am still in the learning stage. I'm about to try Adobe's synchronization offer (I have a main, an office, and laptop computer) and I'm very anxious about just jumping into the unknown - meaning I've never done this before. Just trying to get a feel for what others might have done wrong previously. Thanks to both of you. jannterr.

PSE 13 "Import Keyword Tags From File" Fails

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Thanks in advance.

is there a way to import tags from PSE 12
The PSE 12 Organizer and LR 5 use different file formats for exporting and importing keyword hierarchies. PSE uses XML format, while LR 5 uses a tab-separated format. If you're a programmer or technically minded, you could convert from one to the other using your favorite scripting language.
But the approach suggested by dj_paige can be modified to accomplish what you want without scripting, by copying the keyword hierarchy from the "upgraded" LR catalog that was created from your PSE catalog to your "good" LR catalog:
1. Make a manual backup of your "good" LR catalog: Lightroom Help | Back up a catalog.
2. In LR, open the catalog that you created previously by upgrading (converting) the PSE catalog -- you can usually get to that catalog by doing File > Open Recent.
3. Go to grid view in the Library by doing Window > Library followed by View > Grid (usually you're already in Library grid view, but just in case...)
4. Make sure the Keyword List panel is showing on the right by doing Window > Panels > Keyword List.
5. You should see the keyword hierarchy from your PSE catalog. If you don't, stop and post a screen shot of the entire LR screen.
6. Do Metadata > Export Keywords to export those keywords as a LR-format text file.
7. Open your "good" LR catalog by doing File > Open Recent.
8. Do Metadata > Import Keywords and select the file you exported in step 6.
9. All the keywords that were exported in step 6 will be added to the current catalog, and there will be duplicate keywords if there were already keywords of the same name in the catalog. Those new keywords will not be attached to any existing photos in the current catalog.

PSE 10 organizer displays SAMSUNG CAMERA PICTURES title for every imported image.   How to eliminate?

PSE 10 organizer now displays SAMSUNG CAMERA PICTURES as the title for every imported image. This is very annoying.   How to I prevent PSE from assigning this attribute to the title metadata upon import?   I have thousands of photos, and going through each one to delete the title isn't really an option.   Has anyone encountered this type of behavoir?
Windows 7 pro, if that matters.
Thanks,
--Hoggie

hog_2002 a écrit:
PSE 10 organizer now displays SAMSUNG CAMERA PICTURES as the title for every imported image. This is very annoying.   How to I prevent PSE from assigning this attribute to the title metadata upon import?   I have thousands of photos, and going through each one to delete the title isn't really an option.   Has anyone encountered this type of behavoir?
Windows 7 pro, if that matters.
Thanks,
--Hoggie
It's an old behaviour from some camera manufacturers (also Olympus...) which write their brand name in the exif field reserved to captions:
Photoshop Elements 6/7/8 Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)

PSE 5 organizer converted to LR

Although there has been discussion about this, I can't find an answer.
I am a pse 5 user and am thinking about buying lr. Can I convert my organizer to the LR organizer with minimal hassle?
Am I better off keeping the pse5 organizer or better off using the lr organizer?
Is there a simple answer for these questions?
Andy

I'd put it this way - Lr is designed to tightly integrate the library into the other modules. If you are using PSE as an organizer, you're *still* going to be importing images into Lr and dealing with the Library module to some extent.
Reversing it, if you organize in Lr, you can still use PSE as an editor but avoid PSE's organizer altogether. You'll get the full benefit of Virtual Copies as well. All of this would, at least, provide a cleaner workflow. Unless there is a PSE Organizer feature that is so compelling you'd have to have it, therefore I'd suggest using Lr as your organizer.
But it's your call, so it may be best to spend a few days trying it both ways and figuring out your preference before getting into major work with Lr.

PSE 8 Organizer take 60+ seconds per task

Most everything I do in the PSE 8 Organizer seems to take 60+ seconds to complete.
When I move a tag from one sub-category to another, 60+ seconds.
When I delete a picture from the catalog, 60+ seconds.
When I add a new face tag in a photo, 60+ seconds.
It doesn't seem to matter if I have 940 photos or 140 photos in the catalog.
What is PSE looking for with each task it does?
The only error indication I get is a 'dunk' sound when the Organizer starts up,
(like the sound you get when you click on something you shouldn't click on),
but no error dialog or warning shows up.
Any ideas?
Below is my system info.
System Info for Lenovo T61 laptop with Intel Core 2 Duo 2.2 Ghz
Elements Organizer 8.0.0.0
Core Version: 8.0 (20090905.r.605812)
Language Version: 8.0 (20090905.r.605812)
Current Catalog:
Catalog Name: HBIC
Catalog Location: C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Adobe\PSE 8 Catalogs\HBIC\
Catalog Size: 818KB
Catalog Cache Size: 4.8MB
System:
Operating System Name: XP
Operating System Version: 5.1 Service Pack 3
System Architecture: Intel CPU Family:6 Model:15 Stepping:10 with MMX, SSE Integer, SSE FP
Built-in Memory: 2GB
Free Memory: 1GB
Important Drivers / Plug-ins / Libraries:
Microsoft DirectX Version: 9.0
Apple QuickTime Version: 7.64
Adobe Reader Version: 9.1
Adobe Acrobat Version: Not installed
CD and DVD drives:
D: (Optiarc DVD BUS: 1 ID: 1 Firmware: RW)
Thanks.
Keith Wetzel

John, I have a total of seven people tags and thanks for the advice. It's not a keyword tag issue.
But, hallelujah, I have found the problem! It's the 'Folder Location View'. Stay out of it! It turns a face tagging from a half second task to a 65 second task. It appears that, when in the Folder Location View, after you complete a task like face tagging PSE will then go off and re-read (for 65 seconds) all your Windows folders and regenerate the folder view. When you switch to the Thumbnail View and do the face tag then PSE comes right back immediately. I was able to recreate this scenario several times. Each task I did in Folder Location View took 65 seconds or more. The same task in Thumbnail View takes half a second tops.

Suggestions for PSE 11 Organizer

Greetings from a new member. Not sure how to post some usability suggestions for PSE 11 Organizer, but here goes... I realize others have already posted similar comments, which triggered further discussions. However, my intent is just to bring these simple, but to me important, suggestions to the attention of the developers of PSE 11.
I have used PSE on Windows XP starting with PSE 4, then PSE 7, and very recently PSE 11. Earlier this year, I switched to a Mac OS X system and transferred my photos and PSE 11 catalog to PSE 11 on the Mac. I followed the backup/restore instructions on the PSE support site and am mostly quite happy with the results. However, I’m disappointed that the following usability features of PSE 7 organizer are missing in PSE 11 organizer (on both Windows and OS X). Note that I plan to use PSE on OS X exclusively from now on.
In PSE 7, when right clicking on one or more selected photos, the popup menu listed “View photos in full screen”, but it no longer does so in PSE 11. Although Full Screen is available on the View menu, having it on the popup would be even more useful.
In both PSE 7 and PSE 11, that same right-click popup menu lets you REMOVE selected photos from an album. It would be great if the popup menu would also let you ADD selected photos to an existing album.
In PSE 7, I could display the album list simultaneously with folder hierarchy/tree view (there was no folder list view in PSE 7). In PSE 11, the album list is visible only with folder list view. This makes it impossible to drag photos to an album from folder hierarchy view. Please fix PSE to display the album list simultaneously with folder hierarchy view.
I suggest that the default folder view be folder hierarchy (not folder list). Or even better, let the user choose the default folder view in Preferences.
Starting with PSE 4, I organized my thousands of photos in several main folders and hundreds of subfolders. Many subfolders have the same name, and frequently the subfolder name is a date. Because the PSE 11 folder list view doesn’t show the hierarchical context, folder list view is just clutter and completely useless for me. As recommended in other posts, I do intend to start using tags/events/places and other suggested ways to organize my photos. However, this will be in addition to (not instead of) using folders. I like organizing my photos in folders, just as I like organizing my other files (text, spreadsheet, etc.) in folders. Also, categorizing photos via tags, places, events, etc. is not equivalent to, and does not replace, using folders. For me, categorizing in this manner is an additional usability feature to using folders.
Thanks for listening...

My own answer will be about :
ARJNA wrote:
Starting with PSE 4, I organized my thousands of photos in several main folders and hundreds of subfolders. Many subfolders have the same name, and frequently the subfolder name is a date. Because the PSE 11 folder list view doesn’t show the hierarchical context, folder list view is just clutter and completely useless for me. As recommended in other posts, I do intend to start using tags/events/places and other suggested ways to organize my photos. However, this will be in addition to (not instead of) using folders. I like organizing my photos in folders, just as I like organizing my other files (text, spreadsheet, etc.) in folders. Also, categorizing photos via tags, places, events, etc. is not equivalent to, and does not replace, using folders. For me, categorizing in this manner is an additional usability feature to using folders.
The fact is that the Organizer has been built historically on a database to manage keywords and categories with some additional tools to enable folder browsing and managing. Note that for other types of applications like word processors or spreadsheets, you have the same choice with using keywords or folder structures.
So, where are we in version 12 ? From what I am reading today, I'll risk a few guesses.
- I am convinced that most people relying like you on folder organization don't use the Organizer or have given up using it.
- A great part of the critiques about the Organizer come about people not understanding the idea of catalogs and categories/keywords (I know that is not your case)
- Anoter great part of the critiques is that the implementation of folder organizing in Elements has aliways been lame and buggy.
What's new in PSE12 is that the folder view has been completely rebuilt. And the result is perceived differently depending on your camp : database or folders...
- For Folder tenants, the result is two-sided. They are happy to have the folder view with all trees back - They don't see the point of the folder list - They are not happy with the new interface based on new categories (people, events...) - They miss the link between albums and folders as you have mentionned
- For database tenants, the main advantage is that a lot of bugs have been corrected and that they can use the folders view and folder list as a secondary tool for organizing. The folder list (a feature I had requested) is a great tool for those wanting to migrate from a folder organization to a database one. Usually, the folder names are significant and enable very fast keywording and constitute a powerful search tool.
- For both camps, the common grudge is the loss of alphanumerical sort order in folder view. I don't care personnally, but I think it's necessary for people working on scans.
So, my wish is that the next version of the Organizer can satisfy people like you,so that much more people use and are happy with the Organizer

PSE 10 organizer changing date times of photos

I have been having an issue since PSE9 which continues into PSE 10 organizer. After scaning photos and saving into organizer it will not allow assingment of jsut a year or a year month. If I take an old family photo and change date (scanned date) to year 1930 with unknown month it appears to take. Nect I time go into organizer it has changed the date to 12/31/1929. When I assign year and month with no date it will assing a day. PSE 10 also changes time of raw photos, keeps correct year, month, and day but changes time to the time file imported. If I correct the time it appears to take but it reverts back. This has become a major issue as I have over 16K of pictures and have scanned in thousands of old family photos, reasearching dates to use, it is extremetly frustarating to have a program that changes these settings.

hog_2002 a écrit:
PSE 10 organizer now displays SAMSUNG CAMERA PICTURES as the title for every imported image. This is very annoying. How to I prevent PSE from assigning this attribute to the title metadata upon import? I have thousands of photos, and going through each one to delete the title isn't really an option. Has anyone encountered this type of behavoir?
Windows 7 pro, if that matters.
Thanks,
--Hoggie
It's an old behaviour from some camera manufacturers (also Olympus...) which write their brand name in the exif field reserved to captions:
Photoshop Elements 6/7/8 Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)

PSE 8 Organizer file format

How is it possible to change the file format that PSE 8 Organizer uses to save files? E.g. if I use the function to cut a picture then a new copy of the file is saved in a low quality jpeg format. How can I change this format or change the quality options?
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wkr mhuew

Thanks for your response. But maybe my question was not clear enough. If I start to cut a picture in PSE 8 Organizer (not in editor!) then there is a window to choose the area where to cut. If I press now apply then a new copy is saved automatically in a file with a low quality jpeg format. How can I change this default format or the quality options of this format?
wkr mhuew

Keyword HUD do not coincide with Keyword filter

How many times a keyword is used is shown in keyword HUD, but sometimes it does´nt coicide with the real number of files I have tagged. When using the Keyword filter the number of files is different to the real number of tagged files.
Anybody out there who could help me ?

Are you looking at the Organizer in File Order display?
If so, then look at this thread
http://forums.adobe.com/thread/748720?tstart=180

PSE 9 Organizer & external hard disk

Can the PSE 9 Organizer handle external hard disks, DVDs, etc. that are not always online? By the way, I searched and I couldn't find this specific question asked before.
I use a laptop pc and only keep about 1 year's photos on it. I have a couple of external hard disks that keep a backup of the current photos on my laptop plus all my old photos going back many years. The external hard disks are usually not connected to my laptop, but I would like to be able to see thumbnails, search, etc. for all my photos and then if I want to open the actual photo and it is on an external disk I would like the Organizer to either give me an error that says the disk isn't connected or prompt me to connect it or something. This is the same issue you would have if your photos are backed up to multiple DVDs.
Can the PSE 9 Organizer do this? If not, what does it do if a disk isn't connected? Thanks!

99jon, thanks! That is very helpful and that link you provided gave some good info. That answers part of my question. The other part is about the fact that I have all my photos backed up to 2 external hard disk with only about a year of the most recent photos also on my laptop hard disk. The photo folders look like this on all 3 disks:
laptop hard disk, drive letter C:
p-2010-12
p-2010-11
p-2010-10
p-2009-12
external hard disk 1, drive letter X:
p-2010-12
p-2010-11
p-2010-10
p-2001-06
external hard disk 2, drive letter Y:
p-2010-12
p-2010-11
p-2010-10
p-2001-06
I assume that in the beginning I would have to connect drive X and then tell the Organizer to import all the photos on drive C and drive X. What will the Organizer do when it sees the duplicate folders (p-2010-12, etc.) on the 2 hard disks? Will it recognize the ones on X as being just backups of the ones on C? Of course, over time there will be new folders created (p-2011-01, etc.) and they will get backed up to X and Y. Also, over time some of the older folders on C will be deleted (p-2009-01, etc.). When X is not connected will the Organizer show that the photos on both C and X are available, but the ones only on X are not available until I reconnect X? Okay, then when we add disk Y into the mix how will that work? For example, if instead of connecting X I connect Y which has the same folders on it as X will Organizer recognize those folders and photos and let me access them as if it was X?
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PSE 9 Organizer Crash reinstall

PSE 9 Organizer has been cashing on launch for the past 5 days. It does it in any manner in which I launch, sometimes during initializing something or other, sometimes getting to the organizer page and that page disappearing and being replaced by a report form (one to Apple, the other to Adobe) Iam running it on an Apple Macbook.
In order to stop this frustration, I am thinking about uninstall / reinstall. My question: If I do this, will I lose all of my previous work in Elements?

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Can't make an incremental backup in PSE 10 Organizer

I don't understand why I can't make an incremental backup in PSE 10 Organizer. I made my first full backup to my external drive a week ago. Today I tried to make an incremental backup. After selecting Incremental Backup from the file menu, a new screen appears asking for the Backup Path, and so I entered (by selecting) the full path name on my external drive where I made my original backup. But, next, it wants to know the name of the "Previous Backup file." I have absolutely no idea what the program wants at this point. What particular file does it want me to enter as the "previous backup file"?? There are hundreds of files in my backup directory. The backup directly does have a file called "Backup.tly" which I entered, hoping that this is the file it wants, but then I get this error message: "I:\Pictures\Adobe\Backup.tly does not contain a backup set for the current catalog. Please locate the last backup you made for this catalog." What am I missing here?
Many thanks for your help,
Jeff

Hi Jeff
Once you have a full back up you can make incremental back ups but you need to follow a set routine. It’s not very intuitive.
Start by creating a new folder or label a new CD/DVD Disk - it’s best to use dates e.g. “PSE10 incr backup 2012-0104”
Press Ctrl+B and check Incremental, then click Next
Highlight your drive containing the last backup and click the bottom Browse button (previous back up file) then navigate to the TLY file and click open.
Click the Browse button above and navigate to your new folder “PSE10 incr backup 2012-0104”
Click Done.
If your full backup originally contained 500 images, the incremental backup will only contain changes since the last backup e.g. files B000501.jpg, B000502.jpg etc
If you ever have to do a complete restore you start with the TLY file from the latest incremental backup. The program automatically recognizes the number of incremental steps and you will be prompted to insert a disc or navigate to the appropriate drive.
Incremental backup’s are obviously much quicker to write to disk but I recommend that you periodically perform another full backup and delete any earlier backups.

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