Re render in edit to tape

I've had this one before - I'm trying to lay of a 50 min HD sequence that has been completely rendered (no green lines!)
FCP wants to spend the next hour re rendering it for play out - I had this the other day on a 10 sec commercial and it didnt really matter - 50 mins though???
I remember this happening a while back but cant remember the solution.
I'm using FCP 6 which seems to have regressed a few versions

Hi(Bonjour)!
I think that the rendering process is different than the conforming process.
With HDV (long GOP), altough the sequence is rendered (grey line in timeline), the conforming process (computing of new long GOP to suit the format)occurs when print to video.
I do not think that you can bypass this stage.
Michel Boissonneault

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... and the the frame dominance is the
same on the imported clip and the sequence.
it seems that the filed dominance is wrong:
upper or lower field dominace is determined by your blackmagic card and the codec used.
in your sequence settings use easy setup to load the correct settings for the codec you are using with your blackmagic card. after that, read what the field dominance is set to. use the same field dominance when rendering in AE.
good luck,
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From the web...
“The error message can appear because the Assemble, Insert or Preview buttons refer to whatever is currently loaded into the Viewer window. If there is a Color Matte, Slug, Bars & Tone, or any generated media element currently loaded in the Viewer window, no specific compression settings are applied and Final Cut Pro cannot proceed.
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Anyone else run into this issue?
I edit programs for broadcast on my MacPro at home (same version & settings as Final Cut software on systems at the office). Everything right up through rendering is done on my home system.
I bring it in via G-raid(firewire800) to one of the office systems with decks for printing, both of which are PowerMac G5s.
Open project - timelines look/play rendered as they did when I finished them at home.
Edit to Tape - after I drag/drop the sequence to Insert in the Edit-to-Tape window, Final Cut then proceeds to "write video" for at least 45 minutes as if it's re-rendering the entire sequence.
Through a TON of elimination & troubleshooting, we discovered this error is consistent when our other MacPro in the office gets the same result when an edited/rendered sequence from it is brought over to the G5s.
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I have often found that the rendering FCP needs to do just before an Edit to Tape to be very inconstient. I wonder if it could be writing the render to a different drive on the MacPro other that the G-Raid. I also wonder if it might be rendering to RAM for output.... I've never heard of this so it's just a theory. Do you do a Sequence > Render Only > Mixdown? Might try that. Also do a forum search for "Edit to Tape" as there are many topics on the subject.
And welcome to the forum.

'Incompatible Codec' Preventing Edit To Tape - Getting Annoyed Now!

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It was only on the fourth attempt that I managed to get ETT to output both video and audio together - the first three attempts it only output the audio tracks. Bizarre? Lastly the timecode is off by one frame - i.e. the beginning frame of the commercial is coming in at 10:00:00:01. Could this be a dropped frame or do I need to change the pre-roll settings for ETT somewhere (can I do this?)
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I have a 16:9 SONY TV set with auto wide screen functionality
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How can I to have an auto 16:9 wide screen on all my sequence ?

Edit to tape knows something I don't know!

Hi
I've occasionally found that edit to tape finds something to render in a sequence which seems to be already full rendered.
Doesn't ever seem to damage the result but it deflates that moment of 'Aaaah finished'!
What is is up to? Any ideas?
Checked all the render options were ticked and did Render All. Working in PAL, Uncompressed 8-bit via Blackmagic card SDI embedded to DVCAM on DSR 1500AP.
All the best
Jim

If I've no un-rendered audio on the timeline e.g. grey render bar throughout is there still something to do?<<</div>
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Edit to tape audio promlem - sounds like "chorus" effect

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When I monitor (headphone out of digibeta deck) while recording it sounds normal. When I rewind and check tape it sounds like the audio is "doubled up", almost like a very short chorus effect is on the audio. as well as this I can hear what sounds like tape crackle now and again.
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Having trouble with audio edit to tape, print to video ok

Hi all, please go easy on me, this is my first post.
I am having difficulty getting audio on to tape via 'edit to tape'.
The hardware is blackmagic decklink extreme, feeding component video and analoge audio to a UVW-1800P.
I can do a print to video on a crash record and the audio works that way, but edit to tape does not.
I have tried both deck link and built in audio in the audio settings and the FCP a/v settings, seperate and ganged output settings, I have set the insert settings to 2 channel Sony, reloaded the decklink drivers.
The irritating thing is the audio is there whilst cutting, but as soon as I try edit to tape there is complete silence. The important thing is that it worked a few weeks back but does not now, it must be a setting?
Thanks in advance for your help.
This machine I am working with this week is an Intel MacPro running FCP 5.1.2 and Mac OS 10.4.8
G5 Dual 2GHz-Blackmagic Decklink Pro, G3 with Sonnet G4 upgrade Mac OS X (10.4.8)
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I had this same problem and this resolved it for me:
-Go to your "Settings" icon and click on the "General" tab.
-About 2/3 way down the page you will see "Use side switch to:" - make sure "mute" is checked rather than "lock rotation."
-Then make sure the side switch, located next to the volume toggle switch on the side of your ipad, is moved to the right (no red dot showing).
My audio worked fine in embedded videos after I did those two things. Hope it works for you.

Edit to tape confusing drop frame and non drop frame

This is a re-creation of a dead thread I found from June 6, 2006. This is the exact problem this other user was having.
OS 10.4.7
FCP 5.0.4
Dual G5 2.5
4.5 GB RAM
KONALH
Trying to edit to a Sony DVW-A500 (Digibeta) in Drop Frame mode.
Read Below for deets.
Problem: When working with a drop-frame sequence, and editing to tape, the program is edited to the tape with an offset of 3 seconds and 18 frames at the end of one hour.
Reproducible: Yes.
Steps to Reproduce:
1. Create a drop-frame sequence.
2. Edit the sequence in step 1.
3. Perform an edit to tape with the sequence edited in step 2.
What should happen: The sequence should be edited to tape at the time it occurs in the timeline.
What does happen: The sequence is edited to the tape 3 seconds and 18 frames after it should be!
Other observations: 3 seconds and 18 frames is exactly how much time is not in an hour of drop-frame time when compared to non-drop frame time. If you drop two (2) frames in every minute that does not end in zero, the math works out to 2*54=108 dropped frames in an hour. For the sake of simple mathematics, lets say there are 30 frames in a second. So 108/30= 3 with a remainder of 18, or 3 seconds and 18 frames.
It's as if FCP is getting confused about drop and non-drop timecode when the sequence is drop-frame. If anyone can offer any insights, confirmation, or resolutions for what I am seeing, it would be appreciated.
Thanks for reading!

So is the timeline a drop frame timeline, starting at 1:00:00:00?
And then is the DBeta tape prestriped (at least enough to do an assemble edit) to start the program at 01:00:00:00?
In other words, is the FCP timeline timecode matching the Dbeta tape timecode in a 1:1 relationship before you attempt to Edit to Tape?
Thinking further: FCP can't really confuse the two timecodes, it's dependent on the operator to tell it what to do. When it outputs it's not outputing timecode or looking even really looking for timecode. It's looking for your IN point in the Edit to Tape tool.
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