Recovery slider

I'm importing raw files from a Fuji S5 Pro-- .raf file extension. The Black Point and Recovery sliders are greyed out when I select an image and go to the Adjustments tab. Is there a setting I am missing that enables these adjustments?
Thanks-

Hi Bradley,
I never had any luck with that. And now that a new version of the "Raw Fine Tuning" came out, version 2.5, I thought I would try again, but still find that Aperture only lets me use 1.0 or 1.5 with my RAF files, which is frustrating. Again this suggests that I have more control over an image shooting as a JPG, which makes little sense.
I have tried unticking all of the adjustments, and changing the version setting on a fresh imported image, all to no avail.
Cheers,
Tobias

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I'm sure there's a reason for this, and not necessarily a defect, but I have to ask:
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This is a known "problem". It is caused by "hue twists" that are present in the camera-matching profiles and the new Adobe profiles. Several threads on this in the ACR forum:
http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?128@@.3bc03c04.59b77b09
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My requests:
1.) Please change the behavior of the 'Recovery' slider so that it attacks very-blown-out-highlights more rigorously than less-blown-out-highlights.
2.) Please add a 'Color Correction' slider to the Tone Curve that is analogous to the 'Color Correction' slider built into the 'Shadows/Highlights' tool in Adobe Photoshop & Apple Aperture.
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1.) Aperture's 'Shadows/Highlights' tool recovers highlights by attacking the brightest parts of the highlights more harshly than the lesser bright parts of the highlights (th extent of luminosities attacked is adjustable using the 'High Tonal Width' slider). LR's "Recovery' tool doesn't seem to, among highlights, preferentially attack the brighter parts of the highlights over the less bright highlights. In fact, sometimes it leaves THE brightest parts of my image nearly untouched! I've posted an image below that shows this.
2.) Aperture's 'Highlights' tool recovers highlights WHILE maintaining color saturation (you can control the extent to which this saturation is maintained using the 'Color Correction' slider under Advanced settings fo the Shadows/Highlights tool). LR's 'Highlights' within the Tone Curve desaturates colors as highlights are 'recovered' by bringing 'Highlights' down. Again, I've posted an image below that shows this.
Here is an image that clearly shows the different behaviors of Aperture's Shadows/Highlights tool vs. LR's Recovery tool vs. LR's 'Highlights' slider within the Tone Curve:
http://web.mac.com/rishisanyal/Lightroom/HighlightRecovery_LRvsAperture.jpg
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More for your eyes to feast on:
http://web.mac.com/rishisanyal/Lightroom/HighlightRecovery_LRvsAperture_2.jpg
http://web.mac.com/rishisanyal/Lightroom/LR_FailsToDecreaseBlownOutHighlights.jpg
Funny thing is, LR just seems unwilling to touch (255,255,255) blown-out highlights. In all my test images with a blown-out sun, LR leaves the sun at (255,255,255) after all combinations of exposure, recovery, and Tone Curve manipulations. Whereas Aperture will bring it down to something like (128,128,128). Which seems more logical, to me, if one is trying to darken the image or darken highlights... right?
Also, if you look at the Seattle & Mt. Rainier image, no matter what I try, LR will not get rid of that brighter 'halo' to the upper left of Mt. Rainier. It just won't! 'Recovery' ends up highlighting just that bubble, and decreasing the Highlights in the Tone Curve just turns it into a grey, desaturated, halo. I'm telling, it just won't get rid of that halo! It has a love affair with it! :)
Aperture immediately gets rid of it with its Highlight slider, and Photoshop's 'Shadows/Highlights' tool also gets rid of it after a bit of manipulations/tweaking.
Now, I try to avoid Aperture at all costs, but, for all these images, seems like I need to use Aperture as my 'external editor' just to fix the highlights!
Any suggestions are very much welcome & appreciated.

Excessive use of recovery slider causes banding.

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Reducing the Recovery to 3/4 seems to make it disappear. It caused me some problems yesterday when outputting some tiffs and required some rework to get things right. JFYI

Top 1/3rd in portrait or last 1/3 L to R in landscape produces a band of more solid white. Obviously a problem and now I'm more cautious seeing as you have the same problem. Granted by judicious amounts of slider applied it causes no problem but there is no indication of where or when this will appear, on screen gives no indication, it only seems to appear in printing or output.

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Adobe, please, please do something with significant hue shifts on recovery slider!

I know that this happens due camera profiles have those hue shifts.
After reading DNG specification, I understand inner workflow, but may be there is the possibility to apply camera profile after adjustments of recovery slider?
Huge hue shifts happens especially on skin tones while photo taken on tungsten lights...
Pray on fixing this issue...

Here you go. These settings, for Canon EOS 40D, should bring you a good bit closer to the out-of-camera default JPEG color than center scale settings with the Camera Standard profile.
Please let me know how these settings work for you.
-Noel

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Hello,
I've attached a pair of screen captures of part of an image and part of the lightroom 2.4 develop screen visible.
In the Before image you can see 0 Recovery and R 42.4 G 42.1 B 88.5.
In the after with only the recovery slider moved to 51 you get R 52.5 G 50.3 B 80.5
Why on earth is this unblown portion of the image being colour shifted so much ?
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The bit that escapes me entirely is the increase in red and green by around 10%, just doesn't make sense.
If it was deemed by the software that blue should be decreased, why shouldn't R & G be treated in the same manner instead of the inverse ?
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John,
I don't agree that recovery of 51 is way high, it is only just over half the available scale. Although anything over 20 mangled hues before applying DCPtool.
In quite a few images I now have recovery of 100 set, but brightness and or exposure have been adjusted as well to give an overall result I like better than previously. This is possible because the hue is no longer being mangled.
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Cheers
John

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Camera profiles and Highlight Recovery: color shifts

I often see significant hue shifts and loss of saturation when using the Recovery slider in conjunction with the new dng camera profiles. I don't remember to ever have this 'problem' with legacy ACR profiles. In the sample below, you can see just that:
Sample: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3224/2918603614_7a562db832_o.png
This becomes a bit of a problem, as recovering highlights now brings color shifts as a side-effect and you have to go fiddling with color controls.
Often, the new, 'shifted' colors are even more pleasing than the 'unshifted' (i.e. recovery set to zero), but this is a psychological and a workflow problem too. It is just not nice to know that controls are interdependent and have side-effects.
Is it a bug or a fact of life? What's so different about the old a new profiles, that cause this difference in recovery effect?
The DNG to play: http://www.yousendit.com/download/bVlBblFOR0Y3N0JFQlE9PQ

Eric, thanks a lot for the explanation and technical details.
Knowing this helps me a bit, as it confirms my observations. What is not clear, is how these shifts will/should (or would they?) be addressed?
I mean Recovery was a perfect control until now. it just did what is should, reliably and consistently. Now we have the side-effect of color shifts.
a) Will Adobe adjust the algorithm to fit the new profile system? A bad thing, because it will not assure backward compatibility.
b) Will Adobe add a new control? Worse, because it adds unnecessary complexity.
c) Will/could the profiles be modified in a way as these color shift don't happen. As I understand from your previous post, this doesn't seem possible.
d) Will it just be left as is and I'll have to live with the color shifts? Now it seems it's the most likely option. Sad, because Recovery used to be so powerful, and now its power is somewhat compromised.

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See image from CS5 down:
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The closest thing to recovery now is the highlights slider, which will essentially do the same thing (i.e. recovery highlight detail) but in a more controlled and focused manner. Basically, you need to spend some time learning how the new tools available to you work: takes a bit of practice (in fact personally, I'm still learning how to get the best from it as I'm sure many are), but once you start to figure things out I think you'll find that the new processing cabailities in ACR7 are far superior to earlier versions. There are plently of tutorials out there that can help: many will be focused on the develop module in Lightroom in LR4 (as this was released two-three months in advance of ACR7), but the sliders operate in the exact same way so they'll be an invauable learning tool. Also try the Adobe forum for LR - plenty of good advice on there. But above all, just take some time to practice and figure thnigs out.
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Question on Recovery in ACR.

My camera is set to Uni-WB and I ETTR. For the vast majority of images, the ACR histogram shows highlights set to the very right side (as expected) with Exposure set at 0. (Of course this is after I've set WB). Occasionally I have an image that shows that highlights are clipped in all 3 channels as indicated by white showing in the triangle (probably due to my getting too close to the right when exposing). I understand (per a Bruce Fraser post) that when all channels are clipped nothing can be done to recover the highlights. (And my attempts to recover with either Exposure or Recovery sliders visually bear this out). What is bothering me is that when I move Recovery to the right, the white triangle (and the clipping warning when opt is held) both indicate that there is not longer any clipping. It seems to me that these indicators should continue to stay at white (and red) rather than indicate that clipping is not longer present. Comments?

Interesting. Maybe it could have something to do with the profile you're using? I'm testing with the Camera Standard profile.
I would like to see your file (as, I'm sure, would the Adobe guys). YouSendIt.com will host large files - send it to yourself then post the link here.
I actually did some more testing, and while I can't get the clipping indicator to go away with just the Recovery slider, I can make it go off with huge negative Exposure settings on a test image of mine that has only marginal overexposure. This is that image:
http://Noel.ProDigitalSoftware.com/temp/IMG_3946.zip
I can't explain why, unless perhaps math error resulting in a small value change may be playing up, that this should occur.
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