Removing an unwanted phone line.

Hi everyone,
I have an unused/unwanted phone line upstairs in my house, now I'm decorating I wanted to remove the cables as it stretches halfway round the place and is annoying. How easy is it and is it something I can do myself?
There is a small junction box by the front door where the external cable enters the property, both the phone lines are NTE5 style sockets that come independently from the box, so I don't think there's a master socket, is that right? Anyway here's an image of the junction box, the line I want to remove is the one on the lower right, slightly in the foreground...
http://postimg.org/image/y7jq1zv67/
I thought I maybe able just to unplug or unscrew stuff but it seems to be a wire clipping operation, and obviously don't want to get into that when I'm unsure of what i'm doing. If I can do this without call someone out would be good, so any advice greatly appreciated... Thanks.

Bogard wrote:
How can it be openreach's property, I'm not even a customer of theres? And why would I not be allowed to touch the wires going up my own stairs! The world's gone mad. Well I ripped it all out anyway and everything else is still working, I'm not going to line an engineers pocket for a 5 minute job.
Who is the provider of your line? unless it is Virgin Cable or Kingston Communications (Hull) all other communication providers use the Openreach network. Openreach is part of the BT Group.
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Your enquiry reference number: 120710-<removed for forum post>"
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In the last 6 months I’ve got multiple letters from BT telling me I am late in paying for my line service. I get ‘account overdue’ letters even though I prepaid the 12 months line service in advance for a line that has never worked.
SADLY:
There are phone lines in the flats below me, either side of me, and all down this entire street.
There are phone lines all over London. There are phone lines all over the UK.
But sadly not one that works in my flat. I’ve been without a phone or an internet connection since I moved in. 9 months ago.
MARS:
The Americans have flown a Mars Rover, which weighs a ton, from the Earth to Mars, landed it, and driven it around a bit – all on another planet - in the same time BT has failed to install a working phone line into a flat in central London? I wish it was this funny..
GIVEN UP:
So now I give up. My endless frustration at BT’s total lack of anything even close to coordinated fault tracking or anything like co-ordinated customer care service isn’t worth the time or stress any longer. 9 months of stress, lost wages while I’ve waited at home for engineers, and countless hours and hours of my time wasted on hold or speaking to people that can’t help.
YOU SUCK:
BT you are the total pits.
I don’t think you could suck more.
Some of my account numbers have been GB 1084 <removed for forum post>, GB 1099 <removed for forum post>, GB 1038 <removed for forum post>, GB 1105 <removed for forum post>
Dozens of other reference numbers: <removed for forum post>

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I have just spent the last 14 days trying to move my broad band from BT to Sky, I was told by Sky that I have to have a new phone number and as I was getting loads of unwanted phone call I thought that it would be a good Idea. So any way I ordered a new number and broadband with sky.
Any way to cut a 14 day long story short, Sky cannot provide me with Broadband due to incompatible technology, so I really do not have any other option other than to come back to helpful BT. Just phone BT up to order my BB to be told that they cannot help me unless I move my phone number back to BT..........
When questioned about this I was told that "I have to have both phone line and Broadband with BT"......... NO I DO NOT, in February 2012 I moved my phone line to Sky and my Broadband staied with BT, as there was a problem switching it over, little did I know then what I know now.
So could someone from BT 'in the know' please tell me why I have to move my phone line back to BT

sorry mate.
Hadn't heard about TPON lines before today.
Doing a quick google search, found this:
"TPON stands for Telephony over Passive Optical Network
TPON was a method used by BT (now Openreach) mainly in the 1980s and early 1990s to deliver phone lines to new build areas where there wasn't enough existing copper capacity available. This decision was made before ADSL was envisaged, and as ADSL requires a copper pair route between customer and exchange, this means customers in TPON areas are currently unable to receive ADSL."
Hope all is sorted soon.
Cheers
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Please help, noisy phone line think its a high res...

HI,
Just moved in and phone line / bt broadband was activated a week ago. Phone master socket is OpenReach branded.
I have the BT supplied broadband filter fitted directly to the test socket (just the adsl router and a single phone connected).
Using the 17070 quiet line test , i have varying volumes on hissing and noise on the phone. This varies between loud and intrusive (difficult to hear callers) to fairly quiet. This seemed to be better during the cold weather over last weekend, but is worse again this morning.
I can also hear adsl connection noise when the router was connecting, depsite being through the adsl filters. This lead me to find threads related to High resistance faults whcih I think may apply to me.
BT online fault test shows no fault found.
Adsl Stats:
I was supplied with a home hub 3A
Connection Information
Line state: Connected
Connection time: 0 days, 21:29:11
Downstream: 3.625 Mbps
Upstream: 448 Kbps
ADSL Settings
VPI/VCI: 0/38
Type: PPPoA
Modulation: G.992.1 Annex A
Latency type: Interleaved
Noise margin (Down/Up): 10.6 dB / 15.0 dB
Line attenuation (Down/Up): 32.2 dB / 16.0 dB
Output power (Down/Up): 19.9 dBm / 12.4 dBm
FEC Events (Down/Up): 2941 / 325
CRC Events (Down/Up): 12 / 45
Loss of Framing (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Signal (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Power (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
HEC Events (Down/Up): 79 / 30
Error Seconds (Local/Remote): 8 / 22
1. Product name: BT Home Hub
2. Serial number:
3. Firmware version: Software version 4.7.5.1.83.8.57.1.3 (Type A) Last updated Unknown
4. Board version: BT Home Hub 3.0A
5. ADSL uptime: 0 days, 21:31:21
6. Bandwidth: 448 / 3712
7. Data sent/received: 0.3 / 2.7
8. Broadband username: [email protected]
9. BT FON: Yes
10. Wireless network/SSID: BTHub3-KC3K
11. Wireless connections: Enabled, (802.11 b/g/n (Recommended)) 20 MHz
12. Wireless security: WPA and WPA2
13. Wireless channel: Automatic / 1
14. Firewall: Default
15. MAC Address:
16. VPI/VCI: 0 / 38
17. Line profile: Interleaved
18. Software variant: -
19. Boot loader: -
The home hub doesn't seem too good at keeping the sync, speed drops regularly and it maintains a high SNR.
My previous router was a Thomson Speedtouch 780, which provides a higher sync and much better stability. Presumably this is due to the broadcom chipset (would a home hub 3b also be better?)
Speedtouch stats from this morning:
speedtouch 4/12/12 08:45
DSL Connection
Link Information
Uptime: 1 day, 10:39:46
Modulation: G.992.1 annex A
Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]: 448 / 5.120
Data Transferred (Sent/Received) [MB/MB]: 24,94 / 119,27
Output Power (Up/Down) [dBm]: 12,0 / 19,5
Line Attenuation (Up/Down) [dB]: 15,5 / 31,0
SN Margin (Up/Down) [dB]: 19,0 / 9,0
Vendor ID (Local/Remote): TMMB / TSTC
Loss of Framing (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Signal (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Power (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Link (Remote): 0
Error Seconds (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
FEC Errors (Up/Down): 0 / 158.090
CRC Errors (Up/Down): 0 / 68
HEC Errors (Up/Down): 0 / 62
speedtouch 04/12/12 09:30
DSL Connection
Link Information
Uptime: 1 day, 11:25:26
Modulation: G.992.1 annex A
Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]: 448 / 5.120
Data Transferred (Sent/Received) [MB/MB]: 28,90 / 129,91
Output Power (Up/Down) [dBm]: 12,0 / 19,5
Line Attenuation (Up/Down) [dB]: 15,5 / 31,0
SN Margin (Up/Down) [dB]: 19,0 / 4,5
Vendor ID (Local/Remote): TMMB / TSTC
Loss of Framing (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Signal (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Power (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Link (Remote): 0
Error Seconds (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
FEC Errors (Up/Down): 0 / 171.051
CRC Errors (Up/Down): 0 / 68
HEC Errors (Up/Down): 0 / 62
As your can see theres a wide range in the SNR figures, although the speedtouch is much better at holding the sync and not dropping the speed.
Given the line attenuation at 31db, I would have expected a higher sync rate. The estimated line length of ~2.2km from kitz.co.uk seems to be about right.
Any advice appreciated, including how to report this fault to the right people.
Thanks
Jon

I'm suspecting that I will be getting billed for the last engineer visit ( as he couldn't find a fault and therefore said it must be my equipment). I can't afford to pay one fee let alone 2 if I report it again with the same result.
However since the visit, the occurrences of the intermittent noise on the line have been fewer and further between. This morning however, after listening to a 1571 message I heard more noise so I did a quiet line test to see. Initially the line was quiet, but then I heard some quit noise and then a ringing sound (like when you dial a number and it rings remotely) as if I had made a call. The "BT Quiet line message" cut in but I could still here the ringing underneath. I waited to see if I would be able to hear if someone answered but the ringing stopped after a while and I couldn't here a voice so I don't know if they answered or it rung off.
Is it possible my line is picking up the ring tone from another line?
Also, when the engineer arrived he initially said his test had shown a fault and that water must have got in somewhere. However when he removed my filter/phone/router from the test socket, his tests then showed no fault. Is it possible the fault only shows up when the adsl is active. Back when the line was first active I could the router negotiating (even thorough 2 filters) although this doesn't happen now.
Moving on to the adsl side of things, Currently my stats are:
DSL Connection
Link Information
Uptime: 0 days, 11:48:54
Modulation: G.992.1 annex A
Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]: 448 / 5.440
Data Transferred (Sent/Received) [MB/MB]: 9,61 / 39,04
Output Power (Up/Down) [dBm]: 12,0 / 19,5
Line Attenuation (Up/Down) [dB]: 15,5 / 31,0
SN Margin (Up/Down) [dB]: 20,0 / 5,0
Vendor ID (Local/Remote): TMMB / TSTC
Loss of Framing (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Signal (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Power (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Link (Remote): 0
Error Seconds (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
FEC Errors (Up/Down): 0 / 1.384
CRC Errors (Up/Down): 0 / 0
HEC Errors (Up/Down): 0 / 0
Interleaved.
With the BT Home hub (3a) the connection would drop peridocally, so I'm using my Thomson 780wl which hold the connection better and also shows less FEC errors than the HH.
I think the connection speed and the interlacing are poor given the line attenuation. The line length is about 2 - 2.5km, underground from the village to the exchange, overground to the house. No cabinets directly connected to exchange.
I've been monitoring signal to noise ratio and have noticed something odd:
This happens every day, in the same pattern. Its not interference from any internal wiring or appliances or heating etc. I understand that noise changes over time but this is a 5+ DB drop is this normal?
Any advice?

All-in-one 6830 printer Does not enter sleep mode when connected to a phone line

HP staff help. HP all-in-one printer 6830 does not enter sleep mode when conntected to a phone line via 1-Line jack. The Firmware is PNP1CN1521AR. On August 1, 2015, I purchased an HP all-in-one 6830 printer and upgraded to firmware PNP1CN1521AR.When a phone line is connected to 1-Line jack of 6830, the printer will no longer enter sleep mode and the display remains on indefinitly.Removing the phone connection either from the wall outlet or from the printer causes the sleep mode to work correctly again where the control panel display turns off after 5 minutes (or optionally after 10 or 15 minutes).This problem was previously reported by a user and has not been resolved, see:http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Other-Printing-Questions/Sleep-mode-of-Officejet-Pro-6830/td-p/4772182 The user did not receive a resolution to this problem according to the thread.
There seems to be a 6830 printer firmware or hardware problem causing this. HP should be able to confirm this problem on 6830 easily.
Please advise ASAP.
Thanks

It's a regular analog phone line. I've tested it with other phone lines. No difference. I have another all-in-one printer which works fine (goes to sleep mode) when plugged into the same phone line.
The 6830 works ok in other aspects. The only problem is the sleep mode. Any 6830 with the firmware I mentioned should replicate the same result, regardless of anything else. The previous firmware to PNP1CN1521AR also created this problem according to the original report of this problem by another user.
I'm sure there's a bug in the firmware. A subroutine in the firmware monitoring the incoming fax ringing, mistakenly, sees the voltage across the phone jack pins as an event and wakes up the printer instantly even though there's no ringing. As the previous user also suspected, there seems to be an error in the phone line voltage threshold used by the firmware. The present firmware always sees a ringing at the phone line which causes it to never stay in sleep mode.

Bizarre Broadband / Phone line problem..... please...

Hi all
Currently suffering a very bizarre problem with BT Broadband. Here's the chronological order of what has happened, note that I run a wired connection to my computer from my BT hub (model version 3) that is connected to my phone line through an extension socket upstairs in my house.
1) Woke up and BB all of a sudden not working, orange BB light flashing on hub. Not touched or done anything different, BB worked fine the night before. Phones connected to extension sockets work fine.
2) Rang BT, they advised resetting hub etc. Still not working.
3) BT advised connect hub to another extension socket in my house. Still not working.
4) BT advised swap microfilters. Still not working.
5) BT ran line tests (quiet line etc.), detected no problems.
6) BT advised plug hub into master phone socket. Still not working.
7) BT advised unscrew master socket, remove faceplate and plug hub directly to test socket (the one with the direct link to the BT incoming phone line). Did and it works! Of course, phones then don't work as the faceplate is off so no extension sockets have a signal.
8) BT said it is not their problem to fix and must be an internal wiring problem since the incoming signal works fine.
My worry is, if it's an internal wiring problem then why do the phones still work? Is it possible that overnight the BB signal weakened and now doesn't transmit through my internal wiring? Please help as I currently can only have BB or phones working and not both together!
Thanks in advance
Mosh

ok you say your phones are still working is there any noise on the phones try the quiet line test dial 17070 if you hear any noise then that is the cause of your problem unfortunately if the noise is only heard on the extensions then the fault is down to you to repair as BT would charge you if however the noise can still be heard at the test socket then report it as a noise fault on 151 but do not mention broadband
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