Reusable BPM And BPEL sub processes

Hi Heidi,
Is there support for this already? WIll appreciate a tutorial that covers these two topics. In addition if there is any integration between the two other than web services, would be great to have some information on that as well.
regards,
Naresh

Hi,
The Reusable BPMN process (also referred to as Callable subprocess) and the Call Activity to call this reusable subprocess are not supported in this version but will be supported in a subsequent patch post the 11gR1 release. You need to use Service Tasks to invoke BPEL as well as BPMN processes exposed as a Service. You need to choose the "Async" or "Sync" template for the BPMN process to be exposed as a Service. We will get a sample out to you via the Beta site.

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BPM and BPEL process differentiaition.

Hi All,
Can any one shed some light on below points
1) How is a BPM process different from BPEL process.
2) Can i achieve every thing in BPM process that i can achieve in BPEL process.
3) Also when BPEL process is available why has Oracle introduced BPM process.
Thanks
Parker.

Hi,
You can refer the following short PDF about the key differences between BPEL and BPM and when would be the right strategy to use either BPEL or BPM.
http://beatechnologies.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/bpm_and_bpel.pdf
Edited by: Arun Pareek on Mar 8, 2011 3:32 PM

BPM and Change Management Process

Hi,
We have a requirement to automate the change management process. Typical functionality needed is - input the change required, assign priority, organise risk assessment, change approvals, change implementation, send automatic emails to managers etc.
Is BPM a best fit to this kind of Change Management Process?
Thanks
Srikanth

Hi Srikanth,
It's a good question and I hope this helps.
My short answer is that "it depends...".
Yes, an Oracle BPM process will let your users enter the change required, assign priority, define the change approvals, and send automatically send emails to managers.
Not saying that this is the case here, but sometimes people confuse an application with what BPM does with a process. Ask yourself if your candidate process for BPM has one or more of these characteristics:
Workflow - are there multiple people involved in the editing and approvals over some period of time?
Documentation - as work flows through the process, will you need to gather requirements / documents and associate these with the instance?
Seamless integration - are there systems and or databases involved that you need to integrate into the process?
Efficiency - do you want to ensure that your process continues to flow and escalates when a work item sits too long in someone's queue?
Governance - do you need to have an audit trail of the various people who were involved as a work item instance (a change approval in your case) flowed through the process?
Compliance - do you need to have the change management instances go through a process in a consistent and well documented manner?
Visibility - do you need to gather key performance indicators as instances flow through the process and do managers need to track these in business activity monitoring reports?
Hope this helps,
Dan

Basic WSDL, composite, and BPEL Update Processe in SOA Project

I need to locate some documentation/answers on basic SOA application activities, especially utilizing JDeveloper.
Specifically, if a developer updates a method response in a WSDL, then will other objects will need to be manually updated? For example, will the composite.xml need to be re-generated? Will any of the changes be automatically propogated ?
Thanks

will other objects will need to be manually updated? ... Will any of the changes be automatically propogated ?There's no simple answer to that question, it depends on the case and the object involved, JDEV is not usually very good in refactoring things, but in some cases it may work well...
Even for your specific case, changing the method response may end up updating the associated schema, but it's very unlikely it will update a BPEL for example...
Cheers,
Vlad

Querying BPEL process and sub-processes

Hi there,
I am new to BPEL and in our BPEL process we are calling like 5 other BPEL sub-processes. So assume our BPEL process A calls processes B, C, D, E, and F. Now for our fault handing if for example processes D fails I would like to retire sub-processes A but also sub-process B, C and D.
Can anyone tell me which API would give me this information? Kind of like the tree in the BPEL console where we can see all the child processes.
Thanks.

Eric,
No for us we have a generic BPEL error handling process where we are dynamically retiring the calling process. I got the Java API to dynamically retire the main calling process. But my main goal is to retire all the sub process that the main calling process calls as well.
I looked at Matt Wright's Blog : tracing sub process calls within BPEL. He says you can use programatically for each instance one could query using the track of a parent id and root id but I need to get the details on how would I use the API. If you or anyone has that information can you please share that with me. Would really appreciate it.
Thanks

AR process and Sub process documentation

Hi,
I am working on AR process and sub process Can any one please mail me the documentation / links on
AR high-level process &and AR sub process like.
Manual invoicing (where there is no SD invoice)
Direct debit Process,
Automatic matching of Incoming payments,
Remittance advice/ payment advice,
Debit Not process & credit note process
Electronic Bank Statements
User exits (on payment advice)
Credit managment process
Points will be awarded accordingly
MY mail id is [email protected]
Thanks
Sireesha

I would suggest reading the pdf files from Siemens.
you can also find some files in www.easymarketplace.de
but the best thing to do would be to practise a lot in a test system and get the overview from people who worked in AR for atleast 6 months....
the pdf files, though they are comprehensive are very intricate and never explain the entire business scenario in simple words..

How the invocation between process and sub-process work?

As I have read throught some posts here and know that the web service whicn is used to trigger the process is asynchronous.
so is the invocation between process and its sub-process asynchronous using web service?
supposed there is a process like below:
Start Event -
>Sub-Process ->Automated Task-->EndEvent
I have some confused questions:
1: is it asyn to invoke the subprocess?
2: if the invocation is asyn, is the next "Automated Task" triggerred before the completion of the nested subprocess? It seems to be, but it is not so reasonable.
3: if the invocation is asyn, how the process get the return value of the nested subprocess?

Hi John,
the invocation of sub-processes is done via an internal runtime mechanism and not via normal Web Service call.
The sub-process call is synchronous, so the calling process is waiting for the reply from the sub-process. There are a few things to keep in mind when using sub-processes:
If you are branching off parallel execution paths (via a split gateway) within the sub-process and are using a regular end event, only the first token arriving at the end event will return to the calling process. The sub-process will keep running until either the last of its tokens flows into the end event or until the calling process is being terminated. In any case, the calling process will not react to any more tokens arriving at the sub-processes end event.
If you are using parallelism within the sub-process, but want it to terminate once the first token arrives the end, use a terminating end event in the sub-process.
Don't use the correlation condition at the start event of a sub-process. If this condition evaluates to 'false', the sub-process will never be started, but the calling process will wait forever for a reply.
If you want the sub-process call to behave asynchronously, you can model the sub-process to split off a token to the execution path where it does the actual work and have another straight path directly from the split gateway to the (non-terminating) end event. That way the calling process will continue right away, but of course you cannot expect any response coming out of the sub-process.
Best regards,
Oliver

Oracle BPM vs BPEL

Hi All,
I have some confusion between Oracle BPM vs BPEL. I have seen some posts regarding this but that was not clear to me.
Please clarify.
1) In What situation that we should use "Oracle BPM" rather than "Oracle BPEL PM" ?
2) In What situation that we should use "Oracle BPEL PM" rather than "Oracle BPM" ?
Thanks

In my opinion it’s not a “vs.”. Both the BPM and BPEL have strengths, they are often used together, and Oracle BPM and Oracle BPEL PM are synergistic.
Oracle BPEL PM is included with Oracle BPM Suite. We use Oracle BPEL processes on projects to orchestrate the services in a composite and we use Oracle BPM processes to model the business processes understood by executives, managers, subject matter experts, business analysts and developers. Using the same simple role based BPMN diagram in Oracle BPM, everyone understands what the business problem is and how the process will work solve the problem.
An activity in an Oracle BPM process can be used to invoke a Oracle BPEL process that in turn orchestrates the underlying IT components.

Sub-Process Main Process Web-Service

Hi,
I have a main Process and a sub-process inside this main process.
I have a Wait activity inside this sub-process, which waits for an external call from another system to call my Web-Service at this Wait activity. This Web-Service is built as Process As a Web-Service Call.
But I fail to get any information back from this Wait Activity which keeps waiting for the call from the external system which calls my Web-Service at this Wait Activity.
But the external system is calling my Web-Service and it gets a error notification from BPM..
Why is that so?
Is it because its a sub-process inside a main process or something else?

Did you use PAPI code inside your web service or did u just use PAPI Web Services ( like did u just pressed the button Launch PAPI Web Services ) and it created the WSDL for you and u used it to create the client?
I am using the latest version of OBPM..
Oracle 10.3.10
Can you let me know what do u mean by PAPI interface.. Is it the PAPI code of is the PAPI Web Service which is built by BPM automatically and could be used?
Edited by: user8707382 on Sep 10, 2009 9:00 AM

Concept of Sub Process and Starter Process in BPEL

Hi Forum -
With my limited understanding of BPEL I have found that if a process has to interact with another process it has to be exposed as a service however that is not good in all cases.
Is there a way in BPEL where once can create a process and do not expose it as service and still be able to call it from another BPEL process.
For example there can be a process called sendNotification and all the other processes if they want to send a notification can call this process.
In TIBCO there is a concept of Starter Process and Sub Process. A Starter Process is a process which will wait for an event to take place, like a web service request or a JMS message or a database adapter event and then this main process can call a sub process, just like the main program calling a function. This sub process need not be defined as a service in TIBCO and it can still accept an xml schema type as input.
Is this possible in BPEL?
Thanks!

10g -> Every process is a service.
11g -> Create a Composite, You could wire multiple BPEL Components and expose only the desired ones as a service through a mediator or directly the bpel. Mediator provide one more layer of virtualization and hides even the first master bpel component.
But if the send notification have to be reused outside the composite, it has to be an exposed service. Although it is exposed as a web service, it uses only WSIF binding to interact between bpel processes and not a soap binding(unless specifically instructed).
If you are looking for function kind of construct, you could create custom xpath functions (like logging etc.)
-Sridhar

BPM 11g Workspace Audit Trail not showing Sub process inner activities

Hi all,
I have been developing some BPM Process in JDev 11.1.1.5 and have deployed them in BPM Suite 11.1.1.5 over Windows Server 2003. I've found the following and would like to hear your opinion:
1- The Process audit trail in BPM 11g Workspace shows the activities of the process but the Sub-Process call activity appears as just a single activity and you can not see the inner activities of the sub-process... making impossible to track the sub-process.
2- In the EM Instance trail you can track the subprocess activities, but they appear wrong; diffrent names, diferente types (ex: interactive activity shown as service call)..etc..
Are these known issues? is this the expected behaviour? Is it just some configuration I missed?
Thanks for your time.

For anyone with the same question, I got this from Oracle support about both questions:
1- I checked with our Engineering team and regarding the expanding of the subprocess activity , it is planned to be released in 12g. So right now , it is a work in progress feature being addressed by our developers.
2- Thanks a lot. I have reported a bug 12909848 to our Engineering team. You can track the status of the bug from the SR.

Calling BPM Sub Process from another BPM Process - Stuck at Sub Process

Hi
JDeveloper 11.1.1.6, BPM 11.1.1.6, WLS 10.3.6
I am trying to Call a BPM Process from another BPM Process. Both the processes are defined in the same BPM Project.
Both the Processes have 'None' Start and End activities.
The 'Parent Process' has a 'Call Activity' which calls the 'Sub Process'.
The Sub process takes a parameter of payload object as input and returns output (also same payload object)
I have passed the payload object from parent to sub process in the 'Data Associations'.
The Start and End activities in the sub process also have the data associations set where I am passing the payload object from parent process to child process.
When I run the process and see the Enterprise Manager console - Audit Trail / Flow tabs,
Flow Tab - The progress of the process is showing only till the Calling of the sub process in the Parent Process. It does not show the Sub Process.
Audit Trail Tab - Shows that the Sub Process is called but has not reached to the End of the Sub process.
The audit trail does not have links to the sub process activities.
I cannot see any exceptions as well in the audit trail.
How can I find out why the process is stuck? Or what is going on in the process?
Please let me know if my explanation is not clear?
Thanks for any help
Regards
Sameer

Thanks for replying.
I have another Sub Process with Start and End events as Message Events and used Send Task and Receive Task (Implementation : Process Call) in the Main process to invoke the sub process asynchronously.
Then, the Sub Process is shown in the 'Flow Trace' as child of the main process.
In this particular one, I used 'Call Activity' to call the sub process.
So the Audit trail is showing the sub process as a child.
But what I was trying to say is that the audit trail did not have links to the entries in the 'Event' column (in Enterprice manager - instance window). (like Instance entered activity, Instance left activity etc).
I was intending to use these links to see the payload information and try to debug if there is any problem with the code.
The actual problem I was trying to say in the post is that, even after the user responds to the activity (User Task - Approval) in the Sub process,
the audit trail is not proceeding further.
In the Sub process definition, after the user task, there is End with none implementation.
Hope it is clear now.
Thanks and Regards
Sameer

Use of BPM Sub-Process

Hello Experts,
I'm beginner and I wanna know when we will go for BPM sub process.
I know there are two types of process(embedded and reference), but I wanna know when we will go for embedded sub process and for reference sub process.
If possible please share some examples for both the process.
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Sriram

You can use embedded sub-process in BPM when the child process (sub-process) is dependent on the parent process. By this it means that the sub-process cannot execute by itself.
An embedded sub-process cannot have start and end events, although it can have other sub-set of events like timer, escalation and boundary events.
You can use a referenced sub-process when you want to re-use an existing process. A referenced process is an independent process, which can exist of its own. If you want to use that existing process in your BPM Process then you can call it using referenced sub-process. Also make note that your main process will wait till the referenced sub-process completes its flow.
Also if you feel that some process can be re-used by others then you can make it as a separate process and use it in the main process using referenced sub-process. This way others can also re-use the sub-process.

[BPM] Screenflow and Killing Interactive Process Questions

Hi Guys,
I have the following questions:
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I hope someone can help me out with this.
Regards,

Hi,
Sory, but I'm still not sure, how ADF comunicates with BPM (I know that it uses EJB services and hwtaskflow.xml). But a still don't have an answers for follwowing questions:
1) I know ADF quite good. Having method in data controls (in our case getTaskDetails()) we need to invoke it somehow. I don't see anywher invokation of this method.
2) In generated task flow there is some managed beans and params - what is role of them ? Having over 50 task flows , do I need it in all of them. Where can I find description of those beans and params
3) In our approach we use BPM , ADF RC for UI and Business Components to persist data into database. Only data from payload we need is ID of master-level row. My question is - do I have to generate data controls for all human task ?. In my my opinion it should be only one communication point between BPM and ADF but not the same for all pair human task --> task flow.
All infomation I need from BPM is:
- task ID
- task flow name (to open apriopriate tab in my application)
- available outcomes
- to know is BPM operation is enabled
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BPM process and BRM rules process in same development component in NWDS

Hi All,
Is it possible to create the BPM process and BRM rules process in the same development component in NWDS?
I tried but whenever we create it,say,first ly for BPM,that is File-New-Project-Development Component-Process Composer
While once this development component is created I try to create rules composer in the same composer by right clicking on local development component as well as process composer but ther is no option of creating /calling rules composer/rules modeling.
Can you please guide me creating both BPM process and BRM rules composer/rules modeling in the same development component if its possible?
Thanks in advance

Open your project explorer and expand the BPM project you have created. Locate a folder named "Rules" in the Project Tree. Right-click on the Rules folder and select 'Create new rule'. You can model your rules such as rule-scripts here and use it in the BPM.
Note: These rules cannot be used outside the BPM Project.

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