SD Pal to NTSC Pal... using compressor?

I'm a newbie to FCP, but have a couple of questions. I have a show that is cut in Pal with all Pal sources captured in ProRes from various tape sources. I want to convert that into NTSC to version it. I understand compressor is the tool I want to use to create the conversion, but am I best to copy the timeline and change the settings to NTSC, then export it as a quicktime through compressor? I expect to have to check for upper/lower field problems as the original material is from all over, but am not sure of the process of setting up or using compressor.
Thanks for any help

I tried a short timeline in FCP7 using SD and HD (720p) NTSC material and converted to PAL. I was able to use the SHARE menu and File>Send To>Compressor from within FCP and got what look like very good results quickly. I just ran all versions side by side in Quicktime windows with no noticeable difference. Not the best comparison, I know, but its all I had at the moment. Hope this helps clarify a bit.
all the best
Terry

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