SD Rebate settlement in Poland.

Hi all,
I'm about to set up rebate processing in Poland.
According to Polish law, it is not possible to issue a credit note. A correction invoice is required in all cases. In case of rebate settlement, we can't issue a correction invoice for all historical invoices for up to a year.
My question is this:
How do I settle (partial and final settlement) rebate agreements in compliance with Polish law, when I'm not allowed to issue a credit note for an accumulated amount, collected via the normal rebate process?
Can the rebate processing be finalized without creating the credit note and then manually clearing the accrued amounts against an invoice we have asked the customer to sent to us?
I have searched both forums and notes, but unfortunatelly, it seems that there's no instructions about this top be found anywhere?
Please advise.
Thanks in advance,
Flemming Jacobsen

Hi Flemming
First of all Welcome to SDN Forum
If it is not possible to issue Credit Note, as per the Polish Law, then instead of rebate agreement document type, assign correction invoice document type or FD document type to rebate agreement type.So while settling the rebate agreement correction invoice document type or FD document type should come
So, you have to go with a Z program by changing the document types.So kindly get in touch with your ABAP team also by giving this inputs
Regards
Srinath
Edited by: sri nath on Aug 29, 2011 3:26 PM

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