Shifting In&Out points after render

After I color correct my video, certain clips shift after rendering. Anyone else encounter this problem?
FCP 6.
TIA,
Heather

I just noticed that it only happens on longer clips (ie. >30min or so). I broke a clip into 2 sections via Quicktime & the smaller ones now don't seem to have the same problem. Hmm...interesting.

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Clips shift in and out points after render (Dissolves messed up too) Urgent

Hello all, I have a frustrating and urgent problem.
I'm working with DV NTSC footage at 23.98 fps, shot 24pA and captured with the advanced pulldown removal from a dvx100.
The problem arises when I am rendering my footage from a color correction, etc, the in and out points of my shots change and the shot seems to shift. The cut points don't change, but the shot shifts position within them, almost as if rendering has caused final cut to use the slip tool on these and move them ever so slightly forward or backward.
This problem is also effecting my dissolves, causing them to start to dissolve then suddenly jerk into another part of the clip and then back to the shot that it is transitioning to.
I have tried outputting a QT movie of my timeline (in order to color correct that instead and avoid a render), but as you may have guessed, this only results in a QT movie with all of the above problems.
It is very similar, if not the same, as the problem described here: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=8096178&#8096178
I'm under a deadline and any help would be very much appreciated.
Thanks all,
Nathan

I've had that happen before. Crazy as it sounds, I "solved" it by laying a large video file over the top of the timeline (covering everything) then brought the opacity down to 0%. Go figure but it worked; everything straightened out and rendered fine.
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Setting In and Out Points for Render

Hi everyone!
I was wondering how to tell color to only render from and in and out point, instead of rendering for a whole clip. In FCP I take a ten minute capture, then break it up into sub-clips for each shot, and then edit some of these sub-clips into my video.
When some of these sub-clips require correction in Color the sequence gets sent to color just fine, but when it renders my changes it renders it to the whole clip that the sub-clip came from. This takes too much time because I only need the sub-clip to be rendered, not the whole clip, because that's all I use in my video.
How can I fix this extra rendering? Thanks in advance!

I think that you might find the answer to your question on this link below.
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I have a problem with a greenish color shift that takes place after render in color 1.0.1
my material was actuall digitized on a G5 with blackmagic decklink,
then media manag'ed' to apple uncompressed 8 bit 422 on an external drive
then copied to my mac pro, where I have an 8core 3.0, 4Gb, ATI X1900. and AJA Kona LHe with latest drivers...
what is going on?
why is the image different before and after render?
I work in PAL, and the material imported into color was Apple Uncompressed 422 8bit codec... and rendered out as the same 422 8bit uncompressed...
unfortunately I do not have a digibeta deck to capture material directly so I have to rely on capturing at another facility...
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Message was edited by: Elias H

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Try to use 10-bit files instead and make shure to render in color (internal pixel) using 10-bit at least.
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Getting Color to only render between in an out points

When I import into FCP, I generally create slices of my movies between 1 and 5 minutes depending on what is in them. Then I slice them up with multiple in and out points and place them on my time line. This is all good until Color gets in the mix and its very confusing why it does what it does.
It appears that when sending to color and selecting a primary setting and then rendering, it renders the entire length of the clip (5 min in this example) for every single slice created with that mov file. Now before you tell me this makes sense, you'd have to explain why upon rendering it, it chops the entire film off at exactly my in and out points so as to prevent me from doing any further work such as adding a transition or sliding things around using slip edits or anything else.
So to get this straight, it renders the entire 5 minute clip, then chops it off at 5 seconds which was all it had to render to begin with.
So my question you ask? Well, I want to know if there is a way to get Color to chop the clips off before it bothers rendering? As I said, it makes no sense at all what its doing currently.
And my last question, is there a way to get Color to create handles so that if you decided to add a transition later on you could?
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CHOP: "once clips have been color corrected in COLOR, they are no longer associated with the original media in any way"
Right the first time.
There is the "handles" approach that allows a few frames wiggle room.
CHOP "So should I tell the label that it's a 4-step process or too much of a hassle to extend a shot beyond the original edit?"
(This is an after thought: Has a client ever asked you to "dolly back" a little bit more on a clip to include more of the scene in a frame? Just wondering.)
Lets say it takes a bit of planning.
CHOP: "back to a telecine or flame bay...Quality is never cheap $$. "
Also correct. But there are a few of us that have the delusion of working in the "real world"... where are you? Hollywood?
Actually the FCP/COLOR linkage is a bit better than the old tape/daVinci model. Now that was a hassle.
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We cant see what you are doing wrong ...so you will have to tell us a lot more and show us some screen grabs of your settings.

Video after In and Out points Changed

After opening up a video in the Viewer and setting In and Out points, and dragging it back to the Browser afterwards:
1. I tried changing the name of the clip that I dragged back to the Browser, though it changed the names of the other clips in the Browser to the same name. Why?
2. How come when you double-click on the new clip and it shows in the Viewer, it shows the In and Out points as well as the video from the original segment around it. Is this the way it is supposed to be? I thought it was supposed to just display the segment of video starting with the In point and ending with the End point.

1. do some reading in the manual. Might try making the clip independent.
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Is there a way of making either an insert or overwrite edit into
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IN and OUT points in the timeline, rather than just leaving the timeline playhead
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Hi,
Vast confusion. I'm working with edits in a timeline, created from video files that are "Avid Meridien Compressed" Quicktime Files. These are files that I exported from Avid. They are 24P files. The timeline has been set to 23.97, and everything in Video Track 1 makes sense, no problems, no render line because the project compression settings have been set to "Avid Meridien Compressed".
Ok, so here's the problem. I am creating title cards with the video generator in FCP, and trying to super them into my edits by placing them into Video Track 2. But the moment I drop a title card into Video Track 2, (over an edit I have made in Video Track 1), there is a SHIFT in the in and out points of the source video in the timeline. For example, let's say an edit in my timeline has a source in of 02:02:30:17 and an out of 02:02:35:17. The moment I try and drop a title card over this edit in Video Track 2, the source video in Track 1 shifts, so it now begins at 02:02:31:29 and ends at 02:02:36:29.
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Does anyone have any thoughts on why this is occcuring? Does anyone have any suggestions for a remedy? BTW, I have also tried creating title cards in photoshop and dropping them in, but with the same result: it changes the source time code edits by shifting them later into the source video.
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While I was never able to get the Vid Track 2 title cards to stop shifting the edit decisions in Vid Track 1 when using the preset that is in tandem with the actual source video files (Avid Meridien Quicktimes at 23.98), I did find that by changing the Sequence Setting to DV/DVCPRO50 NTSC at 23.98 that I could drop the titles into Vid Track 2 successfully without any skewing of edit decisons. You now have to render the timeline, but a quick test of an MPEG2 export showed that there's no denigration in image quality with using this setting.
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File size extremely high for .avi after render PE 9

I'm very new to PE and have tried to learn quick to redact info (faces etc) in .avi files for a government agency. I was able to open the file (in the trial version) and make the track matte by dragging the original file to the timeline then dragging it again to the video 2 timeline for the top layer, Question 1) is this the same as copy and paste or am I doubling the size already? Anyway, I was able to get the matte and everything done. Now, to Render and save... I choose computer/avi again (I need to keep it the same) and it took 1 hr 45 min to render it, that seemed long to me but maybe not... but mainly the file size was then 100,883 kb! Starting with a 29.7 kb file. This is what my question is about....could this be right? I can't use it if this is what I get. So, here are the particulars as I got G-spot and looked it up, as per serveral suggestions I saw here. I'm trying to understand the CODEC info but I fear I have a ways to go before I can figure out what I did wrong. (This is my test computer, the future work would be done on a newer, better computer). The videos I would be working with come from various sources and will vary in length but will probably all be a kind of avi.
Intel Pentium processor 1600 mhz
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Thanks for you response and the information was very helpful. I was able to choose and output that gave me a good file size and I do want DV-AVI (I don't remember what I chose but it worked) but, I don't see an option for DV-AVI - is that a general DV output selection, because there seem to be numerous (AVCHD, NTSC, DV STANDARD) acronyms (I have tried to understand what each is) which do I want?
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For the use of Track Matte Keying, with say a Gaussian Blur, or maybe Moasic Effect, if you have not altered the In & Out Points, then just dragging the Asset to both Video 1 and Video 2 will work fine. If you HAVE adjusted the In & Out Points, you can just click-drag from the Source Monitor, where you set those In & Out Points, and all is good. The Copy/Paste is just another way to do it.
As you are doing an "overlay," the output File Size will not be affected in any way. You are also limiting the Blur, or Effect on Video 2 to just the area "exposed" by the Track Matte, so the pixel count will not be altered.
As Steve points out, the output CODEC in the AVI will determine the output File Size. File Size is basically determined by the Timeline's Duration and by the Bit-Rate of the output file. With DV-AVI, that Bit-Rate is pretty well set, and your Timeline determines the Duration. At ~ 13GB/hour, a DV-AVI will be pretty large, but that is the nature of the beast. Also, and as Steve points out, if you are going to do additional editing, and will be Importing that file into a New Project, DV-AVI is about as good, as it gets.
Good luck,
Hunt
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