SNP PPM and Co-products

Hello All,
Our design is to have one SNP PPM with more than one output products. Howeverm when there is demand for one product, the receipt for only that product should be generated. For example:
Product A - Demand = 100
Product B - Demand = 0
Product C - Demand = 0
When I run heuristic, I get a planned order of 100 for Product A which is good. But what i am also seeing that manufacture of products for Product B and Product C.
Is there a way to prevent the creation of the manufacture of co-products eventhough the SNP PPM has more than one output components.
Any ideas?
Thanks in advance.

Hi Virendar,
Thanks for the input. But the flag you were suggesting wouldn't really help because all the products that are in PPM are output products and not components. As per my requirement,
If
Product A - Demand = 100
Product B - Demand = 0
Product C - Demand = 0
I need a planned order for only product A and nothing for the other 2 products
If
Product A - Demand = 0
Product B - Demand = 100
Product C - Demand = 0
I need a planned order for only product Band nothing for the other 2 products
And so on and so forth.
Thx

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