SOAP to File !!!!!!!!!!! possible or not??? without BPM

Hello Friends....
WOuld it be possible to implement this scenario without s/a BPM?
If yes, then from where the response would send to SOAP ?
I have created following objects in Repository,
data type for SOAP request
Data type for SOAP response
Data type for File request
Data type for File response(dont know do i need this)
Message types for them
two interface mapping....
outbound sync (soap request and soap response)
inbound sync (file request and file response)
message mapping
soap request to file request
file response to soap response
in interface mapping.... I am confused...what to do in there??
thanks,
Pranav

I want sync communication between SOAP and File...
response could be anything...any constant or just confirmation that data has been sent.
DO i need to use synch/async BPM for this or could i do it without that as well.
what kind of response we get from sync/asyn bridge???

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