Stuck on little CSS positioning glitch in IE6

Got a pesky positioning issue I can't seem to resolve in IE
6. Checks out OK in IE7, FF, Safari, and Opera. XHTML and CSS
validates.
Here's the page:
hwaters.com
In IE6 if you narrow the browser window beyond the width of
the main content some it jumps down the page about 200 pixels (I
believe the distance it's dropping is equal to the height of the
"left_column" div on the far left (containing the nav menu). I've
tried several dozen different tweaks but keep missing the mark.
I guess my objective is simply to prevent IE6 from breaking
the layout when the browser window is narrowed to less than the
full width of the "main_content" div--but maybe I'm misreading
what's actually happening here.
Thanks for your help.
Here's the html:

The easy fix is to set a fixed width on your "main_content"
div, then
its layout is not affected by the width of the browser
window.
HTH,
Randy
> Got a pesky positioning issue I can't seem to resolve in
IE 6. Checks out OK in
> IE7, FF, Safari, and Opera. XHTML and CSS validates.
>
> Here's the page:
http://hwaters.com
>
> In IE6 if you narrow the browser window beyond the width
of the main content
> some it jumps down the page about 200 pixels (I believe
the distance it's
> dropping is equal to the height of the "left_column" div
on the far left
> (containing the nav menu). I've tried several dozen
different tweaks but keep
> missing the mark.
>
> I guess my objective is simply to prevent IE6 from
breaking the layout when
> the browser window is narrowed to less than the full
width of the
> "main_content" div--but maybe I'm misreading what's
actually happening here.

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