Subsequent debit for a vendor before invoice??? (URGENT!!!!!)

hi all,
i want to post subsequent debit for a vendor before invoice. but the system is giving a message "The quantity to be debited/credited cannot be any greater than the quantity invoiced so far."
can anybody tell me how to post subsequent debit before posting the invoice (i haven't got the vendor invoice yet but i must pay the freight cost).

Hi,
Subsequent debit : Rarely, you receive from your vendors invoices or credit memos that refer to transactions that have already been invoiced. Your company wants to use subsequent debits/credits to process these documents. A subsequent debit/credit changes the total invoice value only of a purchase order item but the total invoice quantity remains unchanged.
The processes are:
1) Subsequent credit or even subsequent debit is done when total VALUE" of invoice is changed.
2) Total invoice Quantity is remained same.
3) Only value based transaction takes place & not quantity base.
4) If credit memo is received from memo then subsequent credit is done in MIRO.
For example vendor has submitted invoice of 100 Qty for Rs 1000 & we have posted the invoice & subsequently he realized that he has invoice for higher price i.e. it should have been actually 900 Rs as against Rs 1000 .In this case he will send a credit memo of Rs 100 for which we will be doing subsequent credit.
5) This is done for PO items if an invoice is already posted
6) cannot refer to particular invoice
7) Listed separately in PO history
8) In PO total values is updated but not Quantity.
For ur case you can pay to Vendor(freight cost ) by selecting Planned Delivery Cost instead of Goods/Services items in MIRO T.Code
Regards,
Biju K

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