LIV Subsequent Debit

Dear Guru's
I have a question regarding LIV and Subsequent Debits.
We have a Value Tolerance set of Lower 20% or £50 and upper 2% or £10 (OMR6). I have a Purchase Order for qty 1 Value £1,500. At this point no GR has taken place.
In MIRO I create an Invoice Receipt for Qty 1 at £1,400 and as expected the Invoice is Payment Blocked. Message in MIRO states GR qty equals Zero and Value below Tolerance.
However, If I now do a subsequent Debit for the remaining £100 this does not Block. I understand the value has now matched the PO, but the GR qty is still Zero.
This cause's a problem in that the original Invoice Receipt is still blocked but the Subsequent Debit is available for payment.
Is there any way i can get the Subsequent Debit to automatically Block in the above scenario.
Many Thanks
Paul Gray

A subsequent debit is designed to be used only when you have extra payment to be processed for an invoice that has already been processed and paid. Here you are talking about an invoice that is yet to paid, that is why you are facing this issue. The correct process here is to cancel the unpaid invoice and then post a new invoice for 1500 pounds.

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LIV-Subsequent debit/credit

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- Control access to Subsequent Debit/Dredit transaction via authorization - but can't find auth object
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Try the option of activating IV tolerance control -price variance (OMR6) - subsequent debit/credit will alter the price which can be avoided by invoice tolerance limits.
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Subsequent debit

Dear experts
Below is my company scenario,
We did the GR in reference of PO in Dec.
but now we received a Debit note (stated 1 material is free of charge).
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Hi,
you are trying to post subsequent credit for the PO for which you have not posted the invoice .That is why you are getting this error.
It is mandatory that inovoice must have posted prior to post subsequent debit/credit .In your case you have not posted any invoice ,then you have to use direct posting option to post directly to material or GL account
or First post invoice then post subsequet credit .
hope it clarifies

Vandor crdit memo, subsequent debit memo and subsequent crdit memo

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what is the difference between subsequent debit, credit and credit memo in MIRO transaction.
In case of vendor had given us credit note with relevant to particular for which we had already completed the invoice verification and payment also paid.
in this case what document should i use i.e crdit memo, subsequent credit memo or subsequent debit memo??
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Hi,
Difference between Credit memo and subsequent debits/credits
Subsequent Debits/Credits are used in cases where the quantity is in the original invoice is to remain the same.
Example:
PO 10 - $10
GR 10 - $10
LIV 10 - $11 (Logistics Invoice Verification)
The vendor invoice is more than that in the Purchase Order.
In order to correct, the Vendor may send in another invoice for the Increased amount
or a credit memo for the reduce amount.
If you approve of the price increase,
post the subsequent invoice received as a Subsequent Debit Invoice.
If it is a credit memo that has been received for reducing $1 of invoice price,
then post the credit memo as Subsequent Credit.
This would retain the quantity but reduce the amount.
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eg. if the Vendor decided to credit & only the $1 overcharged.
Credit memo is for the credit of the full amount and value.
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Subsequent debit document type query

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While posting an invoice as subsequent debit, it gets posted as RE document type.WHere can we find this setting in customizing.
Similarly for subsequent credit we have document posted as RA
Rgds,
arjman

Hi
Instead of OMR4, if you use customization navigaion path as below you will understand better.
spro>MM>LIV->incoming invoice>number assignment--->maintain number assignments for accounting document.
click on 3rd option which is document types in invoice verification.click on that. Inside that select T.code MIRO and click details. You can see different document type defaults for different reason.
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Subsequent debit to post to GL instead of vendor account

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We will debit to stock account and credit to vendor account for unplanned charges thru subsequent debit. Due to business requirements to post the unplanned charges to GL account instead of vendor account. The desired entries are debit stock account and credit to GL-prepayment account. Users would like to track the prepayment incurred for the services. Are we able to configure the posting to GL account instead of to vendor account thru subsequent debit? You advice is much appreciated.
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Hi Kang Ring Toh ,
You can do..
In this scnario. you should activate Authorization G/L account tab in MIRO.
spro>MM>LIV->incoming invoice>activate direct posting to GL account
Then in MIRO you You can view the additonal 2 tab will shown.
after enter the PO number you can chooose the G/L account tab & post it to particular G/L Account.
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Subsequent debit, subsequent credit and credit memo?

Dear Gurus,
Kindly explain subsequent debit, subsequent credit and credit memo with one simple example..pls..
Thanks..

Hi,
Subsequent Debits/Credits are used in cases where the quantity is in the original invoice is to remain the same. For eg.
PO 10 - $10
Gr 10 - $10
LIV 10 - $11 (Logistics Invoice Verification)
The vendor invoice is more than that in the Purchase Order. In order to correct, the Vendor may send in another invoice for
the Increased amount or a credit memo for the increased amount.
If you approve of the price increase, post the subsequent invoice received as a Subsequent Debit/Credit Invoice.
If it is a credit memo that has been received, then post the credit memo as Subsequent Debit/Credit.
This would retain the quantity but reduce the amount.
Subsequent Debit/Credit is for the case when the credit is not for the full amount eg. if the Vendor decided to credit
only the $1 overcharged.
Credit memo is for the credit of the full amount and value.
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Subsequent Credit u2013 You receive a credit memo from a vendor decreasing the total invoiced value on a previous invoice, not the total invoiced quantity. You must change the transaction from Invoice to Subsequent credit. It is a reduction of value but not quantity by the amount of the credit memo.
Subsequent Debit u2013 You receive an additional invoice from a vendor because you were undercharged, increasing the total invoiced value, not the total invoiced quantity. You must change the transaction from Invoice to Subsequent debit. It is processed as an increase in value but not the quantity by the amount of the additional invoice.
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Subsequent debit and credit

Dear Sap team
What is the Meaning of subsequent debit and credit. Exactly where we using in MM Point of view. which scenario it will come.
Regards,
G.Bala

Please search forum before posting,lot of threads discussed about subject briefly and also refer sap help documentation
it will you to understand clearly about this topic in LIV.

Subsequent Debit authorization.

Dear Gurus,
If a person has the authority to create invoice using MIRO then does he/she automatically gets the authority to carry out subsequent debit and subsequent credits?

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F_BKPF_BEK account authorization for creditors
F_BKPF_BES account authorization for G/L accounts
F_BKPF_BLA authorization for document types
F_BKPF_GSB authorization for business areas
F_BKPF_KOA authorization for account types
So based on this we can restrict the users.
If Doc type for Subsequent debit and credit is different you can restrict users.
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objects in LIV:
136740 Authorizations for invoice verification in MM
133658 Logistics invoice verification: Authorizations
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Invoice Verification-> Authorization Management (see the documentation
next to the IMG option).
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Subsequent debit - different behaviour for PO based IR and GR based IR

Hy Guys,
i am facing currently a problem with my understanding of system behaviour for GR Based Invoice Verification in combination with Subsequent Debit Postings...
Example 1 - System Behaviour in case of PO based Invoice Verification:
PO with 3000 PC Material XYZ / Price 10 EUR
Goods Receipt for all 3000 Pieces
Goods Issue for 2000 Pieces
Situation is now:
Valuated Material XYZ with Stock Quantity 1000 PC / MAP 10 / Stock Value = 10.000 EUR
Subsequent Debit Posting for 300 EUR / 3000 PC
Result is that Stock Account is debited with 100 EUR / Price Difference with 200 EUR
New Situation is:
Valuated Material XYZ with Stock Quantity 1000 PC / MAP 10,1 / Stock Value = 10.100 EUR
This makes sense to me!!!
Example 2 - System Behaviour in case of GR based Invoice Verification:
PO with 3000 PC Material XYZ / Price 10 EUR
Seperate Goods Receipt for 1000 PC - three times
Goods Issue for 2000 Pieces
Situation is now:
Valuated Material XYZ with Stock Quantity 1000 PC / MAP 10 / Stock Value = 10.000 EUR
Subsequent Debit Posting for 300 EUR / 3000 PC
Result is that Stock Account is debited with 300 EUR (But there are only 1000 PC currently on stock!!!!! - System thinks there are 3000 on stock....)
New Situation is:
Valuated Material XYZ with Stock Quantity 1000 PC / MAP 10,3 / Stock Value = 10.300 EUR
In that case i think system behaviour is wrong, because MAP increased to much.
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Gregor

Hi Gregor,
Wellcome to SCN. Please, see SAP Note 308008 - FAQ: Posting logic: GR/IR clearing account, and related notes.
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Subsequent delivery and subsequent debit

Dear All,
material type: NLAG
account assignemnt (PO): cost center, non valuated GR
Scenario:
1. GR (MIGO) - material_document1, qty 100
2. IR (MIRO) - invoice1 for material_document1, qty 100
> vendor makes correction because qty is more or less than the original
3. GR (MIGO) - material document2 - qty 20 (sum qty for PO item is 120)
4. IR (MIRO) - subsequent_debit1 for 20 pcs
These connections / links should exist:
Material_document1 - invoice1
Material_docuemt2 - subsequent_debit1
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How can I solve this? Is it posible to book the subsequent debit with reference to material_docuement2?
If I create the subsequent invoice it is valid only for material_document1 EVEN IF I do material_document2 as SUBSEQUENT DELIVERY in MIGO (in this case the two material documents are connected). SAP expects an additional invoice for material_document2 (but it is linked to material_docuement1!).
In my opinion it cannot be solved since the debit/credit memo refers to the "original" material document (1) and invoice (1).
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My question was a little bit incoherent...
I wanted SAP to suggest the to-be-credited qty&value automatically in case of returns to vendor - but it's not possible in standard system as per my best knowledge .
Edited by: Csaba Szommer on Mar 4, 2009 9:18 PM
Edited by: Csaba Szommer on Mar 4, 2009 9:22 PM

Hi Bala krishnan,
when there is a price difference this entry would takes place. while reversing the same should be reversed, in your case the system is posting to another account.
please check the account key against the wrong line item ( this you can see with the help of changing layout), then goto OBYC and check the gl accounts assigned against that. To check either it is right or wrong compare with the standard/default company codes settings i.e 0001 co.cd.
Thanks & Regards,
Shashi Kanth.

Import PO subsequent Debit: Taxes not calculated as per tax Code in MIRO

Dear All,
I am facing the problem while taking Subsequent debit (MIRO) of Import PO. I am using service Tax code 10.30 % .
When I entered the amount 4000 INR. It calculated the taxes 348.18 which is not correct.
I also check condition in FV13 its properly maintained.
Thanks in Advance
Regards
Pawan Sarda

Hello
Thanks for ur Reply.
MIRO -- Subsequent Debit -
>Tax code - S3 ( 10.30 % Services Tax) -
>PO NO. -
> change Vendor ( Import Vendor to Domestic Vendor) -
> Amount 4000 INR -
> also change Tax Code of Line Item   -
>Simulate
Vendor A\c -
>   4,348.18 INR Cr
Stock A\c -
> 4,000.00 INR Dr
Service Tax -
>     338.04 INR Dr
ECS             -
>         6.76 INR Dr
HECS          -
>       3.38 INR Dr
Above process I m doing against Import PO but I m not identify why its calculated Wrong Service Tax or calculating on which base amount ?
Actual Entry
Vendor A\c -
> 4,412.00 INR Cr
Stock A\c -
> 4,000.00 INR Dr
Service Tax -
>    400.00 INR Dr
ECS             -
>        8.00 INR Dr
HECS          -
>      4.00 INR Dr
Edited by: pawansarda on Jan 21, 2012 11:41 AM

Subsequent debit for a vendor before invoice??? (URGENT!!!!!)

hi all,
i want to post subsequent debit for a vendor before invoice. but the system is giving a message "The quantity to be debited/credited cannot be any greater than the quantity invoiced so far."
can anybody tell me how to post subsequent debit before posting the invoice (i haven't got the vendor invoice yet but i must pay the freight cost).

Hi,
Subsequent debit : Rarely, you receive from your vendors invoices or credit memos that refer to transactions that have already been invoiced. Your company wants to use subsequent debits/credits to process these documents. A subsequent debit/credit changes the total invoice value only of a purchase order item but the total invoice quantity remains unchanged.
The processes are:
1) Subsequent credit or even subsequent debit is done when total VALUE" of invoice is changed.
2) Total invoice Quantity is remained same.
3) Only value based transaction takes place & not quantity base.
4) If credit memo is received from memo then subsequent credit is done in MIRO.
For example vendor has submitted invoice of 100 Qty for Rs 1000 & we have posted the invoice & subsequently he realized that he has invoice for higher price i.e. it should have been actually 900 Rs as against Rs 1000 .In this case he will send a credit memo of Rs 100 for which we will be doing subsequent credit.
5) This is done for PO items if an invoice is already posted
6) cannot refer to particular invoice
7) Listed separately in PO history
8) In PO total values is updated but not Quantity.
For ur case you can pay to Vendor(freight cost ) by selecting Planned Delivery Cost instead of Goods/Services items in MIRO T.Code
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Dear SAP Experts,
I am in search of the Document type (Sales) , though which there can be subsequent debit credit to the billing document (Which is already posted to accounting) and the new accounting document should be created with the invoice reference as the Acc. Document of the original billing Doc:
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Next Subsequent Credit :   Billing document (F2)
Accounting Document 220056537292 (DZ)    But in the INV. Ref: there should be 22000089789
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A S

Dear SAP Consultant,
If, I have understood correctly, This is because,
Accounting Document 220056537292 (DZ) is your Collection-Document (DZ - is Collection Doc.type against Billing Doc. Type - BL) against your BIlling DOc. No : 90666767 (F2)
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Note: I was not clear with your doubt, while replying, so if its not related to your query, Please excuse.

Subsequent debit tax calculating wrong

dear guru
while doing subsequent debit for the vendor the Excise duty is calculating wrong
my issue is like this
i have purchase 100 quty with value 10/kg total amount is 1000 for that
ED is calculated 140
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next vendor will send the suplimentry invocie because the rate is increase for that 50 quantiy, for that i will do J1IH for the additional excise and i will do MIRO subsequent debit for the rate increse in miro the tax amount is calculating wrong, ie
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My understanding about the Input Tax and Output Tax was wrong. In the issue reported
Input Tax Calculation should be:
Vendor A/C.............. Cr 30000-
Expense A/C............ Dr 29100
Input Tax A/C............ Dr 900 (@3% on 30000)---my understanding was wrong.
Input Tax 3% should be charged on Expense amount, in this case Rs 30000. But because in the editing option calculate tax on net amount option was not selected, hence SAP was giving the below entry, which is correct as well.
Vendor A/C.............. Cr 30000-
Expense A/C............ Dr 29126.21
Input Tax A/C............ Dr 873.79 (@3% on 29126.21) which is correct.
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Correct Entry should be:
Vendor A/C...............Cr 30900
Expense A/C............Dr 30000
Input Tax A/C............Dr 900
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