Syncing DAT audio to a edited timeline

Our project is shot in 24P advanced.
Because of a deadline we had to use audio from the camera.
Now we are ready to sync audio with the DAT tapes.
I am very ignorant to this process.
Will I have to go from clip to clip in the edited timeline syncing up audio or is there a more efficient way to attack this process.
Any help or thoughts will be greatly received...

Hi Bob-
Unless you sync jammed timecode at the shoot, you will have to sync up the pld-fashioned way - slates. I am assuming here that you slated every shot...
N

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