T440p secondary HDD spins down

Hello,
In my T440p, I replaced the HDD with a SSD, and put the HDD in a caddy (bought from hddcaddy.com). My problem is that after booting, right at the Windows login-screen, the HDD spins down ~1 out of 5 times. I can't find it in disk management after that happens. When the HDD does keep spinning after login, it works fine.
What I know is that the cause of the problem isn't the caddy, neither the HDD. HDDcaddy sent me a second caddy, and I tried with different HDD's. So it must be software-related.
I played around in the BIOS, but nothing seemed to work. (BTW, instead of the 'ThinkPad' loading screen, I now have a 'Lenovo' loading screen while booting. What's causing that?)
Does anybody experiences the same problem as me? Because I couldn't find anything on the forum. Help is appreciated.
Greetings
ThinkPad T440p 20AN006VMH - Win 8.1 - i7 4700MQ - SSD: 250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (internal) - 500 GB SATA 7200rpm (HDD caddy)

My T440p has a spinner in a Lenovo Ultrabay, the system drive is a Toshiba SSD that I ordered with the system. I do not have the same problem.
Some differences in setup, however: I use fingerprint authentication at boot, that carries through to Windows login, and I am using Win 7 Pro.
I set the drive timeout to spin it down purposely once Windows is loaded, but otherwise it starts spinning and stays spinning on power up.

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I don't know if anyone will click on this since I already marked it solved, but I will try it and then if not I'll start a new thread. Just don't want to clutter up the forum if I don't need to.
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