The feel of the thinkpad keyboard...

hi all,
i am not sure about you guys but for those that used some previous version of the thinkpad such as the t500 or in my case the w700....the keyboard back then was perfect. the sound of the keys was soft and the force feedback of the keys were equal on each key and were not "clicky". For some reason, the new thinkpad keyboard such as the t510 has a different feel and it isnt for the better in my opinion. anybody else feel that these new thinkpad's keyboards are different? as for the engineers, were there some design changes with the newer models of the thinkpad in the keyboard which made them cheaper? because i think they feel cheaper now
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My t520 is my first lenovo/thinkpad product.
I was previously using a $4,000 Sony vaio laptop that I won at a sweepstakes and I'm loving my Thinkpad and the build quality is much better, of course I have no experience with older models but I'm extremely satisfied with my t520.
The keyboard to me feels excellent too.

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