Third party plant

Hi All,
Of late, I heard a term "Third party plant".
What is meant by "Third party plant"?
Is it a word to refer our consignment vendor?
Kindly clarify.
Regards,
Raja Durai

Dear Raja,
Yes you can create a Plant as a customer. But just think in a way that if in future multiple dealers will be there then are you going to create all of them as Plant?
Another point why you would like to create is Excise registered? It is not a physical plant correct?
When you will show material movement from your Manufacturing Plant to this Third party plant via STO at that time itself excise will be applied correct?
I have a view that you can maintain Plant as DEPOT with RG23D register maintenance when it is actually a physical location. In this case, it is like a logical plant so Excise registration should not be needed.
If my understanding is wrong please correct me.
Regards,
MJ.

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Hi,
When i am trying to convert Third party purchase requisition NB created through Sales order
to Stock transport order to transfer the material from other plant i am getting following error
Error Message
Third-party not defined in the case of vendor with plant assignment
   essage no. 06769
    You are entering a purchase transaction involving a vendor to whom a
    plant has been assigned. Normally, this will involve the transfer of
    materials from one plant to another.
    This process necessitates a delivery and a billing document in the SD
    system. The PO appears directly in the delivery due list of the issuing
    plant (vendor) and therefore does not need to be transmitted.
    However, an item with the procurement form "third-party" (triangular
    business deal) cannot appear in the delivery due list.
    An item with the procurement form "third-party" can only be ordered from
    vendors without a plant assignment.
Anybody has any suggestions on this scenario
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Hi Niel,
You don't need to create an STO. If you create a normal sales order with delivering plant B, they will see it in their delivery due list or MD04 or whatever. And it doesn't matter for this purpose that the plants belong to different comp. codes. This will only matter after the delivery to the customer - VF01 (or VF04) with reference to the delivery will bill the customer (comp. code A is billing); then another VF01 will generate inter-company billing document where company B charges comp. A.
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Third-party not defined in the case of vendor with plant assignment ?

We use a Third-Party Vendor to direct-ship some products directly to our Customers.
When transfers third party order form's PR STO PO, prompts the following information
Third-party not defined in the case of vendor with plant assignment
Message no. 06769
Diagnosis
You are entering a purchase transaction involving a vendor to whom a plant has been assigned. Normally, this will involve the transfer of materials from one plant to another.
This process necessitates a delivery and a billing document in the SD system. The PO appears directly in the delivery due list of the issuing plant (vendor) and therefore does not need to be transmitted.
However, an item with the procurement form "third-party" (triangular business deal) cannot appear in the delivery due list.
Procedure
An item with the procurement form "third-party" can only be ordered from vendors without a plant assignment.
how should solve?
Many thanks, Adny.
Edited by: Andy Yao on Feb 8, 2010 3:58 AM

Hi Andy
Why u doing stock transfer order,in third party sales there is no stock transfer
Follow below procees for third party sales( Vendor ship materials directly to customer)
Create Sales order(Use item category TAS) >>> Purachase requisition(Automatically from order) >>> Purchase order >>> Vendor Invoice Verification >>> Invoice to customer
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I was trying to activate the functionalty for statistical GR in third party but STUCK due to following issues. For enabling this functionaltity I have checked "Goods Reciept" and "GR Non-Valuated" check in "Delivery tab" of PO.
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i have raised a sales order with 630 units of a third party material, followed by
630 units of Tata Swach Crystal were sold to M/s Friendu2019s Combine Indore (Madhya Pradesh) through third party sale order from TWGZ plant (Uttarpradesh) on 30/11/2011.
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Firstly, let me request you not to disclose the Client's business details (like Customer Name, Vendor Name, Material Name, Plant codes, etc) on Public Forums.
Now, coming to your question, there are many angles to your question.
1. The Transaction has happened sometime in November 2010 & you too would know that MM & FI Periods would be closed by now.
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I have already posted MIRO without any error and 5600142351 no. generated.
Now i am mooving towards VL10G and putting all value but sytem not accepting the value and giving any determination rule.
even i gone for VL04 but system not supported .
please advise me what sort of procedure i have to follow next with transaction codes.
Wishes ur Kind reply.
treat urgent
thanks in advance
m,k.

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The Process of third party is as follows:
Customer gives order to our company and the product which he ordered is dispatched through one of our vendor or supplier directly to customer place and once we receive pod from Customer we charge him.
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1. Create sales order
2. W.r.t to Purchase Requistion create Purchase order.
3.Do Statistical MIGO and then MIRO
4.Do Billing W.r.t Sales Order
As Materials are not coming to plant need not to do any Delivery Document in SAP.

Third party process:Billing relevance 'B' order related and 122

I am facing the following problem: in Order related Billing according to order qty, the sales order bills what has been received on the third party PO in MM.
The following situation occurs: When I order 100, receive 100 and Bill 100: The sales order is fully billed. When I later return a quantity to the vendor in MM with a 122 referring to the PO, the sales order remains fully billed. There is no way I can find out which Sales order needs to be take action on (credit). Can someone help me finding out how I can select these sales orers after a 122?

Ok, no problem.
At the client we have a very specific flow where receipts on a third party PO need to be billed daily when they happen and every receipt (better: any goods movement) needs a seperate billing document.
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1) Go to the billing due list daily at 0:00
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THIRD PARTY SCENARIO
in third-party order processing, your company does not deliver the items requested by a customer. Instead, you pass the order along to a third-party vendor who then ships the goods directly to the customer and bills you. A sales order may consist partly or wholly of third-party items. Occasionally, you may need to let a vendor deliver items you would normally deliver yourself.
Process Flow
the processing of third-party orders is controlled via material types. Material types define whether a material is produced only internally can be ordered only from third-party vendors, or whether both are possible. For example, a material that is defined as a trading good can only be ordered from a third-party vendor. However, if you manufacture your own finished products, you may also want, from time to time, to be able to order the same type of product from other vendors.
Processing Third-Party Orders in Sales
Third-party items can be created automatically by the system, depending on how your system is set. However, you can also change a standard item to a third-party item during sales processing manually.
Automatic third-party order processing:-
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Manual third-party order processing
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If, as an exception, you use a third-party material, change the entry TAN to TAS in the ItCa field when processing the sales document. The item is then processed as third-party item.
If address data for the ship-to party is changed in the sales order in third-party business transactions, the changed data will automatically be passed on to purchase requisition and also to the purchase order ,if one already exists. In the purchase order, you can display the address data for the ship-to party in the attributes for the item.
You can only change the address data for the ship-to party in the sales order for third-party business transactions, and not in the purchase order.
Processing Third-Party Orders in Purchasing
when you save a sales order that contains one or more third-party items, the system automatically creates a purchase requisition in Purchasing. Each third-party item in a sales order automatically generates a corresponding purchase requisition item. During creation of the requisition, the system automatically determines a vendor for each requisition item. If a sales order item has more than one schedule line, the system creates a purchase requisition item for each schedule line.
Purchase orders are created from purchase requisitions in the usual way. For more information about creating purchase orders, see the Purchasing documentation. During creation of the purchase order, the system automatically copies the delivery address of your customer from the corresponding sales order. In a sales order, you can enter purchase order texts for each third-party item. When you create the corresponding purchase order, the texts are automatically copied into the purchase order. The number of the purchase order appears in the document flow information of the sales order.
All changes made in the purchase order are automatically made in the sales order as well. For example, if the vendor confirms quantities and delivery dates different from those you request and enters them in the purchase order, the revised data is automatically copied into the sales order
you process third-party items by creating a normal sales order. In overview for the order, you can then overwrite the default item category (TAN in the standard system) with the special item category for third-party items: TAS
Billing Third-Party Orders
If relevance for billing indicator for the item category has been set to B (relevant for order-related billing on the basis of the order quantity) in Customizing, the system includes the order in the billing due list immediately. If, however, the indicator has been set to F (relevant to order-related billing on the basis of the invoice quantity), the system does not include the order in the billing due list until an invoice from the vendor has been received and processed by the purchasing department. In the standard system, item category TAS (third-party order processing) has been given billing-relevance indicator F.
In the first case, the third-party order is considered to be completely billed only when the invoiced quantity equals the order quantity of the sales order item. In the second case, each time a vendor invoice is received, a customer invoice is created for the quantity in the vendor invoice and the order is considered to be fully invoiced until the next vendor invoice is received.
If you have activated billing-relevance indicator F for item categories in Customizing, billing can refer to the goods receipt quantity instead of the incoming invoice quantity.
You can control whether the invoice receipt quantity or the quantity of goods received is relevant for billing in Customizing for copying control for billing at item level.
FOR YOUR PROCESS Individual Purchase Orders WELL GIVE THE RIGHT SOLUTION
Individual purchase orders are used when your customer orders goods from you that are not in stock and must be ordered from one or more external vendors.
Process Flow
During sales order entry, the system automatically creates a purchase requisition item. The purchasing department creates a purchase order based on the requisition and the vendor ships the goods directly to you (unlike third party order processing, where the vendor ships directly to your customer). You then ship the goods to your customer. While the goods are part of your inventory, you manage them as part of the sales order stock. Sales order stock consists of stock that is assigned to specific sales orders and cannot be used for other purposes.
Process Flow for 3rd Party Sales
Customize the third party sales in summary:
Prerequisites for 3rd party sales,
Purchasing org,
purchasing group,
assign the Purchase org to company code
assign Purchase org to plant,
should not maintain the stock in material, it should be trading goods,
1. Create Vendor XK01
2. Create Material Material Type as "Trading Goods". Item category group as "BANS".
3. Assign Item Category TAS to Order type that you are going to use.
4. A sale order is created and when saved a PR is generated at the background
5. With reference to SO a PO is created (ME21N). The company raises PO to the vendor.
6. Vendor delivers the goods and raises bill to company. MM receives the invoice MIRO
7. Goods receipt MIGO
8. Goods issue
9. The item cat TAS or Schedule line cat CS is not relevant for delivery which is evident from the config and, therefore, there is no delivery process attached in the whole process of Third party sales.
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Our Business would like to outsource the Stationary materials to supply the required materials directly to requester.
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Creating a Third-Party Item Manually
To enter a third-party item in a purchase order without an SD order or purchase requisition, proceed as follows:
Enter a third-party item manually in the same way as the purchase requisition.
After entering the account assignment, you receive a screen in which you can enter the address of the sold-to party.
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Setting the Goods Receipt Indicator
The account assignment category X in the Customizing system of Purchasing determines whether a goods receipt can be posted for a third-party item. Here you define whether a goods receipt is possible, not allowed or compulsory.
If a goods receipt is possible, the GR indicator in the purchase order item is changeable. When you enter the purchase order, you decide if a goods receipt is to be posted or not.
Mat Type can be use ROH or Trading
For Return you can do return to your plant or ask vendor to pivk and replace the goods or issue the creadite to customer and take from vendor

Third party process in MM

Hi friends,
i need all your help in configuring third party process in MM.please guide me by giving step by step process with t-codes.
your advise is considdered more valuable.
Regards,
william

Hi,
Process Flow for Third party process with SD-MM Integration
Customiztion requires is
1) Defining the Purchasing org,Purchasing group,
2) Assign the Purchase org to company code
3) Assign Purchase org to plant,
Material type used should be Trading goods -- HAWA
1. Create Vendor XK01
2. Create Material with Material Type as "Trading Goods" & Item category group as "BANS".
3. Assign Item Category TAS to Sales Order type
4. Sale order is created and in the background a PR is generated
Note down the PR number along with Sale order no
5. With reference to PR a PO is created (ME21N).
PO will be sent to the Vendor with delivery address as your Customer.
6. Vendor delivers the goods to the Customer and raises Invoice to the Plant.
7. Goods receipt MIGO & stock update in the Plant ( Not physically)
8. MIRO for Vendor to clear the Payment
9. Create the outbound delivery for sales order
10. Post Goods issue for delivery
11. Billing for the customer
rgds
gsc

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