Third Party Process - forcing PO creation after error

Hello eveybody,
I am implementing the Third Party Process and everything is going well but I have a question. If I enter say 10 items on a sales order and one material does not have an info record/source list then that item does not get entered on the purchase req. This then blocks the automatic creation of the PO.
If I fix the problem material and re-enter it on the SO, then that item gets ordered but the other 9 are not processed. Is there nany way to force the PO creation for the other 9 items ??
Many thanks in advance.
Brian

Hi Stanton,
When you precess the third party order the purchase requesition will be created to the respective schedule lines so you can get the two different purcahse requesition for the 10 items then you can combine those two purchase requesitions in the purchase order what is the issue.
or you can run another PO for that problem item.
I hope it will not give any problem while creating PO
Thanks,
Murali.

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Third party process - error

Dear all,
In the third party process, have we to create outbound delivery?
I have created PO from PR of a third party sales order. And now, i don't understand to delivery to customer.
Pls tell me solution.
If we have to create outbound delivery from that sales order, i get errors:
Item category TAS is not defined and Item category TAS is not defined, so item 000010 will be disregarded. I also checked in VOV4, VOV6, VOV7.
Thank you,

Hi
In third party scenario the material is delivered to your customer thro out side vendor
You are billing your customer
Vendor is billing you for the material he has delivered to your customer
Here we dont make any delivery
Process Flow for 3rd Party Sales
Customize the third party sales in summary:
1. Create Vendor XK01
2. Create Material u2013 Material Type as "Trading Goods". Item category group as "BANS".
3. Assign Item Category TAS to Order type that you are going to use.
4. A sale order is created and when saved a PR is generated at the background
5. With reference to SO a PO is created (ME21N). The company raises PO to the vendor.
6. Vendor delivers the goods and raises bill to company. MM receives the invoice MIRO
7. Goods receipt MIGO
8. Goods issue
9. The item cat TAS or Schedule line cat CS is not relevant for delivery which is evident from the configuration and,   therefore, there is no delivery process attached in the whole process of Third party sales.
10. Billing
SD - 3rd party sales order Create Sales Order
VA01
      Order Type
      Sales org, distribution channel, div
      Enter
      Sold to
      PO #
      Material
      Quantity
      Enter
      Save
SD - 3rd party sales order View the PR that is created with a third party sales order
VA01
      Order Number
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      Item ->Schedule Item
SD - 3rd party sales order View the PR that is created
ME52N
      Key in the PR number
      Save
SD - 3rd party sales order Assign the PR to the vendor and create PO
ME57
      Key in the PR number
      Toggle the "Assigned Purchase Requisition"
      Execute
      Check the box next to the material
      Assign Automatically button
      Click on "Assignments" button
      Click on "Process assignment"
      The "Process Assignment Create PO" box , enter
      Drag the PR and drop in the shopping basket
      Save
SD - 3rd party sales order Receive Goods
MIGO_GR
      PO Number
      DN Number
      Batch tab , click on classification
      Serial Numbers tab
      Date of Production
      Flag Item OK
      Check, just in case
      Post
      Save
SD - 3rd party sales order Create Invoice
MIRO
      Invoice Date
      Look for the PO , state the vendor and the Material
      Check the box
      Click on "Copy"
      Purchase Order Number (bottom half of the screen)
      Amount
      State the baseline date
      Simulate & Post
      Invoice Number
      *Invoice blocked due to date variance
SD - 3rd party sales order Create a delivery order
VL01N
      In the order screen , go to the menu Sales Document , select "Deliver"
      Go to "picking" tab
      State the qty and save
SD - 3rd party sales order Create a billing document
VF01
      Ensure that the delivery document is correct in the
      Enter
      Go to edit -> Log
      Save
Hope the process is very clear to you now
Regards
Raja
Edited by: ramanathan raja on Sep 18, 2008 3:06 PM

Error while doing GR in third party process

Dear Friends,
While doing Third party process, at GR (w.r.t. inbound delivery) the following message appears Purchase order 4500000087 has no items and stops creating GR. But the P.O has the Item. Do have any clue?
Thanks,
Hari.

Hi Hariharan,
In standard third party process you won't get the goods physically they are delivered by your vendor directly to your customer. In this process there's no meaning of creating inbound delivery I guess...
You can do statistical goods receipt ('ghost GR' as it was called by someone in SD forum) but even this GR isn't a must (it's based on your invoicing scenario).
I'm not sure but I'm afraid you cannot create inbound delivery for it if your settings are proper.
BR
Csaba

Intercompany invoice not getting created in third party processing

Dear Gurus !
I am facing a problem in creating the intercompany invoice in case of third party order processing.
In our organisation , for any type of sale two billing documents are creared :
1) Commercial Invoice under the co. code for which sales org. is maintained at the sales order bookin level .
2) Intercompany Invoice under the co. code in which plant is maintained which is used at the sales order level as delivering plant.
So, as per the configuration req. for third party processing , i have created Sales order ( with automatic Purchase requistion generated ) , Purchase order creation with reference to the Purchase requisition , goods reciept ( MIGO ) and invoice reciept ( MIRO ) , then billing doc. or commercial invoice ( VF01 ) with the generation of accounting document and finally the intercompany invoice ( VF01 ) .
But i am facing the problem in final stage , that is , intercompany invoice creation .
Error Message : No open billing quantity has been determined .
I have checked the copy control for sales order to intercompany invoice and still not able to resolve it .
Please reply which setting needs to be done for this .
Awaiting your response , that what copy control settings is required .
Thanks .....

Hi Buddi / Mahesh / Kiran ,
It ' s good to see all of your opinion . But my problem has not been resolved .
I am implementing third party processing in my organisation , where the customer is an export customer ( outside India ) . Hence , this is a merchant export .
All the configurations / Customisations have been done for this process .
The process is running fine till commercial invoice , but the problem is in intercompany billing doc. creation.
I am again repeating - Error message : No open billing quantity has been determined.
Explanation of the process :
1) The order has been booked with item category TAS alongwith the item cat. group as BANS for the material used in the order .
2) The sales area is 1020 / 30 / 35 . Here , 1020 is sales org . under company code 0079 , 30 is export's distribution channel and 35 is the division for components .
3) The delivering plant used in the sales order is 1009 which is under co. code 0077. The price / condition record maintained for this material is in USD / EUR as it is a case of merchant export .
4) The purchase requisition is generated automatically when the order is saved . It can be seen at VA02 - > Item details - > Schedule Lines .
5) With the help of this PR no. , i have created a purchase order for vendor which is maintained under co. code 0077 asking for material in plant 1009 which we need to export / supply to the customer.
6) The value of material per piece in the P.O. is coming from the material master record -> Accounting 1 view - > Moving av. Price .
7) Now, the Purchase order is saved . With the help of this P.O. no. , goods reciept ( MIGO )is done .
8) After MIGO , Invoice reciept or MIRO is done under company code 0077.
9) After MIRO , customer ' s invoice is created through VF01 .
Remember : This is an order relevant billing , no delivery or PGI will happen here because the material is not coming into the plant 1009 .
10)The billing document ( order - related billing doc.) is created and the accounting document is also created under co. code 0079 in USD .
Till this stage , everything is running successfully as per business requirement , but i am facing the problem in the final stage , that is creation of intercompany invoice under co. code 0077 which is in INR .
In all other sales document types used in our industry , the process is same , that is : a) Sales order creation b) Delivery and PGI c) Billing doc. creation with accounting doc. under co. code 0079 and finally d) Intercompany invoice with accounting doc. under co. code 0077 and excise invoice creation with reference to intercompany invoice.
In the above, problem is not there becuase orde is delivery relevant , hence copy control is maintained for interco. billing to delivery type.
But in the new process , that is , third party processing , sales order relevant billing is done . so i suppose there will be a copy control for intercompany billing and sales doc. type , but i am not able to resolve it .
Hence , please understand the process before suggesting .
Thanks and awaits reply........

Third Party Processing in SRM 4.0

Hi,
We are working on Third Party Processing in SRM4.0 & SAP R/3 4.7.
We were able to transfer the Third party Requisition from Backend R/3 to SRM 4.0 Sourcing Cockpit as an External Requirement.
When we try to process the Third Party External Requirement to create a PO in Sourcing Cockpit, the system is not identifying the Customer Number as a Business Partner in SRM 4.0 and it is throwing a dump with the error message <b>'Partner xxxxxxxxxx not found'</b>
Please help us to understand the procedure for replicating the Backend R/3 Customer Masters and its Address into SRM 4.0
Where can i find documentation for Third Party Processing in SRM 4.0 as i could not find anything in SAP Help
Please do let me know if you need any details/clarifications
Thanks in advance
Regards,
Sunil

Hi Vitthavat,
All you have done is fine.
As per you SO - PR is already automated, now to automate PO creation from PR:
Do the following thing:
1. Activate u2018Automatic PO' indicator for material master
2. Activate u2018Automatic PO' indicator for vendor master
3. The purchase requisitions with vendor assignments are converted into POs by a batch job using transaction ME59/ME59N and ABAP program with requisite parameters.
This ensures automatic creation of POs.
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Your problem will be solved.
Regards,
Anirban Roy

Problem in third party processing billing document

dear all,
I am facing problem in creating the billing document for third party processing.
The error is : Item category ZEXM TAS cannot be invoiced by using billing type ZFAZ.
I think the problem is in copy control for billing document item . Kindly tell the solution.
Thanks...

Dear Buddi ,
Now , the billing document is getting saved after changing the copy control for item category.
But , the system is giving error ( The accounting document is not generated ) .
I have checked all the settings in VKOA against the account keys maintained in pricing procedure for this merchant exports case.
One another problem related to this issue is : Which setting is required to capture the Price maintained in item - > conditions at the VA01 level in EUR or USD . I have maintained the condition record in EUR in VK11 , but still while making order , the error is coming mandatory condition type ZBPR( Basic Price ) is missing .
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Re Third Party Processing Interview Questions

Hai Friends
This is the similar type of Questions I faced in the interview.
a. Explain the third party process
b. What is the item category used?
c. How will a PR or a PO get created automatically? What are the settings required?
d. Is it necessary to make a Goods Receipt before creating the Invoice Receipt? What are the setting involved?
e. When does a customer invoice get created?
pl mail me the solutions to these Questions to my mail id <REMOVED>
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        Yathish K

Hi
Third party order processing is as follows:
Assume three companies X, Y and Z
X - The company,
y - The customer
Z - Vendor
When ever X gets a PO from Y to supply some goods, X has an option of either manufacturing those goods or procuring those goods.
If he is procuring the goods, there are two methods that are generally followed:
Method 1) After receiving the PO from Y, X creates a sales order against Y.
Now at the same time he also creates a PO to a vendor Z to produce the goods
Z produces the goods and supplies to X
X receives the goods from Z
Then X delivers the same goods to Y.
After that X invoices Y and Z invoices X.
Note : Here there is no direct/ Indirect relation between Z and Y.
This process is known as Trading Process. and the Material here is created with Material type HAWA.
The other method is a Third party order processing method:
Here the glaring difference is that instead of Z supplying the material to X and X in turn supplying the same material to Y.
X authorizes Z to supply the material to Y on his behalf and notify him once the delivery is complete.
Now Z supplies the material to Y and acknowledges the same to X.
Z will send a copy of delivery acknowledgement and invoice to X.
After receiving the delivery confirmation and invoice from Z, X has to verify the invoice and this process is known as invoice verification and is done in SAP through Tcode MIRO.
The next step for X is to create an invoice and submit to Y
Only after the invoice verification document is posted then only X can create an invoice for Y.
This is the business flow that is followed for third party order configuration.
There are few steps that have to be configured to enable the system to function as mentioned above.
Step1)
If you are always followwing a third party process for a material then you have to create the material using item category group BANS.
The procument type should be marked as External procurement (F) in MRP 2 view of the material master record.
if you are not always allowing third party order processing then u can create a material master record with item category group as NORM and the procurement type should be marked as ( X) meaning both types of procurment ( in house manufacturing and external procurement).
step 2)
the item category in the order should be manually changed as TAS.
For that you need to confugure the item category determination
ord type + item cat grp + usge + Hiv level = Item cat + Manual item cat
OR + NORM +      +       = TAN . + TAS
OR + BANS +       +       = TAS
Step 3)
make sure that during the item category configuration for TAS you need to mark relevnat for billing indicator as F
step 4)
The schedule line cateogry for this type should be CS.
make sure that you mark subsequent type as NB - purchase requisition in this schedule line category as this will trigger the purchase requision order immediately after the creation of the sales order and the PO to vendor is created against this purchase requiesion.

Logical GR in Third Party Process

Hi Friends
There is logical GR involved in third party process. What if we do not want to trigger it?

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[stock not updating after doing MIGO (gr) for third party sales |stock not updating after doing MIGO (gr) for third party sales;
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Third Party Process and Inventory

We are using the SAP function "Third-Party Processing". We are using the function in it's standard (SAP R/3 4.7).
The auditor now has the following issue: Shipping the goods starts after paying the goods. Out of this, while shipping the goods, we are the owner of them. In this circumstance the ship is our warehouse.
SAP does not allow an Inventory Management within Third-Party Processing:
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Let me explain in detail what is wrong out of the view of our auditor:
For example we initiated the order of a customer in June and we have paid the goods in June. The shipment starts in June and the goods will arive in July. Due to the fact, that we are the owner of the goods on the ship, we have to increase the stock. This is the opinion of our auditor.
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Some auditors just dont understand the SAP process. Instead of talking to weak users, they should talk to SAP directly.
What about shipments from standard sales orders that are shipped end of June and do arrive at the customer in July?
When do you bill your customer? when the goods arrives there, or earlier? Depending on the Incoterms you may still be the owner until the truck is unloaded.
If you change your process and post goods receipt to your warehouse, then you show inventory where no physical inventory is, you posted a goods receipt without a physical receipt. I am sure the next auditor will not allow such therotical process.
Get together, IT consultants of FI and MM and SD, strong business people for the same modules and the auditor, and discuss and find an optimal solution.And let the auidor sign the decision paper!!! Very important, I recently had to convice German auditors because they had different opinion than the Australian and US auditors of the same auditing company (and the issue had nothing to do with local legal requirements).

Third party process with Valuated sales order stock

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We have third party sales order process with valuated sales order stock. The problem is that in the theird party PR which is triggered directly from the sales order it determines a stock account which is assigned to the BSX key in OBYC.
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V S

Hi,
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Chris

Third party process as inventory value

Dear Experts,
Kindly need help for third party process.
We have third party process which triggered from Sales Order. This Sales Order will automatically created PR. PR will be convert into PO.
The issue is we would like to have goods in Sales Order (or Purchase Order in next process) as inventory value when receiving goods.
Can third party process be treated as inventory value when receiving it?
Thank you in advance.
Best Regards,

In third party process your customer gets the goods directly from your vendor.
You only make a statistical GR ("phantom" GR) in the system, the goods are physically received by your customer and your customer's inventory will increase after your customer's GR and not yours. Knowing this your question doesn't make any sense I think.
If your third party process is not a real third party process and you receive the goods physically and after that you sell it your customer you can use individual PO scenario.
http://help.sap.com/erp2005_ehp_04/helpdata/EN/dd/5601d4545a11d1a7020000e829fd11/frameset.htm
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Hello Friends,
Need Your Inputs for below issue"
in third party process: SO is created with 2 line items, -->PR-->PO--> Vendor delivers only 1 item and MIRO is done for it,
But
During Creation of Customer invoice Both Line items are considered in the Invoice(F2)
1st line item with the Value of X Rs, and 2nd Line item with zero value ( as there is no delivery done to customer and hence no invoice via MIRO)
Requirement is:
The 2nd Line item should not be considered at all during Customer invoice creation.
Item cate used is TAS with billing relevance F (i,e standard config)
Kinldy help
regards

hello srinu..
SO is created with 2 line items, PR is auto created. 1 PO is created (with 2 line items)
MIRO is done w.r.t PO line item 10 only,
then when i create customer invoice from SO i get 2 line items, for 1st line item there is value populated. 2nd line item has zero value,
The requirement is that if there is no Processing of SO for line item 2 ,, then it should not be populated in the customer invoice.
Regards

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To enter a third-party item in a purchase order without an SD order or purchase requisition, proceed as follows:
Enter a third-party item manually in the same way as the purchase requisition.
After entering the account assignment, you receive a screen in which you can enter the address of the sold-to party.
Enter either the customer number or a delivery address.
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The account assignment category X in the Customizing system of Purchasing determines whether a goods receipt can be posted for a third-party item. Here you define whether a goods receipt is possible, not allowed or compulsory.
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We will place goods at customer premises at the time of goods receipt with purchase order reference. In this flow will place goods to customer place directly. Why should I go once again goods issue to customer and which document reference can I do.
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Hi
In Third party scinerio their is no need to issue stock to customer or vendor,
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