Time Machine vs cloning HD

With previous OS X versions, I've been using Carbon Copy Cloner to clone my HD. My external HD included a Bootup partition. This way I had a bootable backup. Now that I have Leopard, I'm not sure if I should switch to Time Machine. A few questions that don't seem to be answered in Help:
• How is a backup used if there is no bootup on the external HD like there is when you partition and clone your HD?
• I don't wish to keep my external HD on all the time to allow for automatic backups. I would prefer weekly or even bimonthly backups manually. Can I use Time Machine in this way--keeping it turned off unless I'm doing one of these occasional backups?
Message was edited by: Wayneswhirld
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Time Machine starts by doing a full backup of your system.
A clone is just a snapshot in time of your computer.
Your computer is more like a movie than a snapshot.
Every time you make a change is like a new frame in the movie.
Time machine is like of a video camera capturing all those frames that are changing over time.
Over the day the machine saves changes hourly, over the days, daily and weekly backups for everything older than a month.
If you shut down the computer and an incremental backup is not complete it will endeavor to complete the backup the next time you start your computer.
The idea is that you no longer have to use the external backup to recover.
I still maintain a small partition of about 25-30 GB that I have my entire OS and applications install on. That is simply so that I am never down if my internal drive fails to boot. I likely can still recover my current work files and continue.
If the internal drive become inoperable or needs to have an erase and install, you simply reinstall the OS and the setup assistant has an added setup option to migrate from Time Machine.

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