TOC and section markers

Can section markers that are added to a master page and updated with in a document be added to a TOC. I have created a paragraph style for section markers and added it to my TOC style but it will not show up when I create my TOC.

Thanks for your help Peter.
Maybe you can help me with my next question. Again my document is broken up in to sections and in each section I have photos that I would like to add figures to. I have figured out how to create the figures and have them cross referenced, but I would like to have my figure reference the section number like so (Fig. 1 – 1.0) and (Fig. 1 – 2.0). Is there a way to do this

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I've never tried adding a second marker to a paragraph like that. Why not use a numbered list instead?
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--Is there any way to get cross references to display as bookmarks in a PDF, assuming that I needed to make individual PDFs of each chapter, without doing this manually in Acrobat Pro?
--I'm betting that all files should be exported from InDesign as a single PDF in order for all TOC and cross reference links to work properly, without manual intervention in Acrobat Pro? If so, and manual intervention is required, is this accomplished by cataloging/indexing in Acrobat Pro?
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