Transactional behaviour in third party - XI idoc scenario

Hi,
a third party system is sending an idoc via TRFC-call with the function module "IDOC_INBOUND_ASYNCHRONOUS" to the XI-system.
The scenario is working fine, but one day the XI table space was full.
The third party systems gets the following error message:
RFC_ERROR_SYSTEM_FAILURE Problems found during the EXPORT to specified key in table.
For the sending third party system that is an error and the internal status is set to mode "rollback". That means the third party systems is going to send the idocs again after a specified period of time.
If i look in transaction SXMB_MONI i can see that the inbound queues were stopped (XI tried to open more than one queue, but all queues were stopped).
After getting more table space available for XI all (stopped) inbound queues were activated manually, and now all messages waiting in XI were processed!. To me that means XI was able to receive all messages, even the table space was full???!!!!
But this behaviour is wrong in a transactional view of the whole process. The sending system is going to send the idocs again and so the idoc's were processed twice in the XI system and respective in the receiver system.
How to handle that?

Hi Udo,
what is the effect of setting that value to 1??
I dont understand how can the message be in the XI system, if the database is full??? More queues will be opened but cannot be processed, but the message seems to be in the XI system...and if so (the message is in XI) the error message to the sending system is wrong!?
Should i delete the messages (after solving the database problems) in transaction SXMB_MONI (is that possible?)and tell the sending system to send the messages again?? I am quite confused...
Regards,
Christian

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In third-party order processing, your company does not deliver the items requested by a customer. Instead, you pass the order along to a third-party vendor who then ships the goods directly to the customer and bills you. A sales order may consist partly or wholly of third-party items. Occasionally, you may need to let a vendor deliver items you would normally deliver yourself.
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Automatic third-party order processing
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Manual third-party order processing
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Process Flow
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Goods receipt will be posted when ever the vendor ships the goods to our customer.
We will do this transaction in SAP using MIGO.
Invoice receipt is done when the Vendor sends us the invoice.. ( I.e Billing ).
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Customize the third party sales in summary:
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Assume three companies X, Y and Z
X - The company,
y - The customer
Z - Vendor
When ever X gets a PO from Y to supply some goods, X has an option of either manufacturing those goods or procuring those goods.
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