USB 2.0 on a Sawtooth

Is it possible to upgrade a Sawtooth with USB 2.0 so I can use my external USB hard drives at the 480 mbps I'm used to?
If so, where can I find the appropriate parts?
Will OS9 be able to handle it as though it were USB 1.1 or will it go dead when I boot into the Classic system?

Will OS9 be able to handle it as though it were USB 1.1 or will it go dead when I boot into the Classic system?
Some terminology clarification here. "OS9" usually refers to booting to OS9, whereas "Classic" refers to running OS9 inside of OSX. To your question. If you boot to OS9, OS9 does not support USB2 speeds. If you use OS9 as Classic it is OSX in charge of the hardware and should work at USB2 speeds.
Other relevant discussions:
USB2 PCI card compatibility - [http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=12879070#12879070]
http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=6995624

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Studio displays and G4

Will an Apple 21" studio display with the built in 4-port USB hub work with a sawtooth G4? I believe these have a 15 pin VGA, right?

I saw that your equipment configuration was the same as mine, and hoped you might have some advice on a problem that I posted this evening. Thanks in advance for any suggestions!
My 17-inch studio display CRT monitor (which was working fine) recently died, and I purchased a used, but 'swear-to-goodness-still-functioning' 21-inch studio display CRT monitor from Ebay to use with my G4/ACP Graphic/desktop Power Mac.
When I installed the new monitor, (connecting the three cables: AC power, VGA and USB), and restarted the computer I saw a clear (but horizontally compressed) band of picture about 4 inches wide running from the top to the bottom of the monitor for the first 30 secs of startup. Then the click of a relay and the picture disappears to leave a black screen. After that, all that happens is a constant 'fluttering' sound from the back of the monitor.
I tried restarting and zapping the PRAM, but no change.
Would welcome any suggestions on what to try next....
Power Mac G4 (AGP Graphics) Mac OS X (10.4.7) Graphite Studio Monitor 21 inch

Upgrading USB on G4 Sawtooth?

Is it possible to add a PCI card with USB 2.0 to my old G4 Sawtooth, or is the bus too slow and I'm stuck with the old, slow version of USB? Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I didn't know where else to turn for answers other than to ask the Mac Community. Thanks in advance!!

Welcome to Apple Discussions!
Yes it is possible, the problem you run into is that some iPods are FAT32 formatted, and it may be too slow for those iPods. If they are formatted with the Mac version of the iPod firmware update, there is no problem. MacAlly, Keyspan, and Iogear all make compatible cards. Check the specs of the card to be sure, and with the manufacturer that they are rated to give sufficient power to the iPod (assuming that's what you want to connect it to). Your other option is to buy an old Firewire capable iPod instead.

PCI USB 2.0 card and mass storage on Sawtooth G4

I have an old Sawtooth G4 (350 upgraded to 800, 768mb) that I recently bought a big ext USB drive for. I put a USB 2.0 card in it years ago which has been fine up until now, however the USB connection times out and the Finder crashes with this drive (WD 750GB, which is fine on my MacBook with Leopard and an old iBook with USB 2.0 and Tiger).
I've ruled out it being a problem with Tiger (fine with iBook as mentioned) and the drive works, if slowly, over the internal USB 1.1. I heard mention on these forums that there's an obscure problem with PCI USB 2.0 cards on G4s and I'd appreciate it if anyone has any further information on this. I've been thinking about getting a new card as I can pick up a cheap one with an NEC chipset off eBay pretty cheap (current card is ALI), and I was also considering shoehorning Leopard on to it, however I'm not convinced either would work.
Long term, I'll be replacing the machine but I could do with a solution in the meantime as running the drive off USB 1.1 is a nuisance. Thanks for any suggestions.

Best bet is any card with a NEC PD720100 or PD720101 chipset. Stick with the NEC chip, and try NOT to use drivers, Tiger doesn't need the drivers.
All of these Cards are NEC chipset based
Adaptec 3100LP
BAFO BF-460
Belkin F5U220
GWC UC-160
IOGear GIC250U & GIC251U
Keyspan U2PCI-5
O'toLink U2-C2A, U2-C2B, U2-P20N & U2-P50
Ratoc PCIU5
USBWholesale UII-PCIP
I use an IOGear GIC251U in my G4 & was plug 'n play.
 Cheers, Tom
(='.'=)
(")_(")

IPod 30GB will not work with 3rd party USB 2.0 PCI card

I've had an IOGear PCI USB 2.0 card (GIC220U-BIO) in my Sawtooth for some time now, and have been using it flawlessly with my Canon i860 printer, and Canon LiDE 30 Scanner.
Just recently I received a Video iPod (30GB) and wanted to take advantage the high speed USB bus offered on that card to sync my iPod. The problem is, when I plug in the iPod to the USB port on that card, I get the transparent gray box telling me that I need to restart my mac by pushing the reset switch, or holding the power button for several seconds (in other words, freezes).
The iPod works fine with the built-in USB ports (albeit slow), as well as the high speed port on my iBook G4. Why am I getting this error? There are no drivers or firmware updates for this PCI card available.
Is there a solution?

Yes, use a different USB 2.0 PCI card, like from Sonnet. I use a Sonnet in a G5 and it works great. There are (at least) 2 USB chipsets and I find the TI ones are great and the other not so great.
The fact it works on 1.1 and the 2.0 on the G4 at least tells you it is not the iPod and a USB 2 card is $20 or $30 at the most.

Mid 2011 Macbook Air - Yosemite keyboard and trackpad stopped working, the only button that worked was the power button, only one USB port works.

I have a Mid 2011 Macbook Air.
Upgraded to Yosemite last week.
Three days ago I was using my Macbook Air for the first time since upgrading to Yosemite. I had been using my Macbook Air for approximately 30 minutes, I was using safari and the keyboard and trackpad stopped working (would not respond). The only button that worked was the power button.
I rebooted and they were still not working. I plugged in a USB mouse and external USB keyboard, only one USB port would work (the Left USB port if looking at the screen) so I had to swap between keyboard and mouse.
After logging in there is a bluetooth icon at the top of the screen with a sawtooth line through it. Bluetooth is unavailable and the bluetooth icon is missing from the system preferences menu.
If I run a hardware test by holding D (on USB keyboard) at startup it says that no problems are found and at the conclusion of the test the keyboard and trackpad start working again. When I log on the bluetooth is working again.
I shut down the Macbook Air and when I started it again the keyboard and trackpad and right side USB ports were all not working again. I logged in using the USB keyboard and mouse and the bluetooth not available sawtooth icon had returned.
I ran the hardware test again and at the conclusion of the test the trackpad and keyboard started working again.
I have tried deleting com.apple.Bluetooth.plist and com.apple.Bluetooth.plist.lockfile from /Library/Preferences/ and tried resetting SMC and Power Functions but this did not fix the issue. The only thing that seems to work is running a hardware test - obviously I don't want to do this every time I use the computer.
I do not believe any hardware is faulty/damaged - I think it has something to do with bluetooth/Yosemite.
I do not have the Macbook with me at the moment, if you have suggestions that I can try or additional checks/info you require please let me know and I can get back to you.
Thanks,
John

Hi!
I have exactly the same problem, and I can't find any solution.
I can't even track down the root of the problem: the Bluetooth/Wifi module? The trackpad? The keyboard/top case? The logicboard?
I've tried all the usual: SMC/PRAM reset, clean install, kext cache clearing.
Any suggestion is greatly appreciated!

Macbook pro Late 2011 13.3 inch i7 keyboard and trackpad not working bluetooth showing a cross sign and no usb mouse is detected. Almost dead keyboard and mouse. Earlier same problem used to be solved by opening the lower cover and closing it.

My macbook pro 13.3 inch i7 late 2011 edition has previously encountered unresponsive trackpad and keyboard. To solve that, I used to open the back cover and then close it. It has been working fine since that. Yesterday, same thing happened, this time I noticed that bluetooth icon is showing a cross sign across it and keyboard and trackpad were unesponsive. After some time , everything worked fine and bluetooth sign was back to normal. Then , suddenly it went back to the problem. I shut it down by holding the power button. When I booted it again, I could not login because keyboard and trackpad were not working. I attached a HP mouse it didnt work. I opened the back cover disconnected the battery and then connected it again, didnt worked. Since then , I have tried many things and nothing has solved the problem.

@sanjampet
As you suggested I reset the smc, in the first boot nothing worked. In the second boot, it all worked like a charm. I thought that my problem is resolved now. To test it, I shut it down properly. Next morning, I powered it on, all things i.e, keyboard, trackpad, bluetooth etc. worked and I thought that problem has been solved. When I was just going to visit apple forum to reply you, the same problem reappeared. A sawtooth cross over bluetooth icon, keyboard not working, trackpad not working,no usb mouse working which worked well when it was fine. I reset smc so many times again and again but same problem continued. Isn't it a problem of the firmware?
Next time when it will work, I will update its firmware.
My macbook was bought in dec2011 so no warranty now.

How can I split a waveform into chunks at each sawtooth?

I have spent a lot of time trying to tackle this problem and hope someone can offer a useful insight! I have attached the VI described here.
I am using Labview connected to a NI USB-6212 DAQ to create a voltage ramp, which drives a laser through its scan. The laser is pointed at a detector, and I simultaneously read in a signal from that detector using the same DAQ. Because the detector is illuminated by the laser, it shows the scan ramp. I would like to repeat this voltage scan and read-in indefinately. Much of this system is working. I have used the "RampPattern.vi" to create a sawtooth wave, which is output successfully to the DAQ. As expected, the input from the detector shows the same sawtooth pattern. However, I am having a lot of trouble managing and displaying the scanned sawtooth from the detector, which is currently read in as a waveform.
The challenge I can't seem to get around is manipulating or collecting the sawtooth in such a way that I can do two things:
1) Display the incoming sawtooth a 'tooth' at a time. Each sawtooth represents one laser scan, and I would like to see the incoming scan ramp as a single slope, not a series of sawtooths. Ideally,as each scan came in, it would replace the prior scan (as in the Labview 'graph'), so that the plot would show a motionless scan that would flicker up the input of the last scan.
2) Split the incoming sawtooth at each ramp into an ever-updating array that could be acted upon with the math functions, saved to a file, etc.
I have the feeling that this wouldn't even be a speedbump for an experienced user, but I have been hung up on it. Could I collect the incoming analog signal from the detector in chunks that are the length of each ramp? Could I trigger an event at each ramp that would split off the waveform into an array?
I am open to any suggestions! Thank you for the input and help,
Sam
Solved!
Go to Solution.
Attachments:
scancode_topost.vi ‏129 KB

Problem solved!
The solution was to wire the "number of samples per channel" setting in the DAQMx Read VI. I set the 'number of samples per channel' to the number of points in each sawtooth scan (that is the same value as 'number of samples in waveform' used to generate the sawtooth in BasicFunctionGenerator.vi).
The DAQMx Read Analog VI now reads one sawtooth at a time. The Waveform Graph displays each sawtooth, one at a time, as captured. The output waveform also has the proper dimensions (the length of the scan) and I can perform math operations on each single scan.
Works great! I have posted the operational code.
Attachments:
fullsimulation_20101208_newramp.vi ‏131 KB

Webcam working with USB 1, but not USB 2 port with NEC Chipset

On my sawtooth upgraded to 1.8 Mhz with 1G and a Radeo 9200 OS 10.4.9, I added a NEC Chipset USB 2.0 PCI.
My USB Camera Logitech Quickcam Notebook Pro 860 -000026, works fine with the USB 1.0 ports, but when I hook it to the USB 2.0 it get split screen, jumpy and flashes. Same for Skype or iChat.
USB works fine with printer, camera and mouse.
Any thoughts?

Just wanted to say I got hylafax to work with a usb modem on a powerbook, not sure if it's stable and user friendly enough to be used my a wide base here, but it's definitely cool, and it does work. I just wish it had LDAP/mysql integration, instead of the flat file business it has.
Anybody with any input on hylafax would be great.

USB 2.0 on PCI card no longer supported?

Curious as to whether anyone else has experienced the same problem I had trying to update via a USB 2.0 port on a PCI card. I just updated to 1.1.1 yesterday, and while connected to a USB 2.0 port on my PCI card (my old Mac never had built-in 2.0 ports), all **** broke loose after the download was complete and ready to be installed. I've never had problems syncing via the PCI card's USB 2.0 port up to now, but during the "preparing iPhone for . . ." process, my iPhone would not respond to the installer, resulting in an error message. After repeated attempts, I switched over to a built-in USB 1.1 port and then had to do a complete restore (which took several hours), but was successful. Oddly though, after the restore, if I try to use the USB 2.0 port on the PCI card again to sync, I get an error message saying that the contents of the iPhone cannot be read, and that I'll have to restore again (even though the phone is fully functional). If I switch back to the built-in USB 1.1 port, everything is fine and I'm not asked to restore the phone. Looks like I can no longer use my USB 2.0 ports (on the PCI card), which worked fine prior to 1.1.1. I know that my weeks/months are numbered with this older Mac (doesn't appear that Leopard will be supported on this Mac), but I just wasn't planning to purchase a new Mac just yet. Perhaps Apple is now checking for "built-in" USB 2.0 during these updates and not supporting USB 2.0 via a PCI card? Would sort of make sense, given the number of users who continue to have problems just trying to get iTunes to recognize their phone (i.e., eliminate the 3rd-party PCI cards). I doubt I'll attempt another update to my iPhone with this Mac. Let me know if you've had a similar experience using a PCI card rather than "built-in" USB ports. Thanks.

Thanks everyone for the great info!
I had an issue with my wife's Powermac G4 Sawtooth and went out and got a Belkin USB 2.0 PCI card to replace the less compatible usb 2.0 pci card. It looks a card with the NEC chipset definitely does the trick.
Her iPhone now syncs pretty much perfectly on the Belkin card. Yaaay!
Of course, it doesn't help that there is another syncing issue going on right now, which kind of threw me:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1311405&tstart=0
But that's temporary. Thanks again!
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Sawtooth suddenly having kernel panics

All of a sudden I am having trouble with my secondary Mac,
I have not changed a thing....
Tiger running with 1GB ram
250 gb hard drive partitioned
Fixed startup drive (giving invalid sibling link- probably from all the crashes?)
Can now start up in Safe Mode (could not before)
I am now getting the black box stating I must restart.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks Laura Drew

Hi-
Are the keys on the keyboard sticky? Have you tried your origional Apple keyboard?
Check to see that File Sharing, Internet Sharing, and Fax Receivingare all turned off.
I think you have a keyboard issue.....try the Apple.
G4AGP(450)Sawtooth, 2ghz PowerLogix, 2gbRAM, RaptorSATAATA, ATI Radeon 9800 Mac OS X (10.4.8) Pioneer DVR-109, 23" ACD, Ratoc USB 2.0, QCam Ultra, Nikon Coolscan

Can I run a Sawtooth without an internal HDD?

Hey all,
I recently started seeing my S.M.A.R.T. staus on my non-factory internal HDD as "failing" once in a while. Having some experience with this in the past, I decided to immediately dump the entirety of my 100GB WD internal ATA onto my maxtor firewire external. I then went to buy a replacement internal.
I decided on a Seagate 300GB, finding out at home, of course, that the Sawtooth doesn't recognize (natively at least) more than 128. OK, well, so that one goes back.
In the meantime, during the long and drawn-out process of figuring that out, My computer stopped starting up. I.e., there is of course no OS on the new HDD, (nor the original 30GB that was also in there as a slave to my WD that went bad) so I was trying to boot up off of the Tiger install disk via my lacie firewire optical drive. After the gray "apple" screen I'd get a kernel panic... every time.
I started up the sawtooth via target disk mode, hooked up to my MacBook. I could see the new drive in there (I'd totally unhooked the 30GB original by this point trying to isolate the panic issues) and that it was 'only' 127GB large. I formated it. Still, none of this seemed to matter. Kernel panic everytime I tried to start up from the external.
So, as to the title of this thread...
Can I just remove all of the internal HDDs? Is there a performance hit for running an OS off of an external firewire (or USB2 via a PCI card) compared to the ATA bus on the Sawtooth?
I know this computer is running out of life. It's been an awsome workhorse for years now. I do plan on getting a new desktop before too awful long, but I'd like to get a little more out of this one.
Thanks for any input.
, Josh
BlackBook and G4 Sawtooth w 1GHz upgrade. 5G60GB iPod [white] Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Hi, iDVD -
well first off you cannot boot OS X from usb firewire of course.
Not exactly true.
First, it is either USB or firewire, not 'USB Firewire' - they are two separate and distinct buses.
All G4s except the G4 (PCI) model can boot to either a firewire or a USB drive using OS 9.
OSX can indeed boot from an external firewire drive. Older versions of OSX can not boot from a USB drive; not sure about Tiger.
the reason you were having problems booting from the stock drive is because you had plugged into the Slave cord. you cannot boot from a slave drive
Incorrect.
It makes no difference on a G4 (AGP) model whether a drive is jumpered as Single, Master, or Slave, provided that the jumpering is correct for the number of drives - all internal drives are bootable for all OS's valid for the machine (depending upon some size restrictions being adhered to).
It also makes no difference which connector on the ATA bus the drive is connected to - except that if there is but one drive on the bus, the end connector should probably be used.
Power Macintosh G3 and G4: IDE Master and Slave Support and Configuration

How do I set up my old G3 PBs and a Sawtooth?

My Wallstreet 233 had sat on my shelf for the last 5 years after I had thought that the Power Manager had burned due to a faulty adapter output. I recently got an old 266 which had an original apple mains adapter, and lo and behold the old PB came alive. After 5 years gathering dust, I've now 2 working Wallstreets with one working ac adapter and, after a quick battery reset, 2 batteries with 3 hours charge each.
Then, a week later I was given a 500mhz Sawtooth. So now I have 2PBs and a PMac.
I've got them up and running on 10.2.8
What will the best way of setting up these at home? I want to use the 266PB for internet (browsing, blogging, skype, itunes and limewire), I'm happy to use PB233 for ms office and as disk backup that may boot up other PB. I want to update PMac for video editing, graphics and playing movies. I have Maxtor to backup PMac.
Can I boot up one pb using another pb's hdd? Is SCSI the only way to do this?
I also want to network all these machines, preferably wlan. What's simplest way of doing this?
BTW I have a LaCie USB2/FW Combo PC card which has a 12V power socket, sadly I don't have power switcher. There's no record of it on LaCie's site and it's CD only mentions Orange Micro which has proved futile. When inserted into PC Card slot it appears on menu bar - "vendor unknown" and "host controller" greyed out and eject disk in bold. When I connect disgo usb it flashes but doesn't mount. I've checked on disk utility and it shows disk not mounted, but apple profiler doesn't show anything different. Is this correct?
PB G3 266MHz 512mb 20G, PB G3 233Mhz 128mb 10Gb, & PMac 500Mhz 512mb 120Gb Mac OS X (10.2.x)

Full excerpt (it's long sorry) of Installation guide on LaCie CD for Combo USB/FW PC Card reads:
Installing USB Drivers
USB 2.0 Hi-Speed support is available on MAC OS X. When running on the OS X system, USB
2.0 Hi-Speed will have a data transfer rate of 480 Mbits/s. When running on the OS 8.6 and OS 9
USB will have data transfer rate of up to 12 Mbits/s.
Users can connect USB and USB 2.0 Hi-Speed peripherals to a USB 2.0 Hi-Speed port. The
current USB peripherals will continue to have a data transfer rate of 12 Mbits/s while USB 2.0 Hi-
Speed peripherals will have a data transfer rate of 480 Mbits/s if Mac OS X is currently running.
NOTE: Mac OS 9.1 and Mac OS X come with USB 1.1 support preinstalled and it is not
necessary to download and install Apple USB drivers.
Mac OS X users
After the USB 2.0 card is installed, log into Mac OS X with a username and password that has
administrative access.
Download the OrangeUSBInstaller from: (http://www.orangemicro.com/updateusb2mac.html)
• Double click on OrangeUSBInstaller.pkg icon
• If the installer displays the message “Administrative access is required to
continue”, click on the Lock icon.
• You will then be prompted to enter the administrator password. If the account
you are using does not have administrative access, you must enter the username
and password for an account that does or you will NOT be able to install
OrangeUSB EHCI support!
• If you have administrative access, the
“Welcome to the OrangeUSB Drivers
Installer” window will appear. Click on the
Continue button.
• The “Select a Destination” dialog (Fig. 2)
will appear. Select the active Mac OS X
system drive, then click “Continue”.
Figure 1
• The “Easy Install” dialog will appear. Click
on the “Install” button to install OrangeUSB
Drivers.
• Click on the ”Restart” button to finish the
installation, when prompted.
Figure 2
Finalizing USB 2.0 Hi-Speed hardware settings
USB 2.0 Hi-Speed products that use an NEC chipset have 3 USB host controller engines on
board. Two of the host controller engines handle USB 1.1 transactions. One of the host
controllers engines handle, USB 2.0 transactions.
USB data traffic is automatically routed to the proper host controller engine depending on the
speed of the device that is plugged into the USB port. This essentially creates 3 concurrent USB
buses. These USB buses allow devices to run in a less congested traffic environment. This helps
devices such as color printers, scanners, video cameras and mass storage devices, which
require a high bandwidth, to work well together.
The NEC PCI to USB Enhanced Host Controller driver handles USB 2.0 Hi-Speed (480 Mbits/s)
traffic. The two NEC PCI to USB Open Host Controllers handle Full-Speed (12 Mb/s) and Low-
Speed (1.5 Mb/s) traffic.
Confirm proper installation of USB 2.0 Hi-Speed driver:
Verify the “OMI_EHCI.kext” Extension is located in the Mac OS X /System/Library/Extensions/
directory.
Verify the USB 2.0 Host Controller is detected:
Open the Apple System Profiler located in the Mac OS X /Applications/Utilities folder. Then click
on the “Devices and Volumes” tab.
In the example below slot B1 contains two “pci12ee, 7000” entries and one “pci12ee, 7001” entry.
The “pci12ee, 7000” represents the two NEC PCI to USB Open Host Controllers and the
“pci12ee, 7001” represents the one NEC PCI to USB Enhanced Host Controller.
If all three appear, the USB 2.0 Host Controller has been detected.
Congratulations! Your Macintosh is now ready to use your FireWire and USB devices. To install
a specific FireWire or USB device, please consult your device manufacturer’s documentation.
Troubleshooting USB
Problem:
I plug in a USB device and the Mac OS X system freezes.
Solution:
On beige G3 Macintosh computers, Mac OS X may attempt to load the built-in USB OHCI drivers
for the EHCI controller. Orange Micro has worked out a patch to solve this problem. It is located
on the OrangeUSB Installer CD in the G3 USB 2.0 Patch folder.
Problem:
I have a pre-G3 Power Macintosh computer, an OrangeUSB and the USB drivers seem to be
installed properly but I cannot get any devices to work. Why?
Solution:
The OrangeUSB PCI board is compatible with the Macintosh All-in-one G3, Power Macintosh
Beige G3 rev. B or later, Power Macintosh Blue & White G3, and Power Macintosh G4 series
computers. There is an incompatibility between the OrangeUSB 2.0 PCI board and all other PCI
based Macintosh computers. The OrangeLink+ USB 2.0/FireWire PCI board does function in pre-
G3 Power Macs so you may consider using it in place of the OrangeUSB 2.0 card.
Problem:
How can I tell if my Power Macintosh Beige G3 is rev. B or later?
Use the Apple System Profiler, located in the Apple menu, to help determine which logic board
revision you have. Open Apple System Profiler, click the System Profile tab within the window,
and then look at the Production Information section. Compare it to the table below to determine
which revision of the logic board is in your Power Macintosh G3 (platinum) computer.
ROM Logic Board
Versions Revision
$77D.40F2 revision A
$77D.45F1 revision B
$77D.45F2 revision C.
Problem:
What PCI based Power Macintosh Computers are NOT compatible with the OrangeUSB PCI
board?
Solution:
Power Macintosh 54xx, 55xx, 64xx, 65xx, 72xx, 73xx, 7500, 85xx, 86xx, 95xx, 96xx, Twentieth
Anniversary Macintosh, Power Macintosh G3 Beige rev A and all Macintosh clones.
Where to go for additional Troubleshooting assistance?
Visit the OrangeUSB Windows troubleshooting web site.
http://www.orangemicro.com/orangeusbmacfaqs.html
Contact Orange Micro for technical support.
http://www.orangemicro.com/supportform.html
Now it is probably clear that LaCie pc card is NEC chipset based on clone of orangemicro. Now I have googled the OMI_EHCI driver and found that it is fine up to and including 10.2.6 but 10.2.8 may behave strangely. I guess it must not be liked by native apple usb driver.
http://www.macally.com/techsupport/faq/faq_usb2controller.html
Have you any suggestions?
PB G3 266MHz 512mb 20G, PB G3 233Mhz 128mb 10Gb, & PMac 500Mhz 512mb 120Gb Mac OS X (10.2.x)

HDD/RAM upgrade question - 400 mhz sawtooth

Hello!
My Sister has a Sawtooth G4 - Well, I believe it's a sawtooth anyway. I don't know for sure, so I'll post a bunch of specs:
It's a 400mhz model, early 2000. It shipped with a 10GB HDD, and 128 RAM. I believe it also has a 100 Mbps Ethernet. It has a DVI and VGA monitor video card, but i'm not sure the Video RAM level. It has an internal FW 400 port as well. The internal Airport card is shot - er, maybe the extension.
It has major issues with the system - and it seems to stem from a botched OS 9.2 install. It's running 9.1, but with trouble. For one, I can't open the extension manager. For two, it's slow, and acts funny.
Well, I thought i'd be nice, and try to get the G4 working for my Sister. It seems that it may require an Clean install of OS 9.0. Oh well, I can do that easily enough. However, before I go through all that trouble, I'm contemplating upgrading the hard drive (at least). With only 10GB, it's not very useful for iTunes, Photoshop, or our old OS 9 games - things she'd like to have.
I looked at the specs for the Mac at:
http://www.lowendmac.com/ppc/g4saw.shtml
It takes an 3.5 inch Ultra ATA drive? I've seen those around - and a 60GB drive or so is becoming pretty cheap. (I've seen 80G for under $50) I just figured i'd ask if anyone has tips on what to buy, how to install it, and Particularly if I need any special adapters for the G4. It does have a slot for a second internal HDD. I've also heard that a fast, second internal HDD can overheat the computer - is this a common issue I should be worried about?
The same questions go for the RAM. I'd like to add at least an extra 128MB, but I'm not entirely sure what to get. The above site mentions that it uses PC100 SDRAM in DIMM mode? Hmmm... I'll have to look around.
Please excuse any silly questions, I'm just far more familiar with more current systems, and it's 1 AM
Thanks,
Dan
PS: It looks to have a slot for a floppy drive under the DVD-ROM drive. I have a bunch of files on our OLD PowerBook 5300 that i'd like to move - but I need a floppy drive. Our old external USB floppy drive is.... very dead. The external floppy drives i've seen at stores seem to be pretty expensive, but internal drives are still fairly cheap (some under $30). How hard would it be to find/buy/install a compatible floppy drive? What format would it need to be? If such an upgrade runs over the $40-50 that a new USB drive costs, it's not really worth it.
15" Powerbook G4 (May 2005 ed), iMac DV (9.2.2) Mac OS X (10.4.6) 1G Ram, 192 (iMac)

Wow, thanks again!
I figured out that this is the AGP graphics Sawtooth - not the Yikes model. Where do these names come from?
As per upgrading to OS X - we have a G5 which she can use, and a XP box - which is down with the flu for the third (or fourth?) time. Therefore, the G4 will stay OS 9. She just wants to have a reliable machine that can play DVDs and music, and play some of our old OS 9 games. It's not intended to run any new programs, just the old ones that she can't run now. When I mentioned photoshop - it's a "Limited edition" of version 5.0 - and it's far, far, FAR more reliable on the G4 than on our 2-year-old XP box, despite the G4 running 9.1 with a wimpy 128 meg ram!
The main reason for upgrading the HDD was to make it more practical for games and MP3s - via iTunes 2! It won't play AAC, but it plays MP3s fine. She has at least 8 Gig of music - too much for a 10G drive! (Even half of it leaves precious little expansion room)
I'm watching for a "small" HDD - it seems that our local Fry's is no longer selling anything smaller than 100G - which was $100! Or perhaps they were just sold out at the time. I'll keep an eye out for another sale. In fact, asking my friend for an old drive is a good idea. They have parts from at least a dozen old windows and linux boxes floating around - so they likely have a drive or two. If it's a used HDD, loaded with Windows (probably 95-2000), will it confuse the system before re-formatting?
As per RAM:
I'm quite aware of the lack of RAM. However, I'll have to watch for sales! I'm not aware of any "Mom and Pop" stores close by, although that's a fantastic idea. A PC 133 128 MB card runs $40-50 at the local computer stores, but only $15 at OWC! Therefore, if I don't find suitable RAM locally, I'll order some. I wouldn't mind an extra 256 (or 512) for my iMac either.
Speaking of iMac - I've determined that it's the iMac DV Special ED from March 2000. (400mhz, originally 13 Gig Drive - now 60, 9.2.2) The question is whether or not it maxes out at 512 MB or 1 GB of RAM. One of the Apple support sites I found ( http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58007 ) said that the slot loading iMacs max out at 512. It makes no distinction between any slot loading iMac. However at http://www.lowendmac.com/imacs/dvse.shtml, it mentions that this model specifically can accept 1 gig of RAM. I'll assume that the Apple article is correct, but I'd love to get a full 650 MB if I can! (I'd love to add a 512 to the 128 I have now)
It's amazing, really - after 4 years of constant use, a hard drive motor failure (hence the 60G HDD), and a year and a half burried on a desk, the iMac is becoming more handy by the day. It's good at capturing the Video and audio from say, Halo, while my PB's too busy to run anything else (via S-Video and audio through our DV cam). It makes a great DVD player, an iTunes Jukebox, and game machine - most of my games are still OS 9. To top it off, it makes a great wireless base-station for my Nintendo DS at school, where there's no WiFi! With 30 gig of space left on the HDD, it has plenty of room for whatever I want to do with it. Guess you can "teach and old dog new tricks!'
Well, I guess this means my question is answered for now - once I find the things I need, i may have some more questions, Thanks again!
-Dan

G4 400 - USB 2.0?

I'd like to get an ipod, but, it requires that my Mac have a USB 2.0 port. All my manual says is that I have 2 USB ports, not whether or not they're version 2.0. Anyone know if I can use an ipod with this machine?
Thanks.

I use a USB 2.0 PCI card on my Sawtooth for my iPod needs (30gb 5th generation). The iPod works great, uploads and charges quickly.
Be advised, USB 2.0 PCI cards can cause sleep and other issues with these old Macs- you can check these forums and xlr8yourmac for more info on these issues.
My experience (with PCI cards) has lead me to use a card with the NEC PD72010 chipset. This allows proper function of the Sawtooth (no kernal panics, freezes). The one issue remaining, and as yet, unsolved, is the Sawtooth will not sleep while powered devices are attached (those receiving the power via the USB connection). I just unplug my iPod from the cable (the card is "hot swappable"), and the computer sleeps normally.
G4 AGP Mac OS X (10.4.8) 2ghz PPC, 1.62gb SDRAM, ATI 9000, DVR-110D, (Int)Seagate 120&160,(ext)LaCie160

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