Use of dummy profit center

Hi
I am on ECC6.0 and profit center accounting is active. I have one dummy center.
Now what is the use of dummy profit center. It i because SAP will not allow me to post FI transaction with out profit center because of document splitting. Then how dummy profit center will be used

Hi,
The profit center accounting is based on the derivation rules. Derivation rules are nothing but how and to which profit center the postings are to be done.
If the derivation rules are not there, then the incomes and expenses would be posted to this dummy profit center.
At the end of the month if this dummy profit center has balances, it means that the derivation is missing and hence these balances from the dummy cost center will be assigned to the correct profit center manually.
Dummy profit center acts as a cross check to see the accuracy of the postings in to the various profit centers depending on the derivations.
Thank you,
Shilpa.

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