What if TC is backup and shared drive?

I want to use TC as backup station for all my Mac's & PC's as well as use it as a shared drive. But then how do I backup the files on the shared drive part?
What is the recommended scenario for this?

See #Q3 in Using Time Machine with a Time Capsule for some possible workarounds, to keep everything on the TC's internal HD, if there's room and you want to do that.
As Bob says, Time Machine can't back up from a network drive. The Chronosync app might be a workable alternative for that.

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Online Backup and Sharing issue

I am having trouble with the restore part of my Online Backup and Sharing. Whether I select specific files or a folder, the history shows that the backup was successful, but when I try to find it in the list of files that can be restored, the files that I want are not there.
I can see the structure of folders and sub-folders, but the specific files are not anywhere in my restore list.
Also, there seems to be two different structures with some of my folders in one and some in another with some redundancy. Neither is complete.
Is there a way that I can wipe what is in my online storage completely clean and start over?

There is a specialized team who troubleshoots issues with the backup and sharing program.
A dedicated internal phone number (866-770-6800) has been provided for hand-offs to the VOL Backup & Sharing Technician.
Hours of Operation are Mon - Sat 7am - 11pm EST.
After hours the customer will be asked to leave a message and someone from VOBS support will return their call during business hours.
Anthony_VZ
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Can't access online backup and sharing web site

Does anyone know how to access the Online Backup and Sharing web site from a computer that does not have the O/B/S software installed? I used to be able to go to My Verizon/My Services/Internet and hit "Launch" for O/B/S, and the link would go directly to the web site for uploading or downloading material. Now, that link takes me to a Verizon page that asks to activate the O/B/S service, and wants to download the software. My O/B/S service was activated years ago and has worked until recently without the software installed. There is no other obvious way to get to the O/B/S web site. (If it matters, I tried this in both IE 9, with Windows 7 64-bit, and Safari.)
After some effort, I got the help number for the outside vendor that runs the O/B/S service. They say that the Verizon web site should link directly to their O/B/S web site, regardless of whether or not the O/B/S software is installed locally, but that the failure to do so is entirely an error of Verizon's on the Verizon web site and they have nothing to do with it. They also said there is no way to bypass the Verizon web site to get to a Verizon O/B/S account on their web site. They said they have received many complaints about this from Verizon O/B/S customers, and that the same problem has even arisen when the O/B/S software is installed on the local computer.
So does anyone know if it is really necessary to install the O/B/S software on any computer used to access O/B/S, and if it is now impossible to access the material from any other computer? That would be a major reduction in the usefulness of the service that was not announced anywhere that I know of. I saw a strong of comments on this issue in the Forums from a few years ago, but the conclusion was that the problem had been fixed. It seems to have arisen again.

Anthony, I tried to private message you several times, but I kept getting an error message stating that my message had invalid HTML that was being removed, and to resend. It did not actually have any HTML, and hitting the resend button just led to the same message.
Also, since my last post, I downloaded the OBS software onto my computer. This gave me access to OBS from that computer. However, even after doing this, I cannot use the old method of directly getting to the OBS web site from My Verizon. The link from "Launch" does not work either on the computer with the OBS software or on any other computer. Rather, the link goes only to the Verizon page saying that my OBS service has not been activated (which it surely has been) and asking to download the OBS software.
If this is happening to everyone and not just to me, this means that material stored on OBS is only available from a computer that has the OBS software downloaded on it. That is certainly not supposed to be the case, and it would make OBS much less useful.
Again, the OBS technical people said that this was a problem that they knew about, but it was entirely a problem with the Verizon web site that they could not do anything about.

Verizon Online Backup and Sharing using FTP

Can I access my Verizon Online Backup and Sharing 250MB with an FTP client instead of installing the backup software?

no ftp, only through the software.

Verizon Online Backup and Sharing Error Message

Started getting Verizon Online Backup and Sharing error message at startup about two weeks ago and can't connect via VISS. Anybody else out there having this issue? Tried downloading update but can't open the file. Also seems to be affecting VIHA. - takes forever to open. Heard syncNshare has been hacked. Is this true?

Sorry to hear about the problems with your Verizon software. So we can get more information from you, I have copied your post to our private support board. Please refer all correspondences to there from here on out. You can easily get to the private support one of two ways. In the email you signed up for the forums with, you will receive a link to click on. Make sure you are already signed into the forums before clicking on this link. Another way of getting there is by clicking on your username anywhere you see it in the forums. This brings you to your account profile. Scroll down to the section labeled "My Support Cases" . In there you will see the link to your case.
Anthony_VZ
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Online Backup and Sharing

I've been trying to use this software but keep getting an error 1001. So it won't install.
How can I get this fixed?

Hi MissMiguel, you would have to call into Verizon Online Backup and Sharing Technicians for assistance. Error 1001 could mean various different things including, not enough memory, the application log is full, maybe a version was download on one attempt and subsequent attempts are interfering, so we would have to instruct you on how to clear it. So please give us a call at 866 770-6800.
Thanks, Constance
Constance
Verizon Telecom
Fiber Solution Center
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Time Machine backup and main drive corrupted. Help! (REWARD OFFERED)

Here's the deal:
I have a Macbook Pro and a Mac Mini both runnign Snow Leopard. I use the Mac Mini as a kind of media center / server, it has a few external drives connected to it. On of these drives (1GB) is dedicated to Time Machine, the Mac Mini (80 GB hard drive) backs up to it directly and the Macbook Pro (500 GB hard drive) does it over the network (Time Machine created a sparsebundle). This has worked well for years now. Occasionally I got the error that Time Machine needed to start a new backup because the old one was corrupt. That happened about 2-3 times a year (did the same thing when I backued up via USB). Now about 2 weeks ago, that error came up and I just let the Macbook Pro on overnight and connected the ethernet cable for faster transfer.
When I woke up, the Macbook Pro didn't respont at all, spinning beachball, no response at all beside mouse movement. I let it do it's thing for another 10 hours (while I was at work) and just held down the power button to power off and restart it. But all I got was the gray-on-gray flashing folder with the question mark in it, that's what you get when the Mac can't find bootable partitions. So I popped in the OSX Snow Leopard install disk, ran disk utility. It saw the hard drive, but no partition (i.e. Machintosh HD) on it. I checked the Time Machine backup and the sparsebundle was 300 GB (the Macbook Pro had 400 GB used, the remaining 100 GB were free). There is no way to restore from an unfinished Time Machine backup...
First thing I did was clone the internal (Macbook Pro) hard drive to a DMG disk image using DiskDrill (the only program I found that could recognize the drive at all, not even DiskWarrior could). I also bought the exact same hard drive model and partitioned it like the cloned the corrupted hard drive to the new one using ddrescue (a command line tool that doesn't quit upon i/o errors but proceeds and tries to recover as much as it can). It copied everything except 65 kilobytes, the corrupted drive seemed to be physically damaged in a bunch of sectors relatively at the beginning of the disk. Since I had now an exact copy on a fresh, healthy drive, I went crazy trying out Disk Warrior (didn't recognize the drive at all), data rescue, testdisc, p a Windows isk, etc. Only R-Studio (on windows) showed the EFI and Macintosh HD partitions on there, they started and ended on the same sectors on the corrupted drive and its clone. After some research, I figured that the partition table was corrupt so I reformated the clone disk using the OSX Snow Leopard install disk (1 HFS Journaled Partition with GUID Partition table). R-Studio showed the EFI and Macintosh HD on that reformated drive, again, same sectors as before. So I figured I could just copy just the bytes where the Macintosh HD starts from the corrupted drive to the clone (using ddrescue). That worked, after almost 24 hours, I had the clone drive with a "disk1" partition on it that even disk utility could see.
Now I was able to run Disk Warrior on it, but all it could do was recover a few Application folders (Resource-Folders and lproj-stuff), about 100 MB in total. It couldn't repair more of catalog file apparently. Luckily, Time Machine backed up quite a bit (300 GB out of 400 GB of data) and I was able to manually copy all the Dokuments, Desktop, user Library, Applications, Music, Download and Movies. Unfortunatley, only a little bit of the Pictures folder was copied. iPhoto library (80 to 100 GB) was nowhere to be found, backup must have failed right then. I can salvage the drives (time machine drive, original hard drive with a few broken sectors, DMG-image of that drive, 1-1 copy of that drive with partition table repaired) but that only gives me files with numeric names and today's date on teh JPEGs (instead of the date the picture was taken).
Is there any way I can recover that iPhoto library? It appears the catalog file got corrupted because the hard drive (only 8 months old...) failed on a few sectors. If I understand it correctly, the catalog file on HFS+ file systems is where the folder structure and file names are stored in a B-Tree. I can't imagine that some i/o error during backup can totally annihilate that file when it was working perfectly before. Here's a few things I want to try out but haven't figured out how so far:
- Time Machine had to start a new backup. There's plenty of free space on that drive so there's a good chance there's old data left on it. Is there a way to restore files (including file names) and fodlers from deleted time machine backups?
- Is there any way to re-build that catalog file from what is there left on the original hard drive? I can't imagine 65 kilobytes destroys it all.
- Are there other ways to recover my iPhoto Library? The raw JPEG (and AVI) files with correct file names or metadata would suffice.
Thanks in advance for any help, I'll actually reward the person with a working solution, 5 years of photo memories are somewhat important. It really ***** that a failure during a backup destroys that...

Final Update:
The catalog file on the original hard drive could not be fixed. Seems like Mac OSX tried to repair the catalog file while the sectors this file resides on failed. To make things worse the partition table was also broken beyond repair, even overwriting the sectors with a new correct partition table didn't help. DiskWarrior found less then 100 MB worth of stuff, mainly Applications folders.
I recovered pretty much everything from the incomplete Time Machine backup by right-clicking the sparsebundle and browsing through the folders with the long alphanumeric names, looking for the version of the folder with the most files in there. All I was missing was part of the ~/Pictures folder, i.e. photobooth pictures and the whole iPhoto Library. My best option was to recover these files using data recovery tools.
DiskDrill proved to be the absolute best, fast, responsive, efficient, and the only one able to mount the DMG-file with no valid file system on it. As there were many i/o errors and broken sectors on the original hard drive, I made a copy of it using a free command line tool called ddrescue (the standard dd tool just aborted when it encountered the i/o error). ddrescue copied the whole drive to a DMG image, I had 56 kilobytes with errors on the first pass, but it managed to shrink that down to just 4 kilobytes (wow!) after the second pass where it tries to re-read the broken secors. It took about 24 hours for a 512 GB 2.5" drive (5400 rpm) but well worth it. Be advised that ddrescue is really persistent and tries everything to recover those last errorneous bytes. At the very end of the process, the read/write head of the hard drive just goes wild trying to catch the data on the sectors with different momentum. This works but I assume this is pretty damaging for the original drive. I also copied it all to a new hard drive (again using ddrescue) and tried partition and catalog repair tools on that (DiskWarrion, testdiks, pdisk, etc.). Still no hint of a good result.
I made a deep scan on the clone hard drive with DiskDrill. At the end (after about 8 hours over USB) it found 13 partition (I assume that's the Macintosh HD, EFI and some DMG files lying around) and hundreds of thousands of pictures. I restored some JPG files just to check the quality, some were damaged, some were good with all the EXIF data intact. I just made it copy all JPG files into a folder. I know the pictures taken from my camera produce JPGs larger than 1 MB and smaller than 5 MB, so I sorted them by size and moved the smaller and larger files into seperate folders. I took the remaining folder (100 GB) and just dragged it into iPhoto. It imported them overnight. Auto-Split by events and I got my library back, alas with different file names, originals and edited versions side by side, lots of duplicates, some damaged, some not. But hey, all the pictures in chronological order. Okay there was also one large event with all the JPGs without valid EXIF data landed inside, iPhoto just takes the file creation date (i.e. the date where the recovered file was copied). As far as I can tell, these are all just data corpses, halfway overwritten copies, random pictures from the internet, desktop pictures, etc.
I started to work my way back through the events, deleting the duplicates and renaming the events. There's an app called "Duplicate Annihilator" which apparently can find duplicate pictures in iPhoto and mark them for you. The free version only does 500 pictures but if it works, I'll get the full version. It can mark th eduplicate photos by adding something to the picture comment in iPhoto so you can manually review it all. Good stuff!

Odd behavior in Finder and Shared Drives

As you can see from the screenshot below.. I am seeing some very odd behavior in Finder regarding a Shared Network Drive I have attached to another Mac.
Details:
Mac with Shared Drive attached is a 2011 iMac running 10.8.2
Mac with issue in Finder is 2011 Mac Mini running 10.8.2
When I go to the shared drive via Finder on the Mac Mini and open it, it shows multiple copies of the Shared Networked Drive. If I click on one of those copies it opens up another copy of the shared drive which also includes even more copies of the shared Drive inside.
Trying to eject the Shared HD via the Mac Mini results in the following msg...
“Sea2TB” is a partition on a disk that has 2 partitions. Do you want to eject “Sea2TB” only, or both partitions?
The problem is that HD is not partitioned.. It has only one partition called Sea2TB
Ejecting the HD from it's Host iMac... results in a normal ejection without this message about there being two partitions...
I have tried rebooting both Macs.. Removing and re-adding the share on the Host iMac... Renaming the Drive and so far this issue keeps returning.
It is the only shared Hard Drive that has this issue.. I am sharing another 4 HDs via the iMac to the Mac Mini and none of the other shares show up as multiple copies in Finder.. Only the Sea2TB share...
Any ideas anyone as to how to fix this?

Anyone got any ideas please?

What is a bootable backup and do i need one? what are partitions good for?

hello,
please excuse my ignorance...
i just got a new lacie external firewire hard drive and it has some software which i was wandering if i have any use for... - SilverKeeper and LaCie Backup Software. i'm not sure if they can give me anything that time machine doesn't do better... SilverKeeper gives the option of cloning a bootable backup. i'm not exactly sure what's the advantage of this and in what case i may need it.
when i got my last computer i was able to transfer everything from the old computer, including applications, to the new one without having to find all the serial numbers and reinstall them. i thought that time machine will be able to do the same thing if i lose all the data on my computer. is that not so? is that what a bootable clone is for? or what is it for?...
my other question is what are the advantages of making partitions in my new drive (i understand i have to if i want a bootable backup, but is there any reason to partition otherwise?
thanks!
dannah

SilverKeeper gives the option of cloning a bootable backup. i'm not exactly sure what's the advantage of this and in what case i may need it.
A bootable backup is an exact copy of your hard drive's contents on another drive, that can be used for booting up the machine. The advantage of a bootable backup is that, in the event something bad happens to your internal drive, you can very quickly get up and running with the backup drive, and can copy that back to a replaced/fixed internal drive very quickly. Time Machine backups are not bootable.
The disadvantage of a clone of any kind, bootable or not, is that there's only one version of any particular file stored. So if a file gets damaged and then backed up, you're pretty well screwed with the clone, while Time Machine stores many versions of the file, so you just "roll back" to the last working copy.
when i got my last computer i was able to transfer everything from the old computer, including applications, to the new one without having to find all the serial numbers and reinstall them.
Bad idea... while this will work for most apps, different machines have different architectures, so some apps may not be installed correctly for the new machine, plus you may not have properly copied some components. You should have reinstalled them.
i thought that time machine will be able to do the same thing if i lose all the data on my computer. is that not so?
If you have Time Machine back up the entire hard drive, without excluding anything, then Time Machine should be able to restore your drive to exactly the way it was at any particular moment in time at which it made a backup, including apps, system files, preferences, etc.
my other question is what are the advantages of making partitions in my new drive (i understand i have to if i want a bootable backup, but is there any reason to partition otherwise?
You do not have to partition to make a bootable backup. However, you'll be using the entire drive... trying to store additional files on the same drive as a bootable clone is confusing at best. Using a partition allows you to create multiple "virtual" drives... say, one for a bootable backup, one for a Time Machine backup, one for movie files, etc. Of course, this is only advisable if the drive is much larger than the one you're backing up, and note that if you store original files on a partition (like a bunch of movie files), you need a backup of those somewhere else.
Time Machine will want it's own full drive or partition to play with, which should be larger than the drive being backed up, and will eventually fill it. A bootable clone probably also should go onto its own partition, but you wouldn't need to make this partition larger than the drive being cloned. Other than that, don't worry about partitioning unless you have a specific need.

Slow transfer speeds between Mac Pro and Shared Drive on Windows Domain

Hi Guys,
Getting really slow transfer speeds when I try and transfer a file from a Mac Pro to a shared network drive on one of our Windows 2003 Servers.
The Mac Pro is logged on to windows domain. This data is transferring via our hard network, not via wireless. Not having any other transfer speed issues on any other PC's.
For example an 8mb file took around 45 mins.
Hope you can help. Many Thanks.

I saw this at a site where they were using DFS with Server 2003. When the few Mac's they had connected to the actual server and uploaded the file it was okay. But when it was sending the file via the \\DFS_node\share_name the Mac took heaps longer for the same file. Watching the Activity Monitor > Network monitor you could see gaps with the data transfer, as if there was some pausing between packets. A pcap showed that there was constant DNS requests coming from the Mac, even after the connection to the share was made. The same wasn't happening when the connection via SMB was directly to the actual file server. As there was only a few Mac on site they left it with the direct connection but were getting an MS specialist in to look at it. Never heard what happened with that one but you may want to try monitoring the packet transfer to see if the data movement is contstant or breaking. I'd also recommend getting Wireshark to monitor the transfer. You can compare upload to download and maybe even the transfer from the Mac to an MS workgroup share.

How to configure Time Capsule for Automatic Backup AND HARD DRIVE USE

I tried to configure Time Capsule for back up and as a hard drive. I record music and need to copy the music myself onto an external hard drive for speed, so I want the TC to double as an external hard drive, and do the back up. I want to be able to open the TC as a hard drive, to open my songs from it. Can it do both?

I finally figured it out. I am able to access my TC from the "shared folder." When I click on it, I get the "connection failed message." I failed to notice the login button in the upper right -- user error due to my Windows based education. The button is very subtle. Once I login, I can create folders and add content.
I didn't see a partition option. Where is that? Just curious.
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Backup and external drive

Hi
I'm using an external drive for time machine but when T/M starts backing I can not do any thing with the computer until it has finished, and ideas?
Ta

See #D2 of Time Machine - Troubleshooting (or use the link in *User Tips* at the top of this forum).

Bug or feature: Finder's sidebar and shared drives

I don't know if this is a bug or an incomplete feature.
I have a Windows fileserver on the network. In Finder if I go to afp://<ipaddress> and authenticate with name and password I get a window with the list of available Apple shares. So far so good, just like Tiger. When I choose ONE drive I want, however, the Finder sidebar does not show the drive but shows the server itself and clicking the servername shows ALL available shares. I can click anyone I want and view the contents.
If the Go To process didn't ask for which drive I wanted to connect to, that'd be great since the sidebar display them all anyways.
It's a bit odd though. In list view there's no triangles to expand the folders, and it seems odd that the Go To process asks which drive to connect to but then give you all of them anyways. But I certainly like not having to choose which drives I want to connect to.
Bug or feature? I'm rooting for feature.

supersolenoid wrote:
I've recently noticed some very strange behavior when I use exposé with windows minimized and applications hidden.
When applications are hidden, their windows do not appear in exposé, which seems reasonable.
But windows that were minimized before hiding the application continue to appear in exposé even while they are not shown in the dock.
Is this normal behavior? It's irking the **** out of me.
yes, it's normal behavior. minimized windows show up in exposé but are smaller than non minimized windows. Personally, I like it that way. and when you choose the option to minimize to the application this is the easiest way to unminimize them. but if you are not happy with this you can send apple feedback on the issue
http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

No web sign in access for Verizon online backup and file sharing - HELP!

I need to sign-in via web browser to my backup files in my Verizon Online Backup and File Sharing service. The Verizon site redesign redirects the old URL with a sign in to a sales page with no way to reach my stored files.
I contacted Verizon support more than a week ago about this asking for a URL with a sign in option to the cloud, was told that it was a problem affecting many customers (obviously eveyone with the online backup and filesharing service!) created by the redesign and that they would have a page created to allow login within 24 hours. I've heard nothing back and still have no access.
I made very clear that this was a HUGE problem for me, as I'm out of the country and rely on file access, and was on deadline for a critical professional project. The support tech I was on live chat with assured me they were working on it and that he would contact me via email as soon as it was resolved. Lots of apologies, etc. but now, a week later ... still no access and no contact. Astonishingly unprofessional.
When I tried again to find a link and/or contact support on Friday I was given no option to file a support ticket, chat with support or do any other kind of follow up. I've tried every search string option possible, including the name of the service with "sign in" appended (the Verizon nomenclature)--site searches a week ago for the service name returned null results. Web searches produce summaries from the old "My Services" page that include "sign in" but those links now redirect to the sales page that tells me how great it is I'll be able to access my files with a web browser with Online Backup and File Sharing. But no option to access the service.
Has anyone figured out a workaround or have a saved URL that still resolves to a Sign In portal?
I grow more desperate by the day. Thanks for any assistance.

I just wasted a lot of time on this same issue -- it turns out I couldn't find my way into the web application because I normally log into a subaccount, and you have to be logged into the primary. I had tried logging into the primary but apparently hadn't tried all possibilities from there.
So I chatted with Verizon support and got the phone number for Online Backup support, left them a message (because their hold music is so repellent I couldn't stand to remain on the line, maybe that's deliberate) and got called back about four hours later (and a second callback the next day, since I hadn't responded to the the voicemail they left on the first callback).
So here are the instructions (until they change the web site again...)
1. log into the primary account (not a subaccount)
2. click My Verizon
3. click My Services on the left
4. click Broadband Essentials and Extras (right under My Services)
5. click the Manage button next to My Subscriptions
6. click the Verizon Online Backup and Sharing xx MB button
The URL that it lands on is this:
https://vzsharing.verizon.net/application_biz/Secure/Home/Default.aspx

Setting up shared drive

I want to attach an external mirror drive to my G5 iMAC to use as a time machine back up and shared drive. I have my computers networked as shared over an airport extreme. So here are my questions.
When setting up the shared drive on my other macs I have to input the computer name and password. Does this prevent anyone else from accessing the computers and drives?
What Apple format do I use to format the drives? Journaled, GUID, etc.
Can I or will I be able to use the external drives as iTunes media central file? Meaning can I stream a movie to one mac and listen to iTunes on another?
Is there a better or more simpler way to do this? I do not know anything about NAS? or how else to accomplish this with what I currently know.
Thanks.

I ended up splitting the drive into two partitions. One is shared through the Server Preferences using Time Machine. The other is used locally to backup the server itself. No more problems of extended preparing stage. I think it was doing that because the server detected changes to the drive when other backups were made, and it was just checking for changes.

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