Windows 7 Colour management

Hi all,
I have a question about the color managment in windows 7.
I have a Eizo Cg243w hardware calibrated with a i1 display pro, and wondered how things get affected when combining this with the built in color managment in windows 7.
Also i am noticing when viewing thumbnails in windows explorer, these thumbnails are definetly not color managed.
Many thanks

Same principle. It seems to me everything is working as it should.
"Monitor calibration" is actually two things: calibration and profiling. Calibration is just a basic correction to bring the monitor in compliance with a few parameters such as temperature, gamma, neutral color balance. But it doesn't do anything about how the monitor actually reproduces color - it cannot change the position of the RGB primaries in three-dimensional color space for instance. This is particularly visible with a wide gamut monitor such as the Eizo.
In short, calibration is not color management.
Color management comes with the second part, profiling. The calibration software makes a monitor profile describing how the monitor behaves, in detail, in its calibrated state. Whether the calibration is achieved via video LUT or monitor LUT doesn't matter (but monitor LUT is usually more accurate).
A color managed application such as Photoshop then converts on the fly to that monitor profile, taking into account gamut and everything else. But Explorer is not color managed, so it just sends the RGB data straight to the (calibrated) monitor unchanged. But it doesn't compensate for the full profile.
Put it another way: Calibration takes you some of the way, and the profile fills in the rest.

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Help diagnosing colour management problem - windows 7, CS3, Eye-one display 2

Hi,
I had my colour management all set up and working on my old laptop then I foolishly got a new laptop and am completely failing to get things straight.
The new laptop (Asus N56VM with Nvidia GT 630M) is running Windows 7.. I've calibrated the screen using my Pantone (X-Rite) eye-one display-two and straight away it looks much better to the eye. I calibrate to native white point which I always do with laptops.
I've used the following procedure to make Windows 7 load the profile at startup and removed the GretagMacbeth tool which attempts to do the same:
http://www.laszlopusztai.net/2009/08/23/stop-losing-display-calibration-with-windows-7/
Everything looks great except when I attempt to use anything with colour management.
Eg. All my old photos looked great in Adobe Bridge until I activated Color Management via it's settings and suddenly they look awful - sky blues turn turquoise.
If I open an sRGB tagged file in photoshop it looks the same - awful (using Preserve Embedded Profile and with a working space of Adobe 1998 in Color Settings)
Only way I can get images to look normal in Photoshop is to open them then ASSIGN the monitor profile to the image (I know this makes no sense to do and is in no way a workaround)... and it looks great.
Something's not right somewhere but not sure where to start looking since there are so many variables. Can anyone suggest a route to investigate based on what I've said so far? This is driving me nuts!

Ok, I use the same tool and software to calibrate my monitor. I disagree with Lazlo p about resetting Color Management. What you should have is under Devices>Display, click "Use my settings for this device". (You will have to go to the place you checked Windows display calibration and uncheck it first.)
When I first started using Win 7, I did not have either checked, (I didn't know about Windows Display Cal) and had fits. Then I checked "Use my settings..." and it ran fine.
The reason the Gregg MacBeth Calibration Loader tool is needed has to do with their reluctance in updating the software completely to run in 64 bit. The Calibration Loader has always been a part of their software and for at least, XP, has run seamlessly. I now have the icon for Cal Loader in my tray, and after reboot, I'll click it to be sure the profile has loaded. Most of the time it has.
I verified it with the support group who verified the need to use that tool in 64 bit. The workaround? An entirely new software package at a considerable sum!
So I did what Lazlo suggested, and when I had completed the changes, I clicked the cal loader icon in the Tray.
The display changed!
I trust the Cal Loader.
I do not grasp what MS implies in their discussion of WCS vs ICC, especially with respect that WCS is better.
Finally, I am doubtful that you should be using native white point. It's not simply a choice available to laptops, but to all LCD screens (AFAIK!). There is a huge difference between 6500K and native white point on the Dell u2412,so much so I dismissed it out of hand and tweak the colors in RGB during calibration. Your laptop may not offer that path.

My problem is that after printing the first photo or picture, when I come to print a second, both the Colour Management and Epson Colour Controls are greyed out and showing No Colour Management

I have recently purchased a Mac computer (updated to Maverick) to go with my Epson Stylus Photo RX500 printer which has given excellent service with my old Windows computer. However, when trying to print pictures or photos via Photoshop Elements 11, the best results I can get are using the Colour Management and Epson Colour controls in the printing options box.
My problem is that after printing the first photo or picture, when I come to print a second, both the Colour Management and Epson Colour Controls are greyed out and showing No Colour Management, The only way I can reset the controls is to shut down the printer and computer and restart.
Could there may be a setting somewhere that I need to adjust please? I have been in touch with Epson and they say that the Epson Colour controls are part of the Photoshop Elements software but a post on the Adobe forum brought no results and I am unable to contact Adobe.
<Edited by Host>

Hello Garry. Thanks for the reply. I guess I should have used a different title from "How do I post a question?" That should come after trying to resolved the colour settings first. However, to answer your question, after experimenting with all the different settings in Photoshop Elements and Epson software, I now start with PSE11 Colour settings then click "no colour management" then after clicking Print, I choose "More Options/Colour Management/Colour Handling/Printer Manages Colour" then I choose "Page Setup/Layout/Colour Matching" which then shows Epson Colour Controls but I also choose "Layout/Colour Management" which then shows "Colour Controls/Mode" I then of course choose an Epson printer profile depending on the paper I am using. I get good results but as I said, the Colour Matching and Colour Controls are then greyed out. Hope that makes sense.

How do I fix colour picker to work across different colour-managed monitors?

Hey everyone!
I'm assuming this problem I'm having stems from having colour-calibrated monitors, but let me know if I'm wrong!
To preface, this is the setup I have:
Windows 7
3 monitors as follows, all have individual colour profiles calibrated using the Spyder 3
Cintiq 12WX
Dell U2410
Dell 2409WFP
Photoshop CS6 - Proofed with Monitor RGB, and tested with colour-managed and non-colour-managed documents
I usually do most of my work on the Cintiq 12WX, but pull the photoshop window to my main monitor to do large previews and some corrections. I noticed that the colour picker wouldn't pick colours consistently depending on the monitor the Photoshop window is on.
Here are some video examples:
This is how the colour picker works on my Dell U2410: http://screencast.com/t/lVevxk5Ihk
This is how it works on my Cintiq 12WX: http://screencast.com/t/tdREx4Xyhw9
Main Question
I know the Cintiq's video capture makes the picture look more saturated than the Dell's, but it actually looks fine physically, which is okay. But notice how the Cintiq's colour picker doesn't pick a matching colour. It was actually happening the opposite way for a while (Dell was off, Cintiq was fine), but it magically swapped while I was trying to figure out what was going on. Anyone know what's going on, and how I might fix it?
Thanks for *any* help!
Semi-related Question regarding Colour Management
Colour management has always been the elephant-in-the-room for me when I first tried to calibrate my monitors with a Spyder colourimeter years ago. My monitors looked great, but Photoshop's colours became unpredictable and I decided to abandon the idea of calibrating my monitors for years until recently. I decided to give it another chance and follow some tutorials and articles in an attempt to keep my colours consistent across Photoshop and web browsers, at least. I've been proofing against monitor colour and exporting for web without an attached profile to keep pictures looking good on web browsers. However, pictures exported as such will look horrible when uploaded to Facebook. Uploading pictures with an attached colour profile makes it look good on Facebook. This has forced me to export 2 versions of a picture, one with an attached colour profile and one without, each time I want to share it across different platform. Is there no way to fix this issue?
Pictures viewed in Windows Photo Viewer are also off-colour, but I think that's because it's not colour managed... but that's a lesser concern.

I think I've figured out the colour management stuff in the secondary question, but the weird eyedropper issue is still happening. Could just be a quirk from working on things across multiple monitors, but I'm hoping someone might know if this is a bug/artifact.
Going to lay out what I inferred from my experiments regarding colour management in case other noobs like me run into the same frustrations as I did. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong - the following are all based on observation.
General Explanation
A major source of my problems stem from my erroneous assumption that all browsers will use sRGB when rendering images. Apparently, most popular browsers today are colour-managed, and will use an image's embedded colour profile if it exists, and the monitor's colour profile if it doesn't. This was all well and good before I calibrated my monitors, because the profile attached to them by default were either sRGB or a monitor default that's close to it. While you can never guarantee consistency on other people's monitors, you can catch most cases by embedding a colour profile - even if it is sRGB. This forces colour-managed browsers to use sRGB to render your image, while non-colour-managed browsers will simply default to sRGB. sRGB seems to be the profile used by Windows Photo Viewer too, so images saved in other wider gamut colour spaces will look relatively drab when viewed in WPV versus a colour-managed browser.
Another key to figuring all this out was understanding how Profile Assignment and Conversion work, and the somewhat-related soft-proofing feature. Under Edit, you are given the option to either assign a colour profile to the image, or convert the image to another colour profile. Converting an image to a colour profile will replace the colour profile and perform colour compensations so that the image will look as physically close to the original as possible. Assigning a profile only replaces the colour profile but performs no compensations. The latter is simulated when soft-proofing (View > Proof Colors or ctrl/cmd-Y). I had followed bad advice and made the mistake of setting up my proofing to Monitor Color because this made images edited in Photoshop look identical when the same image is viewed in the browser, which was rendering my images with the Monitor's colour profile, which in turn stemmed from yet another bad advice I got against embedding profiles . This should formally answer Lundberg's bewilderment over my mention of soft-proofing against Monitor Colour.
Conclusion and Typical Workflow (aka TL;DR)
To begin, these are the settings I use:
Color Settings: I leave it default at North American General Purpose 2, but probably switch from sRGB to AdobeRGB or ProPhoto RGB so I can play in a wider gamut.
Proof Setup: I don't really care about this anymore because I do not soft-proof (ctrl/cmd-Y) in this new workflow.
Let's assume that I have a bunch of photographs I want to post online. RAWs usually come down in the AdobeRGB colour space - a nice, wide gamut that I'll keep while editing. Once I've made my edits, I save the source PSD to prep for export for web.
To export to web, I first Convert to the sRGB profile by going to Edit > Convert to Profile. I select sRGB as the destination space, and change the Intent to either Perceptual or Relative Colorimetric, depending on what looks best to me. This will convert the image to the sRGB colour space while trying to keep the colours as close to the original as possible, although some shift may occur to compensate for the narrower gamut. Next, go to Save for Web. The settings you'll use:
Embed Color Profile CHECKED
Convert to sRGB UNCHECKED (really doesn't matter since you're already in the sRGB colour space)
and Preview set to Internet Standard RGB (this is of no consequence - but it will give a preview of what the image will look like in the sRGB space)
That's it! While there might be a slight shift in colour when you converted from AdobeRGB to sRGB, everything from then on should stay consistent from Photoshop to the browser
Edit: Of course, if you'd like people to view your photos in glorious wide gamut in their colour-managed browsers, you can skip the conversion to sRGB and keep them in AdobeRGB. When Saving for Web, simply remember to Embed the Color Profile, DO NOT convert to sRGB, and set Preview to "Use Document Profile" to see what the image would look like when drawn with the embedded color profile

When I try disabling colour management in the printer driver, it keeps turning back on

I'm using Lightroom v2.4 and a Canon Pixma Pro 9500 printer with the latest driver. I've just tried to print from Lightroom for the first time since moving to this latest version of Lightroom and when I go into print setup and turn off colour management, the driver doesn't keep the setting. Nor does it allow me to do borderless printing. My choice of print quality is also lost - this never used to be a problem.
This is very frustrating and means I must use Photoshop to print which takes longer when there is much to do. Please can someone offer some advice. I can print from Photoshop without this happening.
Thanks
Joanne

Have you tried creating Print templates in LR? Available from the left panel
in Print module. That's what I do to make sure the printer driver settings
stay the same.
Are you quite sure you have the latest 9500 driver?
Eric
I'm using Windows XP SP3, and I have just one button at the bottom left of the
Lightroom print diaglogue window called 'Page settings', when you click this,
you can select the printer and go into properties, which is where I normally
disable colour management. It is also refusing to print at standard quality,
but it defaulting to high quality (which takes a lot longer).
Thing is that I can print from Photoshop without problems and it's from
Photoshop where I do much of my printing, but printing from Lightroom is good
if I have a big load of prints to do as it's so much quicker to set up and it
has the picture package facility.

Colour management warning for dual display users

For those of you who require a colour managed workflow and have more than one display, be very careful in Mountain Lion. It appears to have a bizarre bug where images loaded and shown on the primary display (e.g. in Preview) are initially rendered with the colour profile from the secondary display, or something along those lines. Dragging the display window to the secondary display and back again sorts things out. I've filed a bug report.
If your two (or more) monitors have the same colour profile, you won't have a problem. The only workaround I can see is to set your least important display(s) to all have the same profile as your (probably calibrated, if these things matter to you) primary display, at least until (if?) the bug gets fixed.
If you want to see it for yourself, set your two displays to differing profiles - e.g. NTSC (1953) on the primary and Wide Gamut RGB on the secondary. Then load an image into Preview - something with lots of shades of red "works" well for the colour profiles mentioned. Take a screenshot of the Preview window as a reference. Move the window to the secondary display; note the colour shift as it gets re-rendered. Now drag it back to the primary display. It'll look quite different compared to the screenshot you took earlier, despite the fact it's the same image being shown by the same application on the same display in the same window... All you did was drag the window between two monitors and back again.
It doesn't seem to matter if the image in question has a colour profile embedded in it or not. When comparing with your screenshot, feel free to drag the screenshot between the monitors too - after all, it'll be suffering the same rendering bug! You'll still see a different result; in fact it may even be magnified by the accumulated rendering errors.
Preview isn't the only application affected; I've seen identical issues under harder to replicate circumstances in Safari, for example.
Given this fault and others I've seen with colour rendering in Lion, plus several new bugs found in Mountain Lion, I'm afraid that if a colour managed workflow is important to you - well - Snow Leopard or Windows...?! Ugh, what a mess

I've encountered many of the same woes with color management being a graphic designer, but here's my issue:
Have a 15" (Early 2011) Macbook Pro. It is turned on with me hooked up to my Dell U2410 and display open for a dual display configuration. The Dell is my primary monitor.
I then unplug my MBP to use it around the house. I go to plug it back into the Dell for my dual monitor. I notice that the color on the Dell looks good, but now the MBP has a very blue color temperature. Like moving from the preconfigured 'Color LCD' profile to 'sRGB' which definitely shifts to a blue color on the MBP.
I check the color profiles in System Settings and the Color profiles are correct. 'Dell U2410' for my Dell and 'Color LCD' for my MBP. But as I said, it's much bluer than standard. I try to change the color profiles around on the MBP and no matter which I select it's always the same color with no shifts I would expect to see.
Only solution I have found is to restart my computer. Upon restarting all is well again in the world.
It's pretty annoying having to restart my computer everytime I plug it back into my workstation with Dell and keyboard.
Related note: USB does not work when I plug things back and again have to restart to fix this.

Colour management - embedded profiles

Could anyone assist as I haven't had this problem in CS5 photoshop but when I upgraded to CS6 photoshop I followed the recommended settings like using ProPhoto RBG.
I edit in the working space colour management but not always have the same results on screen...have calibrated my monitor.
Then when it does look correct on screen and I re-import into Photoshop, my picture turns out bright red and I need to use Adobe RBG (1998). I am saving the pictures with the profile embedded, works better with Adobe RBG.
What should I be using as the settings as well as management policies - currently Preserve Embedded Profiles?
I don't want to have nice looking pictures in Photoshop and then have them print incorrectly or look terrible on another monitor.
Thanks

it would be more accurate to say that the Working RGB is "Assumed" not Assigned...assigning is an action of tagging the image.
Hi, Jeff, I concede your point.
If I recall correctly, Bruce and color.org also favor that terminology?
Though as a non-technical writer targeting beginners, I prefer to use "in essence," "for practical purposes" Photoshop is "Assigning" its default/working space under c.pfaffenbichler's scenario because it has the same end effect -- the proof is -- manually Edit> Assign Profile (working space) and the source RGB Converts to Monitor RGB and Print Space exactly the same as c.pfaffenbichler's approach (or is that not correct?).
But I do believe everyone here agrees that THE CORRECT SOURCE PROFILE MUST ALWAYS BE ASSUMED OR ASSIGNED BEFORE PHOTOSHOP CAN FAITHFULLY CONVERT/TRANSFORM SOURCE COLORS TO MONITOR RGB, DESTINATION PROFILES OR SPECIFIC PRINT SPACES.
For me, I think my loose "Assign" terminology is easier to visualize and demonstrate in a learning environment (at least it was for me to grasp or describe the concept in an active, visual sense).
On the other hand, I think "Assume" better suits OSX and Windows engineering assumptions the monitor is an sRGB-compliant device in an unmanaged viewing environment -- but that's just how I choose to present my theories.
As always, I prefer a shredding if I am wrong or unclear because my goal is to get it right and to the point...
G BALLARD

Relationship between the Koren Colour Management Model and PSE11

I would like to relate the settings I apply to colour printing in PSE11 to the general model of Colour Management, in particular that described by Norman Koren(see his Papers on the internet). Then I will better understand what I am doing.
I have an Epson printer and the driver contains the paper profiles for Epson papers.
In principle, the Koren Model shows each device(camera image, monitor and printer) is linked through its Colour Engine(with the device profile infeed) to the central Image Working Colour Space.
The PSE11 controls are:
1. Printer Settings(through the Windows printer menus)
2. Colour Management (through Edit->Colour Management, and
3. Printer settings(through the File->print screens).
1 and 3 are clearly associated with the printer. What happens when I select the options in 3? Am I modifying the paper profiles?
Is there any control over the central Image Working Space? Is the Koren Model more complicated than the PSE11 Model?
I know Colour Management can get very complicated - but I hope to find an explanation that will help an amateur photographer!
Grateful for any help.

The menu edit / color management defines which color space will be used internally by Elements to record the edits which change the RGB values of pixels. A correct choice will insure a correct rendition on a calibrated display.
Several cases :
- the photo file is tagged for a specific color space. Then, if Elements can work internally with that color space, it uses it for the calculations. Contrary to common belief, Elements can work internally with other spaces than sRGB or aRGB. Lightroom users can easily check that a Prophoto tagged image can be processed in Elements. The picture is correctly displayed and when you 'save as' the checkbox for color space, it is in Prophoto RGB.
- The photos are not tagged : that's where the options to 'optimize' for sRGB come into play. The internal working space will be assigned to the photo : sRGB to optimize for screen, aRGB to optimize for print.
- Another situation : raw files. Raw data don't have a color space. They simply record the 'brightness' of the light gathered under the RGB filters. The correct 'white balance' and color space are defined in the conversion process. In the ACR module of Elements, there is no dialog for you to choose between sRGB or aRGB. The settings in your camera are ignored. Instead, ACR reads your choice for optimization in that edit / color menu. The conversion menu adopts the color space in that menu.
So, that menu is mainly to define which color space will be chosen as 'working space' and what to do if that color space is not yet defined in the file metadata header.
The printer and paper color settings are not taken into account here, only in the print module.
Edit:
I forgot to mention that the same edit / color menu is there to provide ways to convert to another color space (converting the RBG values, not only assigning a color space tag).

Colour managment, printing from inkjet as apose to laser.

Hi All!
My problem with illustrator is about colour management. I used a laser print while I was on placement and now using my injet a home and now it doesn’t print out the right colour. I have a set of logos which I want in the company colours. I don’t want to change them manually for this reason.
I did a bit of research on colour management for instance RIP separations, acrobat distiller etc. I don’t really know where im going wrong. My computer is XP windows and I have the Adobe master suite collection.
I don’t know if the colours changing because of a printer change or whether it’s more connected to the actual illustrator program.
Have anyone got any helpful suggestions?
Helen

Every inkjet printer wants to see RGB colors. If you send an inkjet CMYK colors it's confused. It doesn't understand the CMYK data so it converts it to something it does understand - RGB. It then takes that RGB data and converts it for printing to CcMmYyK. This double-conversion can quite often result in color shifts.
This, combined with the fact that most inkjet printers don't have a RIP, yields less-than-great results on inkjets when printing from Illustrator in most cases.
By simply saving the file as a PDF (No need for Distiller) you use Acrobat as a software RIP. Then if you print the PDF from Acrobat to the inkjet you'll get more more accurate results.

Disable colour management?

I find myself needing to output a video signal from my Mac mini that isn't tampered with in any way whatsoever. The MP4 video files are precisely prepared, and are to be output over HDMI using a Thunderbolt to HDMI adapter. They must reach the destination display without any colour management altering the video data. I can't find a way of assigning no profile to the external display.
Is there some way of achieving my goal using OS X Mountain Lion? I already believe it's possible with Windows 7.
Merry Christmas!

No way of doing this?

Yet another colour management thread

Here is a warm, saturated image worked on in lightroom, converted to adobe RGB on export, converted to SRGB on output from photoshop. (srg profile not embedded).
Its far too saturated and red
Here is the same image with the adobe rgb tagged.
and as srg with the profile embedded.
Now my understanding is that in IE all of these will display the same (and they do, i've tested it), and they all look like the oversaturated red one. I also understand that the gamut of your monitor will affect just how red they actually appear.
Windows also displays them all the same - the uber red version.
So the question is - how the frick are we supposed to supply these to our clients? Bearing in mind they all have different monitors, browsers, OS's. I've just had the client on the phone complaining about the saturation and it just sounds like so much ******** waffling about gamut and colour managed browsers.
Are you to just avoid warm saturated images? Is there an application that we can distribute with the images that will display them correctly? Because if I leave them on a DVD I have no control over what viewer will mangle the colour management.
I'd love some feedback on how other photographers deal with this issue.
EDIT: and joy of joys, adobe obviously strips out the colour managment when these are posted - because the 2nd two look correct in the edit window, but the same as the first when I post it

I clearly see the differences in you screen shot, although my version of IE seems to obey the color profiles I embed in our imagery.
I deal with color management like others in this thread - I use calibrated monitors, I profile using sRGB (the lowest common denominator tag for general digital distribution IMO) and advise my clients to do the same (calibrate!). Some commercial clients require CMYK, in that case I edit completly in sRGB and only convert to CMYK when creating final delivery imagery. I use Adobe PS default CMYK settings and I specify this up front in contractual agreements. I have yet to get many complaints that cannot be explained by failure to understand the huge variations in hardware and software that a viewer of digital images might encounter. This allows me to do the best I can and you gotta just let the rest go .

How to mimic non colour managed environment in CS6

Can anyone tell me please if it is possible to see in Photoshop what an image will look like when it is out in the un-colour managed world?.I can see how you can do it if you are saving for web because you can preview it in a browser, but is it possible to do this with TIFs and PSDss please?
I have a wide colour gamut display and even with it set to sRGB colour mode emulation, sRGB tagged images that look correctly saturated in Photoshop look oversaturated once out of it and in an uncolour managed environment - particularly the reds. If I can replicate this environment in PS I can edit the colours to make them more neutral looking.
Thanks.

I think you are very wise t have x2 sRGB displays. If a large sRGB display had been available I would have bought it.
Could you bear to help me with another - display issue,please?
As part of the work I do I have to make screen recordings of images being produced for the magazine. I use Camtasia for this and they insist on a 1024x768 resolution. This has been no problem in the past with my standard sRGB display (NEC 2490/2) because the aspect ratio was right for it.
The aspect ratio was not right for the Spectraview display (2560x1440) so I used the original 2490 also attached to my graphics card to make the recordings at 1024x768.
Now, something has changed in the arrangements and when I set the 1920x1200 display to 1024x768 the image stretches as if it were in the wide display. I am defeated as to why the standard display can no longer show 1024x768 at the correct aspect ratio.
I am not aware of having changed any W7 settings - both displays are recognised. Though I do notice that under the "advanced settings for the W7 resolution window, and under the "Monitor" tab, the 2490 is not available - only the wider display (271) - here is an image that shows this:
When you open the "Colour Management" tab all the resolutions are available for the 2490/2 but as I said, when you select the 1024x768, it appears as it would (and does) on the wider display.
Can you suggest what I've done wrong and how I might fix this, please.
Thanks.

Flash Colour Management Bug?

Can anyone get the Flash application in the following link to return anything other than "Color Correction is not supported."
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flash/quickstart/color_correction_as3.html
Does this mean that Colour management is Broken in Flash Player?
I have tried a bunch of browsers, Windows and Mac operating systems and tried using several different display profiles but cannot get this to return the correct value...
I have also configured my firefox about:config with the correct profile path (trying several different profiles)...
am i missing something?
Thanks!

The feature was browser independent. It even worked in IE < 9 which had never heard of color management. If I understand it correctly FlashPlayer gets the current primary display profile from the system not the browser and works with it. The browser independence was the most innovative part of this.
Anyway, whether color management works in Flash Player today or not is somehow intertwined with the wmode in use. Only wmode="window" works anymore. "opaque", "transparent", "gpu" and "direct" always give the stage.colorCorrectionSupport: unsupported status. Chrome's built in Flash player always gives that, too which makes sense considering what I wrote above. I have tested this on OS X, Win XP and Win7 64-bit today. On the latter I could not get it to work at all - might accessing the system's display profile be different on 64 bit windows or could it be a problem of having multiple screens on that machine? For testing I used the same ICC v2 display profile on all systems. I am very confident that in the past this worked with wmode="opaque" which I need to allow other things like lightboxes to be displayed above Flash elements.
The example http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flash/quickstart/color_correction_as3.html also uses wmode="opaque" so it fails today. Publishing the downlodable source files and viewing them with wmode="window" makes the feature work again. Could your team please fix this for the other wmodes - especially "opaque"?

Perennial colour management question (browser srgb)

Howdy folks,
I wish I knew why my photos get banding and crushed blacks in the colour managed browsers, but the exact same image looks fine in the color managed applications - bridge and photoshop.
Chrome and firefox do this:
Eeek! Green in my skies!
Photoshop does this:
and IE displays the colours incorrectly but without banding!
I've wondered about this for year. I thought at one point it might be a monitor profile setup issue, but it happens on both my monitors, I've changed systems and graphics cards.
Heres the whole image:
Here in chrome that sky has bands of purple and green (or at least turquoise). Anyone else seeing that?

Hi again all,
I've finally found some time yesterday to investigate this further and re-calibrate my monitor.
I nuked the previously created ICC monitor profile (so that there was none applied) and set to work with my Lacie Blue Eye device and the Lacie Blue Eye Pro software package. I set my preferred settings to 6500K, Gamma 2.2, 120cd/m2 and put the monitor into 'Standard' colour preset. I ran a test on those settings and while the colour and gamma levels were close-ish, the Lum was in the mid-high 200s...way too bright. (No wonder I felt like I was getting a tan sitting in front of the monitor. LOL!) DeltaE scores were okay but not great... Time for the manual calibration.
Set the monitor into 'Custom' colour preset and fired up the Lacie calibration software for the full calibration. Can't remember exactly how far the brightness and contrast controls had to come down, but from memory it was about 30 and 50 respectively. The RGB levels ended up in the high 80s each from memory. Ran the calibration, applied the newly created profile (double checked it was applied in Control Panel | Colour Management). Ran another test report with the Lacie software and got colour, gamma and lum results 0-1% from target, and average dE scores of 0.4, max dE of 0.7.
RAW files in LR and PS CS4 appear the same, sRGB jpeg exports viewed in Windows Photo Viewer and Firefox appear the same, IE is still a bit out, but that's expected/known.
I took the (exported jpeg) images to another computer with a cheapy (uncalibrated) LCD monitor and the results were perfectly fine when viewed in Windows Photo Viewer.
Having greatly reduced the brightness of my monitor I should hopefully reduce the likelihood of having issues with prints coming back too dark. Of course I know I can get hold of the printer profiles from my lab and softproof the images in CS4 when it comes to that anyway.
Thank you all for your input and feedback on this matter. Everything seems to be resolved now.
Chris

Colour management in CS6 for Internet

Hi, I am using CS6 but I am having trouble with my colour management for web pages. When I save the CS6 image for web and view it I always have to go back in and reduce hue by -20 to get colours on the web that I see originally in CS6.
Workflow: Windows 7, Capture camera RAW Adobe RGB, in CS6 color settings Adobe RGB (1998), work image in Adobe RGB but if target web I view proof colors internet standard RGB, finally i edit conver to profile sRGB, using Adobe color engine on perceptual intent. I then save for web. When I view the images on the web or microsoft office 2010 the colours are too vivid, I have to go back into CS6 and decrease hue (especially reds) by around -20, to get on the web what I originally saw on CS6.
Any help most welcome. Steve

Agreed.
With a wide-gamut monitor like the Eizo CX240, Firefox is definitely the best browser, with gfx.color_management.mode set to 1, as twenty-one describes. It's the only way of seeing correct colours of untagged photos or graphics (most of which will be sRGB, i.e. quite different from the Eizo's colour space).
But bear in mind that many Windows programs are not colour managed, including Microsoft Office and the Windows desktop. As you found, colours are going to be over-saturated on a wide-gamut monitor unless colour-managed - that is, the monitor has to be correctly profiled/calibrated (as yours is) AND the program displaying the colours has to use colour management.
PS - you didn't mention this, but check if your xrite software is creating "v2" or "v4" profiles. If the software doesn't give that as a choice, then it's almost certainly creating v2 profiles. Some software misbehaves with v4 profiles, and I recommend v2. However, if you are using v4 and get any problems, try v2 just to eliminate that.

Photoshop 7 Colour Management Problem (WinXP)

Hi,
I just a problem studio while swapping over 2 Windows XP machines, having swapped over the 1st PC Photoshop 7 lost it's colour management settings.
All images viewed now appeared hazey to the user. So we swapped the PCs back to the original monitor however the colour settings we are prompted for
when opening Photoshop 7 have now been lost..
We tried alll the colour management templates listed but these are not right.
Is there away we can restore the original settings? Could these settings be saved in a file somewhere on the PCs hard disk?
Thanks in advanced.

The color settings should be in C:\Documents and Settings\Anita\Application Data\Adobe\Photoshop 7\ somewhere or they are in Photoshop's program directory under a Presets\Color folder
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