Colour management - embedded profiles

Could anyone assist as I haven't had this problem in CS5 photoshop but when I upgraded to CS6 photoshop I followed the recommended settings like using ProPhoto RBG.
I edit in the working space colour management but not always have the same results on screen...have calibrated my monitor.
Then when it does look correct on screen and I re-import into Photoshop, my picture turns out bright red and I need to use Adobe RBG (1998). I am saving the pictures with the profile embedded, works better with Adobe RBG.
What should I be using as the settings as well as management policies - currently Preserve Embedded Profiles?
I don't want to have nice looking pictures in Photoshop and then have them print incorrectly or look terrible on another monitor.
Thanks

it would be more accurate to say that the Working RGB is "Assumed" not Assigned...assigning is an action of tagging the image.
Hi, Jeff, I concede your point.
If I recall correctly, Bruce and color.org also favor that terminology?
Though as a non-technical writer targeting beginners, I prefer to use "in essence," "for practical purposes" Photoshop is "Assigning" its default/working space under c.pfaffenbichler's scenario because it has the same end effect -- the proof is -- manually Edit> Assign Profile (working space) and the source RGB Converts to Monitor RGB and Print Space exactly the same as c.pfaffenbichler's approach (or is that not correct?).
But I do believe everyone here agrees that THE CORRECT SOURCE PROFILE MUST ALWAYS BE ASSUMED OR ASSIGNED BEFORE PHOTOSHOP CAN FAITHFULLY CONVERT/TRANSFORM SOURCE COLORS TO MONITOR RGB, DESTINATION PROFILES OR SPECIFIC PRINT SPACES.
For me, I think my loose "Assign" terminology is easier to visualize and demonstrate in a learning environment (at least it was for me to grasp or describe the concept in an active, visual sense).
On the other hand, I think "Assume" better suits OSX and Windows engineering assumptions the monitor is an sRGB-compliant device in an unmanaged viewing environment -- but that's just how I choose to present my theories.
As always, I prefer a shredding if I am wrong or unclear because my goal is to get it right and to the point...
G BALLARD

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ICC profiles- iPhoto colour management issues.

I read in one of the Mac magazines the following regarding the release of iPhoto 5.0.3 ...."images are no longer colour-shifted after editing;....". Does anyone know if this refers to a resolution to the long running problem whereby iPhoto would overide the embedded ICC profile when saving back into iPhoto after editng in Photoshop. I do hope so as this was an unacceptable major flaw in a programme from Apple - a firm which prides itself at being at the forefront of colour management ! I can find no reference to this is in any release notes on the Apple support site - anyone with 'inside knowledge" ?

When I place the files into the document they become noticeably over saturated.
Select the image and check the ICC profile in the Links panel link info. Make sure its profile is the expected blurb CMYK profile. If it's Document CMYK check the document CMYK profile in Edit>Assign Profiles... and make sure it is the Blurb profile. The assigned profile can be different than the Color Setting's working space profile.

Colour management profile for LaserJet 2200 printer?

I am reasonably familiar with the basics of colour management. My monitor is calibrated, I use Epson's standard colour profiles for my Epson 3800 inkjet printer and what I see on the screen is more or less what I get out of this printer. However, I am having less success in controlling the printing on my HP LaserJet 2200 of monochrome images contained within an InDesign CS4 document.
The obvious answer would appear to be to use a purpose-designed printer profile for the HP LaserJet 2200 but, so far, I have failed to find a source for such a profile. Can anyone help?
David

When you save a grayscale (if you save in grayscale mode and aren't just saving a completely desaturated or otherwise made to look like grayscale RGB or CMYK mode image) in Photoshop you should be saving with a grayscale profile like Dot Gain 30% of Gamma 2.2 or something else from the list. These profiles are designed to match printing conditions of various types or different types of monitors (and I'm not going to go into a lot of detail here).
Photoshop understands grayscale profiles, InDesign does not, so it looks at the numbers and says these are all black, so they belong in the black channel, and I'll put them in that channel in the current document CMYK working space. Different CMYK profiles behave a little differently when you print, but to be perfectly honest, I've never really investigated the consequences of choosing one over another for printing grayscale, because all the information is already black and I don't think assigning a new profile would change anything (though CONVERTING to a new profile might well take your grayscale and make it a 4-color image).
Dot gain is the amount of "spread" that happens to each halftone spot wne the ink is absorbed by the paper, and the number is usually defined as the amount of gain for a 50% dot. Dot gain causes images to print darker. For a classic illustration, think of using an eyedropper to drop a single drop of ink onto a sheet of tissue paper, and you'll get the idea. Coated papers usually have better ink "holdout" (they are less absorbent) than uncoated papers, and thus lower dot gain.
Laser printers don't use liquid ink, but they do have gain. The toner is melted and gets absorbed into the surface of the paper as it goes through the fuser which is what keeps it from falling off as a pile of dust.
So how do the prints look now, and what are the settings you are using in the print dialog?

How do I fix colour picker to work across different colour-managed monitors?

Hey everyone!
I'm assuming this problem I'm having stems from having colour-calibrated monitors, but let me know if I'm wrong!
To preface, this is the setup I have:
Windows 7
3 monitors as follows, all have individual colour profiles calibrated using the Spyder 3
Cintiq 12WX
Dell U2410
Dell 2409WFP
Photoshop CS6 - Proofed with Monitor RGB, and tested with colour-managed and non-colour-managed documents
I usually do most of my work on the Cintiq 12WX, but pull the photoshop window to my main monitor to do large previews and some corrections. I noticed that the colour picker wouldn't pick colours consistently depending on the monitor the Photoshop window is on.
Here are some video examples:
This is how the colour picker works on my Dell U2410: http://screencast.com/t/lVevxk5Ihk
This is how it works on my Cintiq 12WX: http://screencast.com/t/tdREx4Xyhw9
Main Question
I know the Cintiq's video capture makes the picture look more saturated than the Dell's, but it actually looks fine physically, which is okay. But notice how the Cintiq's colour picker doesn't pick a matching colour. It was actually happening the opposite way for a while (Dell was off, Cintiq was fine), but it magically swapped while I was trying to figure out what was going on. Anyone know what's going on, and how I might fix it?
Thanks for *any* help!
Semi-related Question regarding Colour Management
Colour management has always been the elephant-in-the-room for me when I first tried to calibrate my monitors with a Spyder colourimeter years ago. My monitors looked great, but Photoshop's colours became unpredictable and I decided to abandon the idea of calibrating my monitors for years until recently. I decided to give it another chance and follow some tutorials and articles in an attempt to keep my colours consistent across Photoshop and web browsers, at least. I've been proofing against monitor colour and exporting for web without an attached profile to keep pictures looking good on web browsers. However, pictures exported as such will look horrible when uploaded to Facebook. Uploading pictures with an attached colour profile makes it look good on Facebook. This has forced me to export 2 versions of a picture, one with an attached colour profile and one without, each time I want to share it across different platform. Is there no way to fix this issue?
Pictures viewed in Windows Photo Viewer are also off-colour, but I think that's because it's not colour managed... but that's a lesser concern.

I think I've figured out the colour management stuff in the secondary question, but the weird eyedropper issue is still happening. Could just be a quirk from working on things across multiple monitors, but I'm hoping someone might know if this is a bug/artifact.
Going to lay out what I inferred from my experiments regarding colour management in case other noobs like me run into the same frustrations as I did. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong - the following are all based on observation.
General Explanation
A major source of my problems stem from my erroneous assumption that all browsers will use sRGB when rendering images. Apparently, most popular browsers today are colour-managed, and will use an image's embedded colour profile if it exists, and the monitor's colour profile if it doesn't. This was all well and good before I calibrated my monitors, because the profile attached to them by default were either sRGB or a monitor default that's close to it. While you can never guarantee consistency on other people's monitors, you can catch most cases by embedding a colour profile - even if it is sRGB. This forces colour-managed browsers to use sRGB to render your image, while non-colour-managed browsers will simply default to sRGB. sRGB seems to be the profile used by Windows Photo Viewer too, so images saved in other wider gamut colour spaces will look relatively drab when viewed in WPV versus a colour-managed browser.
Another key to figuring all this out was understanding how Profile Assignment and Conversion work, and the somewhat-related soft-proofing feature. Under Edit, you are given the option to either assign a colour profile to the image, or convert the image to another colour profile. Converting an image to a colour profile will replace the colour profile and perform colour compensations so that the image will look as physically close to the original as possible. Assigning a profile only replaces the colour profile but performs no compensations. The latter is simulated when soft-proofing (View > Proof Colors or ctrl/cmd-Y). I had followed bad advice and made the mistake of setting up my proofing to Monitor Color because this made images edited in Photoshop look identical when the same image is viewed in the browser, which was rendering my images with the Monitor's colour profile, which in turn stemmed from yet another bad advice I got against embedding profiles . This should formally answer Lundberg's bewilderment over my mention of soft-proofing against Monitor Colour.
Conclusion and Typical Workflow (aka TL;DR)
To begin, these are the settings I use:
Color Settings: I leave it default at North American General Purpose 2, but probably switch from sRGB to AdobeRGB or ProPhoto RGB so I can play in a wider gamut.
Proof Setup: I don't really care about this anymore because I do not soft-proof (ctrl/cmd-Y) in this new workflow.
Let's assume that I have a bunch of photographs I want to post online. RAWs usually come down in the AdobeRGB colour space - a nice, wide gamut that I'll keep while editing. Once I've made my edits, I save the source PSD to prep for export for web.
To export to web, I first Convert to the sRGB profile by going to Edit > Convert to Profile. I select sRGB as the destination space, and change the Intent to either Perceptual or Relative Colorimetric, depending on what looks best to me. This will convert the image to the sRGB colour space while trying to keep the colours as close to the original as possible, although some shift may occur to compensate for the narrower gamut. Next, go to Save for Web. The settings you'll use:
Embed Color Profile CHECKED
Convert to sRGB UNCHECKED (really doesn't matter since you're already in the sRGB colour space)
and Preview set to Internet Standard RGB (this is of no consequence - but it will give a preview of what the image will look like in the sRGB space)
That's it! While there might be a slight shift in colour when you converted from AdobeRGB to sRGB, everything from then on should stay consistent from Photoshop to the browser
Edit: Of course, if you'd like people to view your photos in glorious wide gamut in their colour-managed browsers, you can skip the conversion to sRGB and keep them in AdobeRGB. When Saving for Web, simply remember to Embed the Color Profile, DO NOT convert to sRGB, and set Preview to "Use Document Profile" to see what the image would look like when drawn with the embedded color profile

Files with embedded profiles shown as untagged in Bridge.Bridge only right about files saved from PS

Photoshop works perfectly when saving files as .psds etc. or PDF-Standards (PDF-X etc.), embedding the profiles correctly. However, InDesign and Illustrator do not embed any colour profiles in .pdfs, in their native formats (.indd and .ai) or any other format apart from .jpg.
Why is Photoshop working perfectly, yet AI and INDD are not? Everything was installed at the same time, and the colour management settings are all synchronised in bridge.
All I want to be able to do is save as one of the default PDF-X settings (via File > Save As in Illustrator), but as I said, saving as the same PDF-X standard across all 3 programs only embeds the profile if saved from Photoshop. I don’t have the slightest clue why Photshop is the only one that works.
Although, according to this post, which seems very similar to my question, it might be Adobe Brdige CS5 that is wrong: http://forums.adobe.com/message/3565578
Because I have files that Bridge shows as untagged, which upon opening do in fact have an embedded colour profile. Ugh, this stuff is confusing!

Thanks so much for your help, I didn't know any of those things. Very interesting.
In regards to Photoshop rasterizing PDFs, what exactly are the ramifications of that? A PDF-X saved from Photoshop is still fine to send to the print press, right?
So far, all the print work I do I design in the colour space specified by my printer, then save as a PDF-X1a (which is also what they specify), by doing 'Save As' in Illlustrator. I also name the file with the colour space, and my printer has not had any problems with this.
The reason I'm asking about colour management, is that I may start expanding into the area of designing adverts for newspapers and magazines, and this involves different colour spaces. And newspapers etc. around here won't be as fussy about colour management as my print-press, which is a very good print company. So it would be better if I knew they were getting PDFs from me with embedded colour profiles.
I think the situation is that when I save things with embedded profiles, that it does in fact work, despite what Bridge, Illustrator and InDesign say. I have .ai files that show up in Bridge as untagged, but when opened in Illustrator, do indeed have an embedded colour profile.
It's very confusing to know what's going on.
A rather non-technical workaround, which alot of people seem to use, is just designing the file in the correct colour space, saving the file in that colour space, naming the file with that colour space, and then when it gets to the printer/magazine/newspaper etc. hoping that (A) there is colour profile data in the file that people can see at the destination or (B) the people at the destination know from the file name that you designed it in the correct space, and so they just Assign Profile at their end, and all is well.
I mean, what's the alternative, I can't suddenly stop using Illustrator and InDesign, and doing ALL my work in Photoshop, just because of what Bridge says!

Embedded profile mismatch after saving Indesign to PDF, what to do please???

After importing some pica's from photoshop to indesign and saving it as a pdf, I noticed that my colours are totally wrong.
I now get the message:
Embedded profile mismatch
The document's embedded colour profile does not match the current RGB working space.
The current RGB colour management policy is to discard profiles that do not match the working space.
Embedded: Adobe RGB (1998)
Working: sRGB IEC61966-2.1
What do I have to do to make sure the chosen colours stay as they are??? I read something about a PDF/X-standard and
the possibility to copy a file from one to another map, but I'm totally lost now.
Can this be solved with the printerguy by asking joboptions???
Just Pannicing ........
Thnx upfront, Marjolein

That depends on how much you care about profile mismatches. you can turn off the warning dialog in Edit> Color Settings by unchecking the "ask when opening" button. Otherwise, you might want to note the document profile, then set your application back to that.

Colour management warning for dual display users

For those of you who require a colour managed workflow and have more than one display, be very careful in Mountain Lion. It appears to have a bizarre bug where images loaded and shown on the primary display (e.g. in Preview) are initially rendered with the colour profile from the secondary display, or something along those lines. Dragging the display window to the secondary display and back again sorts things out. I've filed a bug report.
If your two (or more) monitors have the same colour profile, you won't have a problem. The only workaround I can see is to set your least important display(s) to all have the same profile as your (probably calibrated, if these things matter to you) primary display, at least until (if?) the bug gets fixed.
If you want to see it for yourself, set your two displays to differing profiles - e.g. NTSC (1953) on the primary and Wide Gamut RGB on the secondary. Then load an image into Preview - something with lots of shades of red "works" well for the colour profiles mentioned. Take a screenshot of the Preview window as a reference. Move the window to the secondary display; note the colour shift as it gets re-rendered. Now drag it back to the primary display. It'll look quite different compared to the screenshot you took earlier, despite the fact it's the same image being shown by the same application on the same display in the same window... All you did was drag the window between two monitors and back again.
It doesn't seem to matter if the image in question has a colour profile embedded in it or not. When comparing with your screenshot, feel free to drag the screenshot between the monitors too - after all, it'll be suffering the same rendering bug! You'll still see a different result; in fact it may even be magnified by the accumulated rendering errors.
Preview isn't the only application affected; I've seen identical issues under harder to replicate circumstances in Safari, for example.
Given this fault and others I've seen with colour rendering in Lion, plus several new bugs found in Mountain Lion, I'm afraid that if a colour managed workflow is important to you - well - Snow Leopard or Windows...?! Ugh, what a mess

I've encountered many of the same woes with color management being a graphic designer, but here's my issue:
Have a 15" (Early 2011) Macbook Pro. It is turned on with me hooked up to my Dell U2410 and display open for a dual display configuration. The Dell is my primary monitor.
I then unplug my MBP to use it around the house. I go to plug it back into the Dell for my dual monitor. I notice that the color on the Dell looks good, but now the MBP has a very blue color temperature. Like moving from the preconfigured 'Color LCD' profile to 'sRGB' which definitely shifts to a blue color on the MBP.
I check the color profiles in System Settings and the Color profiles are correct. 'Dell U2410' for my Dell and 'Color LCD' for my MBP. But as I said, it's much bluer than standard. I try to change the color profiles around on the MBP and no matter which I select it's always the same color with no shifts I would expect to see.
Only solution I have found is to restart my computer. Upon restarting all is well again in the world.
It's pretty annoying having to restart my computer everytime I plug it back into my workstation with Dell and keyboard.
Related note: USB does not work when I plug things back and again have to restart to fix this.

Yet another colour management thread

Here is a warm, saturated image worked on in lightroom, converted to adobe RGB on export, converted to SRGB on output from photoshop. (srg profile not embedded).
Its far too saturated and red
Here is the same image with the adobe rgb tagged.
and as srg with the profile embedded.
Now my understanding is that in IE all of these will display the same (and they do, i've tested it), and they all look like the oversaturated red one. I also understand that the gamut of your monitor will affect just how red they actually appear.
Windows also displays them all the same - the uber red version.
So the question is - how the frick are we supposed to supply these to our clients? Bearing in mind they all have different monitors, browsers, OS's. I've just had the client on the phone complaining about the saturation and it just sounds like so much ******** waffling about gamut and colour managed browsers.
Are you to just avoid warm saturated images? Is there an application that we can distribute with the images that will display them correctly? Because if I leave them on a DVD I have no control over what viewer will mangle the colour management.
I'd love some feedback on how other photographers deal with this issue.
EDIT: and joy of joys, adobe obviously strips out the colour managment when these are posted - because the 2nd two look correct in the edit window, but the same as the first when I post it

I clearly see the differences in you screen shot, although my version of IE seems to obey the color profiles I embed in our imagery.
I deal with color management like others in this thread - I use calibrated monitors, I profile using sRGB (the lowest common denominator tag for general digital distribution IMO) and advise my clients to do the same (calibrate!). Some commercial clients require CMYK, in that case I edit completly in sRGB and only convert to CMYK when creating final delivery imagery. I use Adobe PS default CMYK settings and I specify this up front in contractual agreements. I have yet to get many complaints that cannot be explained by failure to understand the huge variations in hardware and software that a viewer of digital images might encounter. This allows me to do the best I can and you gotta just let the rest go .

PSD Colour Preference & icc profile for Print and Web projects?

Using the same Photoshop files for Web- and (4c) printed media projects
i wonder if these settings are suitable to enable a good range
for both -
may you please let me know ?
i look forward to any feedback,
thanks a lot in advance!
---- please visit
http://img35.imageshack.us/f/psdwebprint.jpg/
http://img35.imageshack.us/f/psdwebprint.jpg/for a screenshot of these settings ---
1 - PSD PREFERENCE SETTINGS
... via
edit / colour settings / settings :
WORKING SPACES:
RGB - ECi rgb
CMYK - Coated FOGRA39 (OR Iso Coated V2 (ECI))
Gray - Gamma 2.2
Spot - Dot Gain 15%
COLOR MANAGEMENT POLICIES
RGB, CMYK, Gray - Preserve embedded Profiles
Profile Mismatch - checked/active Ask when Opening, checked/active Ask when Pasting
Profile Mismatch - checked/active Ask when Opening
CONVERSION OPTIONS
Engine - Adobe (ACE)
Intent - Relative Colormetric
checked/active Use Black Point ...
checked/active Use Dither ...
checked/active Compensate for scene ...
ADVANCED CONTROLS
unchecked/ Not active Desaturate ... 20%
unchecked/ Not active Blend RGB ... 1.00%
2 - FILE SETTINGS/PROFILE TAGGING
... via
edit / Assign Profile
PROFILE TAGGING FOR WEB
... ... Assign SRgb .ICC Profile
PROFILE TAGGING FOR PRINT
... ... Assign Coated FOGRA39 (OR Iso Coated V2 (ECI)) .ICC Profile

You might want to take a look at Deke McClelland'ssuggestion. Here's a link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A1rDNkgMF8

Advanced colour management

(nice beta)
I can see that my copy of Safari reads and uses embedded iccc profiles in images: that's no news and I can confirm it works fine.
But what it doesn't seem to do is to use the assigned output device profile to display web content. That's odd.. maybe I've not set something up correctly... let me explain....
My monitor's calibrated to be as close to sRGB as it can be set. The calibration's stored in the nVidia look up table (LUT). It's close to sRGB, but it's not bang-on. Fortunately the colorimeter people (ColorVision) know you can never get things precisely correct, and so when you calibrate your monitor they provide you with a "monitor profile". That's assigned to the monitor via the Operating system. On a PC the profile's not used by the OS: it's there to be read by applications.
So if I run PS/CS3 and look at images with various colour profiles, they all look as you'd expect. That's because CS3 both reads the embedded profiles, and also it reads the monitor profile from the OS, and munges the output accordingly. My colours are fine in PS/CS3.
Finally I get to the question...
When I run Safari, is it* intended* to read the monitor profile and make use of it?
I kind of expected it to, as there's limited utility in parsing embedded profiles if you don't render the output correctly. It would actually be more useful to deal with the monitor profile than to read embedded profiles. If it should do this, then this is a defect. If it shouldn't, then I'll worry about something else.
To be clear, I'm talking about minor differences which 99% of people probably can't see.
Lisa Windows Vista

What will confirm that Safari is actually working correctly is by looking at the three tagged files in the top-center column -- these should look the same (except for the drop shadow in one of the files).
Yes, they do look the same, i.e. Safari recognizes the profiles and converts them to the same color space. However, that is no proof that this space is the monitor color space.
All this means Safari may still be reading the profile and converting to sRGB, as you seem to be suggesting, but I doubt it because that's not the way color managed applications work. How have you came to believe this?
As you also said, many monitors are 'close' to sRGB, so it is not always easy to distinguish between monitor RGB and sRGB. To avoid this, I have temporarily calibrated to a gamma of 1.0 (1.8 works as well, but 1.0 is even more obvious). This extreme gamma adjustment is done through the video LUT, so it applies to all programs, color managed or not. Photoshop CS3 and Lightroom respond by compensating accordingly, so that the output appears correct after all. Safari doesn't, so we can conclude that Safari does not (fully/correctly) take the monitor profile into account.
So, given that my choice of profile does not seem to affect Safari's display, the next logical option is that some 'standard' target space is used. sRGB seems the most likely candidate. I have just verified that sRGB is indeed used, by comparing a Safari screenshot (the data that gets sent to the display) with the sRGB source image on your page. They are identical.
Still, testing sRGB is the trickiest space to look at because it is designed to mimic our monitor...though if other Windows users could confirm there is no noticable difference between the tagged/untagged sRGB files, I could become a believer that Windows assumes-assigns-applies sRGB to untagged files.
No, I don't think this is Windows' doing, as Safari is the only program showing such (broken) behavior. Also, note that it happens to tagged and untagged files. I think it's a Safari CM bug.
Simon
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Embedded Profiles

Dear All,
I wish to check my understanding of embedded profiles. I will have to print out from a second machine that I will not have the ICC profile I am using installed.
You use Edit>Convert to Profile
Edit>Colour Settings is set to preserve profiles
File>Save As is has the colour mangement box checked with the correct profile.
When you open the file on a second machine you use Print with the following settings:
Photoshop manages Colour
Printer Profile - IF THE PROFILE IS NOT INSTALLED ON THAT MACHINE WILL THE ORIGINAL PROFILE APPEAR?
Disable Printers colour management.
Will the image print out in correct profile? What about point 6

savispud wrote:
…6. Printer Profile - IF THE PROFILE IS NOT INSTALLED ON THAT MACHINE WILL THE ORIGINAL PROFILE APPEAR?…
Yes, that's why you embed the profile in the file, so that the profile trivels along with, right inside the file itself. That's what "embedded" means.

Colour Management in Flash (& secondary Display)

Hi All
when colour management has been enabled ("stage.colorCorrection = ColorCorrection.ON;"), Is the flash player capable of recognising and using the display profile from a secondary display when converting web content from the embedded profile or sRGB?
If so, what version was this implimented in (10?)
Thanks!

Apparently not...
"Although Flash Player color correction can be used on multiple-monitor configurations, only the main monitor's color profile is applied to the SWF file."
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flash/quickstart/color_correction_as3.html

Images with no Embedded Profile

Can anyone tell me what LR does in terms of Colour Management if you import a non-raw format image e.g JPEG, that has no profile associated with it?
Does it Assign a specific colour space - if so which?
Thxs
Colin

>Does it Assign a specific colour space - if so which?
Images without an embedded profile are assumed to be sRGB and will be handled accordingly by Lightroom (i.e. on-the-fly conversion to Lightroom's own RGB colour space). Remember that all editing is carried out in Lightroom RGB.

Printing Colour Issues - colour management settings

Hi there
I've been having some serious printing problems recently when I print from InDesign CS5 and also from Acrobat when printing PDFs exported from InDesign.
All of the print out colours a wrong (such as Blacks printing as pink)
I have tried changing several settings, but nothing seems to be fixing it.
I've replaced all my inks and I can print fine when printing in other programs such as word, so its not an ink issue.
My printer is a Canon MP540
I'm using a Mac, on OS X Lion.
I think i'm using the default colour management settings, however could this possibly be the issue?- which settings might work?
I would REALLY APPRECIATE any help with this issue!
Many Thanks

if I look at the same image in the default 'Preview' on Mac, the
colours look different to what I see in PS
First, that would clearly indicate your image does not have an embedded profile, or Ps is being told to ignore the embedded profile — Ps is applying a different profile (or it may have been dinked around with in its Edit> Color Settings> More Options> Advanced Controls).
It is best for most people not to dink around with Color Settings> More Options...to get back a Default starting point, just select a preset like North American Prepress 2.
I know there are a million posts and articles on this complex subject
You only need one good article to grasp the basic issues.
The short answer is you are either missing something in scenario One, or you are hitting a bug.
When Photoshop setups a correct SourceSpace-to-PrintSpace Conversion the Epson will print your file faithfully if your Source Color is within print gamut and your Print Space reflects an accurate ICC profile to the specific printer-paper-ink you are printing to.
I would recommend testing with a known good file like the download Photodisc PDI test image (so bad files don't confuse the process)...

Help diagnosing colour management problem - windows 7, CS3, Eye-one display 2

Hi,
I had my colour management all set up and working on my old laptop then I foolishly got a new laptop and am completely failing to get things straight.
The new laptop (Asus N56VM with Nvidia GT 630M) is running Windows 7.. I've calibrated the screen using my Pantone (X-Rite) eye-one display-two and straight away it looks much better to the eye. I calibrate to native white point which I always do with laptops.
I've used the following procedure to make Windows 7 load the profile at startup and removed the GretagMacbeth tool which attempts to do the same:
http://www.laszlopusztai.net/2009/08/23/stop-losing-display-calibration-with-windows-7/
Everything looks great except when I attempt to use anything with colour management.
Eg. All my old photos looked great in Adobe Bridge until I activated Color Management via it's settings and suddenly they look awful - sky blues turn turquoise.
If I open an sRGB tagged file in photoshop it looks the same - awful (using Preserve Embedded Profile and with a working space of Adobe 1998 in Color Settings)
Only way I can get images to look normal in Photoshop is to open them then ASSIGN the monitor profile to the image (I know this makes no sense to do and is in no way a workaround)... and it looks great.
Something's not right somewhere but not sure where to start looking since there are so many variables. Can anyone suggest a route to investigate based on what I've said so far? This is driving me nuts!

Ok, I use the same tool and software to calibrate my monitor. I disagree with Lazlo p about resetting Color Management. What you should have is under Devices>Display, click "Use my settings for this device". (You will have to go to the place you checked Windows display calibration and uncheck it first.)
When I first started using Win 7, I did not have either checked, (I didn't know about Windows Display Cal) and had fits. Then I checked "Use my settings..." and it ran fine.
The reason the Gregg MacBeth Calibration Loader tool is needed has to do with their reluctance in updating the software completely to run in 64 bit. The Calibration Loader has always been a part of their software and for at least, XP, has run seamlessly. I now have the icon for Cal Loader in my tray, and after reboot, I'll click it to be sure the profile has loaded. Most of the time it has.
I verified it with the support group who verified the need to use that tool in 64 bit. The workaround? An entirely new software package at a considerable sum!
So I did what Lazlo suggested, and when I had completed the changes, I clicked the cal loader icon in the Tray.
The display changed!
I trust the Cal Loader.
I do not grasp what MS implies in their discussion of WCS vs ICC, especially with respect that WCS is better.
Finally, I am doubtful that you should be using native white point. It's not simply a choice available to laptops, but to all LCD screens (AFAIK!). There is a huge difference between 6500K and native white point on the Dell u2412,so much so I dismissed it out of hand and tweak the colors in RGB during calibration. Your laptop may not offer that path.

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