Apple TV as WDS relay station?

We have a mixed Airport Extreme 802.11g/gigabit Ethernet LAN at our house. Because our widescreen TV is at the other end of the house, well out of the effective range of the Airport LAN, and our main iTunes "server" Mac is connected by gigE, I connected the Apple TV by wire as well. All that introduction is for what I want to do: Since the Apple TV's Airport interface is not being used, why can't I make it a WDS relay station for the Airport network? That would really extend our wireless LAN. I know you can do this with an Airport-equipped Mac that's connected by Ethernet...
PowerMac G5 Dualcore 2.33GHz Mac OS X (10.4.10) Apple TV w/32" Panasonic HDTV

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I'm afraid the tv can't be used in that capacity.

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Ok, thanks for clarifying that for me. Currently, I am unaware of any issues with OS X 10.8.x and the earlier 802.11b/g AirPorts or with them conflicting with earlier OS X Macs.
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AirPort Express as Relay Station?

I have read the article at http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107454, but I am still a little confused.
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- If so, are there certain models that can or can't? (My Express is a couple of years old)
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Can I use the Express as a relay station or can only Extremes be used as such?
Yes, the AirPort Express Base Stations can be configured as a relay base station in a WDS.
If so, are there certain models that can or can't? (My Express is a couple of years old)
Both the original 802.11b/g version and the new 802.11n version of the AirPort Express Base Station support configuration as either a main, relay, or remote base station in a WDS.
Can an Express be a relay station and at the same time be connected to my sound system?
Yes.

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Thanks in advance,
Luke Beischel

Hi Lucius:
You can only extend the range of your network if your Wireless base station supports WDS. The ethernet port will only become active if you have the AE configured in WDS mode.
I hope this helps!

Express and Extreme, relay station problems

I am using my Extreme as a base station WDS. I don't have an airport card in my iMac. How can I configure my Express as a relay station, if i don't have an airport card? Thanks!

The Airport Express doesn't need to be connected via Ethernet.
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Can't get WDS Relay mode to work.

I'm trying to create a wireless network between 2 houses across from one another. Basically, I want to use a SlingBox to access a DirecTV receiver attached to a large satellite dish. I have 3 new Airport Extreme 802.11n base stations and if I could get them linked together this should work really well. One base station in my current house, one in my old house connected to the SlingBox, and one somewhere in between acting as a relay.
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Thanks,
Steve
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Oh, and how do you like the SlingBox? Are you
running the Mac OS version?
I love my Slingbox, which is running the MAC OS version ......but
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I can set up the Airport Express to join the Airport Extreme WLAN (e.g. for Air Tunes), but not to extend the network.
If I try to set up the Airport Express from a factory re-boot to extend the network with Air Port Utility, it just seems to crash the Airport Extreme.
Alternatively if I try to change the setting on the Airport Express with Air Port Utility to "participate in a WDS network" I get the error message "WDS requires multiple base stations. Please add at least one WDS peer" and I don't understand what that means.
BTW, my Airport Extreme is set up with "allow this network to be extended" checked.
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Wireless relay station possible?

I'm a complete networking novice, so please ignore my Level 4 rating and respond in words of one syllable if possible. I haven't known which of the Airport forums to post in, so pardon me if this isn't the best place.
I have a home network that's used only to share a cable internet connection among my wife's Dell PC hardwired to an Asante 802.11G wireless router that sits beside it in one corner of the first floor; my own Titanium Powerbook G4 with original Airport card, connecting wirelessly from my upstairs office; and from time to time, my son and daughter who have, respectively, an Aluminum PB G4 with Airport Extreme card, and a Titanium PB G4 with Sonnet Aria Extreme card. The Sonnet card uses Airport driver software transparently. Neither the Albook nor (during its current visit) the Tibook with Sonnet card is reliably able to connnect to the router from more than about 8 feet away. My own Tibook has far more range than either of the other PBs: up to 50' in some locations in the house. Its normal position is about 20-25' (straight-line distance) from the router, and I connect and stay connected very dependably.
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Neither the Albook nor (during its
current visit) the Tibook with Sonnet card is
reliably able to connnect to the router from more
than about 8 feet away.
If this is the case it sounds more like an interference issue.
AirPort: Potential sources of interference
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58543
My own Tibook has far more
range than either of the other PBs: up to 50' in some
locations in the house. Its normal position is about
20-25' (straight-line distance) from the router, and
I connect and stay connected very dependably.
What happens if you switch the router to b mode only with the flaky clients?
Running ethernet cable from my wife's office
all through the house is an extremely unappealing
last-resort option that I'd have to hire someone to
do, since I don't know how to snake wires through
walls. But I could run a cable to the other end of
the first floor without too much difficulty, if
driven to do so.
This would be the best choice as it would ensure best possible reception.
I would prefer to plug something
into a wall outlet on the second floor, set up any
necessary software, and have things just start
working for the kids in their rooms. Is that a
possibility?
You can't use an Airport Express to extend the router you currently have.
In theory you could get two Airport Express units, wire one to the router and configure the other to extend the new Airport network.
Not used it myself, but this could be an option.
http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE102.php
iFelix

Airport Express systems with two relay stations

I need to use four Airport Expresses to cover my house from bottom to top. The system design is such that the main base station connected to the broadband router is in the basement, then there are two relay stations to connect to the final remote base station located at the top floor.
The Apple manual describe the use of one one relay station between the main base station and a remote base station, the case of two relay stations is not covered. The question therefore is what settings the relay stations should have in such a configuration.
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Welcome to the discussions.
Here is what Apple says.
The base station that connects to your Internet service provider is the main base station. A remote base station connects wirelessly to the main station and extends (or "rebroadcasts") the wireless network to clients that are not in range of the main. A relay base station is like a remote, but it has the additional function of extending the wireless network to a remote which isn't within range of the main. There can be only one relay between a remote and a main.
Don

After the Airport update today, Airport Utility no longer sees my new Extreme or my 2 new Airport Express relay stations (same network); however, my internet is working and all Airports are green?

After the Airport update today, Airport Utility 6.0 no longer sees my new Extreme or my 2 new Airport Express relay stations (same network); however, my internet is working and all Airports are green? I'm running Lion on my iMac and updated when Airport Utility prompted me to do so a few hours ago. After applying the updates is when Airport Utility stopped seeing my routers. But they are working? Thoughts?

Did you remember to completely power cycle the entire network?
You would want to do this after any update or change to the network.
If you did not do this yet......things are out of sequence.
Power off everything on the network.....all devices.....power down order is not important
Wait a few minutes
Start the modem first and let it run a minute or two by itself
Start the next device connected to the modem the same way
Work your way out on the network starting each device about a minute apart
Check the network

Use AX as an Ethernet bridge and a WDS relay simutaneously

I searched the forum but didn't find any conclusive answers. So here goes:
I need to connect a computer to my existing wireless network (AX as AP), but it doesn't support wireless whatsoever (Sun workstation). So I want to get another AX to use it as an Ethernet bridge.
My question is, can the AX work as a WDS relay at the same time to extend my existing Airport network?
Thanks in advance.

The only way it'll work as an Ethernet bridge is if it is part of a WDS network, so you'd be getting the wireless extension anyway.
BTW, it would be a WDS Remote, not a WDS Relay.

WDS relaying open non Apple networks

I'm wondering if my Airport Extreme will connect to this open Belkin network (I've recently found at the studio where I work) and using WDS extend the internet signal and relay it onto my computers. I'm fairly sure this isn't possible. As all the preferences in WDS talk of 'Airport ID's' to connect to. I'm guessing that WDS is an Apple only thing and maybe isn't universal relaying language. But it's worth asking.
So any thoughts or ideas to take best advantages of this open network would be welcome.

I'm wondering if my Airport Extreme will connect to
this open Belkin network (I've recently found at the
studio where I work) and using WDS extend the
internet signal and relay it onto my computers. I'm
fairly sure this isn't possible. As all the
preferences in WDS talk of 'Airport ID's' to connect
to. I'm guessing that WDS is an Apple only thing and
maybe isn't universal relaying language. But it's
worth asking.
So any thoughts or ideas to take best advantages of
this open network would be welcome.
Short answer: No.
Long Answer:
Only Apple and Buffalo officially support WDS that I know of. And although WDS works within a set of 802.11 standards, each manufacturer's implementation of WDS is different since WDS allows for this flexibility. Of course the result is interoperability issues.
Certain manufacturer's wireless base stations do allow for something called client mode. Basically the base station acts like a wireless card in your laptop. Very useful for connecting to other open wireless networks in your area, then everything on your end can be wired or wireless, but all within your control. I do not believe Apple has this feature.

Unable to make new Airport Extreme a WDS Main station

I tried adding a new AX (dual band) to an older AX network to extend the cloud. The older AX does not "see" the new AX when I go thru the step to add remote base stations. I tried making the new AX the WDS Main but that option was not available on the new AX. Using Leopard with 5.1.4 of Airport Utility. New AX is firmware 7.4.1. Older AX is 7.3.x (7.4.1 screws this unit up).
Shouldn't the new AX be able to be configured as a WDS main?

EPILOG:
As far as I can tell, the new "Dual Band" Airport Extremes don't support WDS clouds. The only option in the configuration is to "Extend a network" and I was unable to get that to work with an older AX that was configured as a WDS Main base station. The Dual Band AX always came up yellow saying the network could not be found.
The only solution was to throw away the 802.11g WDS remote devices and turn the main base station into an regular 802.11n base station, allow it to be extended and extend it with the Dual Band AX.
As a breadcrumb to those who find this post, this device will waste alot of your time. Most of the Apple articles that come up when searching for how to do this give settings and screen shots for pre-Leopard versions of Airport Utility and are about setting up a WDS network. You also have to be careful about upgrading the pre Dual Band AX to Firmware 7.4.1 as it turns it into a brick in some cases.
I got it to work with the two different AX running different firmware (7.3.2 and 7.4.1)...YMMV
Its important to set the wireless channel specifically to one of the available ones and not let it default to Automatic.

WDS - which station am I connected to?

I have set up a WDS network with the new Airport Express and an old one (obviously I am one of the few people who got it set up Everything is working fine. For several reasons (like e.g. judging how big the range of each individual station is) I would like to know which of the two stations I am connected to at a given time and location. Where can I see this?
(Or have I go the concept wrong, might the computer "mix" the signals of two station for optimal connectivity?)

Applications > Internet Connect
This will tell you which base station you are connected to by its MAC address.
Or
Use the Airport Management Tools to find out which clients (by MAC address) are connected to which base station.
Airport Management Tool on Intel Macs
Download the AirPort 4.1 install from here:
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/airport41formacosx.html
1. Open the .dmg if it did not auto-open.
2. Control-click "AirPortSW.pkg" and select "Show Package Contents"
3. Open Contents
4. Drag Archive.pax.gz to the Desktop
5. Double-click Archive.pax.gz to unarchive the file
6. AirPortConfig.framework is in ~/Desktop/Archive/System/Library/PrivateFrameworks
7. Drag AirPortConfig.framework to /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/
You will be asked to authenticate.
Airport Management Tool should work at this point.
iFelix

Controlling which WDS base station a machine connects to... how?

I'm trying to isolate a problem I've got with a simple WDS configuration. Configuration is:
Airport Extreme (n) Fast Ethernet - main WDS
Airport Extreme (Snow) - relay
Airport Express - remote
Due to configuration, machines that connect to the Express can also 'just see' the other two machines. One of them (a CoreDuo iMac) is reporting very poor Airport signal strength - even when the Airport Express is plugged in within 2 feet of the machine. We think that it is connecting to one of the other base stations - but can't work out how to find out if this is so, and if so how to stop it.
The iMac has recently returned from Applecare having had a new screen installed - is it possible that the airport antenna could have been disconnected as part of this? This might explain problem - but again I can't work out how to test this.
Suggestions anyone?

Airport Extreme (Snow) - relay
I know that you mean round AirPort Extreme base station (AEBS) but I want to clarify something.
There is not a snow AEBS. Referring to it that way is confusing because there IS an 802.11b Dual-Ethenret (aka "snow") AirPort base station (ABS). The snow ABS does not do WDS and does not have a USB port.
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Quite possibly.
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