Cubase 4 or Logic 7??

Hi guys,
ok so i know this question has been asked a lot.
but i just need a simple answer, which is better...?
Cubase 4 or Logic 7??
Getting a 20" iMac soon, and need some great software to compliment it so i can set up a little recording studio at my house ASAP.
Some help will be greatly appreciated,
Thanks a lot!

I recently started using Logic Pro 7 over the summer and my results have been good, but I'm having a very hard time trying to get set up like I normally worked in Cubase SX3. For one, there's no satisfactory sampler for Logic/Universal Binary. EXS24 ranks worst among all the samplers I've seen when it comes to loading and dealing with my own samples. It's fine for just playing it's own instrument format. So I'm down a good sampler. None of my usual VST plugins work either but this isn't too bad since Logic Pro provides a wealth of instruments in the box. Other things I miss are the extreme audio manipulating abilities of SX3, simplicity of setting up multi-out instruments and playing them, simplicity with rewire, simplicity in general, and continuous playback without dropouts. Still, I'm getting good results with Logic. Midi performance timing seems to be better and mapping controls on my midi keyboard is grossly easier in Logic. Logic's interface is beautiful and the workflow is excellent with the exception of problems caused by the things I mentioned above. I can't wait to see what Logic Pro 8 will bring. I hope to see the audio side of it get up to the level of at least where Cubase SX3 is right now. Audio handling is currently surprisingly lacking in Logic Pro.

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From Cubase to LOGIC PRO.

I use Cubase to record music. I want to switch and become a LOGIC PRO user. Can I open a Cubase song in LOGIC PRO?

Not directly no...
However, you could save out your Cubase material as Stems (Audio Bounce Down Tracks) and then add them to Logic...
And/Or... (For Midi/Software Instruments...)
You could export any Midi tracks from Cubase and import Midi to Logic so long as you have AU versions of the same VST's you used in Cubase..

Importing cubase into logic

I have just been given a rough mix of a few tracks by a friend to have a look at. They are all Cubase SX 4 files. I have heard there is a easier way to convert the session into an alternative DAW, in this example Logic. I was asking if anyone knew much about this.

Yes.Your friends should export the file to .OMF，then you can import into any DAW.

Leaving PC/Cubase to Logic/Mac

Has anyone been able to send midi from the OS X side to the windows side through Parallels (or other way) to use standalone PC only Virtual instruments.
i understand i can send Audio from PC to Mac through Parallels using Soundflower but i'm not sure how to trigger those machines in the first place.
Basically i don't want to leave behind a large collection of windows only vsti's when i switch to Mac. But i'm very eager to get Logic Pro on the Mac.
any insight would be appreciated.
thank you.

If you're switching from a PC, I'd keep the old machine and use it as a secondary box, either by sending your midi and audio over ethernet using various apps, or just using interfaces and cables. In addition to being able to use the old instruments, it will ease the load on your mac.

Cubase User, thinking of Switching to Logic 8

Hi everyone,
Just wanted to let everyone know that first off, I have been an avid user of Cubase SX3 for quite some time now, and it is all I have ever known (aside from Reason).
I bought a mac a few years ago and realized that it didn't run as smoothly as I wanted it to with Cubase. I tried taking the jump into Logic 7 last year and test ran it for a few months before i realized it was probably not something I could get used to. It seemed like the transition was too rough and learning curve was steep. Overall, it just seemed counter-intuitive. I wasnt quite sure if it was really because it was much steeper, or i was not comfortable leaving the comfort zone.
Anyhow, to make a long story short. I am interested in giving 8.0 a shot to see if there is a big difference. For the past few years, i have been using Cubase's step designer plugin to randomize midi notes. This is when i have writers block and need some inspiration.
I found that in 7.0, i simply couldnt do this effectively. Is it true that you still have to "build environments"? I found that to be so confusing when i first started. I thought it would be just turning on a midi track and inserting a VST plugin and away I go.
Anyhow, to make a long story short, i assume that logic will run smoother on my mac than my cubase sx3 would. Also i have an unused Mackie C4 that i cannot use with cubase due to incompatibility issues.
Overall, to make a long story short, does anyone know if there is really a huge difference between 8.0 and 7.0? does it have a midi step sequencer that can randomize notes for me? Do i still need to build environments? Is it generally more user friendly than previous versions?
Thank you!!

I can say that in comparing to Cubase 4 Logic 8 is a lot easier to use and more intuitive. I had bought Cubase 4 and returned it after 30 days because to me it was just too convoluted to get around in it. My other issues with Cubase 4 had to do with the fact that the plugins available simply didn't work with it, and Steinberg was still holding onto the VST 3.0 spec and therefore vendors could not take advantage of the new features, and everyone needed to update the plugs to 2.4 spec. Don't know how true that is anymore, I've long since stopped looking.
With Logic 8 I gained the fact that I get a one window environment. Before, you had to have multiple windows going at the same time, and to me that was too much clutter while I worked. I got 2 screens because of it, and it was still too distracting. With the single window to do everything I need I can work a lot quicker and hence it is a lot better for me to use it than Logic 7. Now I'm looking to sell both my 23" screens and replace them with one 30" screen.
Naming convention changes in logic also helped me. Funny how a little thing like that can help. The fact that I don't have to go to the arrange window, or the audio window to create new audio objects helps a lot. Another HUGE thing for me, and again it's a time and efficiency thing, is that with ever channel strip you see on the left, you will have 2 faders. One for the channel itself and one for the bus or aux it uses. If there are multiple buses simply click the bus above the fader, and the second fader will change to reflect that setting. Very quick, very visual and intuitive, very Apple. Logic 7 was not very 'apple' like when it came to usability and user interface IMHO.
From a feature standpoint, comping is amazing, I love it. Midi-wise the piano roll is more readable, but I don't do midi only work, so randomization and all those things are not features I can answer on. I just use the midi to lay down basic keys tracks and drums.
Last but not least, most, if not all, available plugins work in Logic 8 (I think there are very few exceptions due to deep changes in how multi-channel plugs are handled in logic, so BFD for example is busted right now), which means no real surprises if you want to use an AU version of a plugin you might already have as VST. Most plugs I think come with both, so there shouldn't be any re-buying for you.
Like Rohan suggested, if you know someone who has a copy of 8, you might be able to install it for a day or so and just try it. Of course I don't know that apple would be happy with us suggesting such a thing, but the ULA does allow for 2 installs of logic 8 as long as they're not running simultaneously (one on desktop and one on laptop), so technically you're not breaking the rules.
You might also want to consider Logic Express. Take a look at the feature sets of both and see if it doesn't cover the things you need. I discovered the express has almost all the features of 8 but less bundled apps. It used to be that express was pretty limited in aux and buses but not anymore, and it includes some of the sample synths. If its price was not the same as my Logic 8 update, I would have likely considered it.
R

Logic express vs Cubase ?

I'm a guitarist doing fairly basic multi-track recording at home. I used to use Cubase on my PC. Now on the Mac, I use Garage Band, but would like an application that is a bit more powerful.
Regarding Cubase vs Logic express, are they similar? pros and cons? are they compatible?
Thanks

Logic and Cubase are fairly similar as DAWs. They do same things actually. And they are not entirely compatible (one cannot swap projects between these two programs). As a guitarist you'd find LE9 an awesome DAW. And it's actually cheaper than Cubase.

Upgrade to Cubase 4 or get Logic Pro 8?

Apple makes Logic. But does that make Logic any more CPU/RAM/System efficient than Cubase 4?
I own Cubase SX 2 which I cannot install on my Macbook Pro -not intel compatible and I'm trying to find out whether I should upgrade to 4.1 or sell SX 2 and get Logic 8.
I've been using Ableton Live for a couple of years and still is but I am considering a more full featured sequencer since I never really finish anything In Live 6. I have many old Cubase arrangement files but they don't mean that much to me. Is Cubase running efficiently on a Mac? I don't mind learning how to use Logic and if I buy it I'm also getting Soundtrack Pro 2 and I do need an audio editor.
Is Logic Pro 8 that much better as a sequencer than Live's arrangement view/time line sequencer?
What should I choose, Logic 8 or Cubase 4? I'd like to hear your opinions. Thanks

If you use a lot of MIDI, or own a multi-port MIDI interface, you would be better off with Cubase. For some still-unexplained reason, Logic merges all the MIDI ports into one, forcing you to re-assign each port to a different MIDI channel. This is rather annoying. It also means that you cannot record more than 16 MIDI tracks at once with Logic (Cubase allows you to record an unlimited number of MIDI tracks at once). However, Cubase limits you to 99 software instruments at once. It is also very easy to open a MIDI port on a track in Cubase. Logic has a complicated method of re-assigning channels.
Logic 16. Cubase 99.
The audio editing is also much better in Cubase. Plus, Cubase has 32-bit (true-tape) recording capability.
As far as your question about CPU/RAM/System efficient, Logic would win in that category. You would need a very fast computer to use Cubase effectively. If you are using a laptop, or a slow computer, Logic might be a better choice.
To answer your other question:
Why would you choose Cubase 4? Less limitations. Better MIDI and Audio features. Easier to use interface.
Why would you choose Logic Pro 8? No Dongle/encryption to slow performance. (Better system/CPU performance.) Better support. High-quality audio engine (almost as good as Cubase). A better alternative to Cubase than DP.

What's the best Logic Pro training?

Have just converted from Cubase PC to LP mac, after 10 years..help!
What are the best training resources around?

I made the move from Cubase to Logic six years ago. Although Logic is basically a DAW like any other PT or DP, but its underlying concept is quite different. Make sure you understand that open "object oriented" concept.
Another problem many new and old Logic user have is its versatility. There are often many ways to do the same things and you have to first be aware of the different options and then choose which one suits your workflow best. i.e. there are three levels of Solo, there is not just one Solo button and that thing gets soloed.
If you are one of the more adventurous guys I would advice you at least try to understand the concept of the Environment. Even if you don't plan you mess with it, it will help your understanding of Logic.
I wrote quite a few manuals with lots of graphics to help understand the concepts.
Free Manuals
Most of them were for Logic 8 and Logic 7 and some of the features changed a bit but you can browse through and it will help you to get a better idea what you are getting into. BTW they are free pdf downloads.
Edgar Rothermich
free Logic manuals
www.DingDingMusic.com

After Installing Logic Pro X, my Logic Pro 9's 32-bit AUs don't work. The 32-bit bridge doesn't open and run either in my Logic pro 9. My 32-bit AU plugins are crossed out. Help?

After Installing Logic Pro X, my Logic Pro 9's 32-bit AUs don't work. The 32-bit bridge doesn't open and run either in my Logic pro 9. My 32-bit AU plugins are crossed out. Help?

michaelvee wrote:
As an overworked professional, I simply have to consider the very viable options out there. Never thought I'd be seriously considering a Cubase product.
It's a Steinberg product, not a Cubase product.. in case you haven't been paying attention Steinberg developed the virtual instrument for use in it's programs way back in Cubase 3.55.. the plethora of virtual instruments and the advent of low-latency drivers can be directly traced to Steinberg/Cubase development.. Logic also borrowed Cubase's arrange page format back in the 1980's. Cubase has borrowed from Logic to be sure but Steinberg has long been an innovator for many of the things we take for granted today. It was Logic/Emagic who licensed the VST technology and ASIO low latency format to use in Logic 4.xx. It was Apple who adapted VST to it's own AU format. Also, Cubase and Nuendo have undergone a lot more innovation over the past three years, Yamaha has been good as a parent company. Cubase is not Nuendo's little brother by the way, they are very close, same exact audio engine, same robustness, they can exchange files, the only difference being Cubase doesn't have some of the high end post features that Nuendo has. I use both Cubase and Logic and occasionally Nuendo at the University here.. I know both programs fairly well, believe me, both Cubase 6 and 7 can hold their own with any DAW out there, they just don't come with a bunch of ready made loops and preset instruments.
LogicX will never be able to use 32-bit instruments without a third party solution, nor will it ever include the Bridge. At least according to the people I know.

Logic 7.2 , UAD 1 and waves

Does anyone know if waves plugins do work w/ Logic 7.2? I have an mac pro 3ghz 4 gigs of ram. I am using waves 5.2 for w/intel support. Cubase SX3, Spark XL and Logic LE see the waves and load correctly. Logic 7.2 does not see the waves folder at all niether does waveburner. But logic does see the uad 1 but Cubase and Logic LE cannot connect to the UAD 1 hardware. Any one else having this problem?
G4 dual 867, G5 2.0 dual, imac G4 1.33, Mac Pro 3GHz Mac OS X (10.4.8)

If LE sees the Waves plugs, but LP doesn't, then then only difference is probably the AU Manager. Start that (Logic -> Preferences -> Start AU Manager), and make sure that the Waves stuff is enabled and passes validation.
As for the UAD, run the UAD meter application. Does that correctly report the UAD-1 card is running and working correctly?

Logic Express frustrations, Garageband Joys

Every time I sit down and really try to dive into Logic I get frustrated, close the program, and use Garageband instead. I think I am starting to hate Logic and regret my purchase.... It feels like the most counter-intuitive program I have ever used to record music. I've used Cubase for years to record live acoustic and electric guitars, vocals, bass, sequenced keys and drums, rewired it with Reason, all with no troubles. With Logic I can't even figure out how to get a guitar signal into the *&%! thing. Can anyone recommend a good tutorial website or book? The Logic manual/helpfiles are not easy to figure out at all with no real "getting started" tutorial. I'm very close to selling my copy on eBay!

I switched from Cubase when Logic was first out the door with an OS X version. Then I was invested into it. I agree that Logic Express is far more complicated than it needs to be. Take a look at Final Cut Express. Apple took a very complex feature set and created an interface that made it manageably easy to use in a fairly short period of time.
After using Logic for about two months (and yes, I read the manual, printed portions of the full-blown help files, bought two videos and a good 3rd party manual), I walked away from it.
About a year later, I gave it another try. I started from scratch, followed the tutorials in Martin Sitter's Logic Pro and Logic Express book, and learned it step by step. I am still learning, but now that I've got the basics, I am really glad I have the program. I only wish I had the dough to upgrade to Pro.
One thing I have learned in the process: if you can think of something you want to do with your studio, either hardware or software, Logic probably has a way to do it. It might not be the easiest way, but it is there.

Big transition from PC and Cubase, any advice welcomed to avoid Apple Shock

Hello everyone,
I've been waiting until the new Mac Pros were released before jumping out of the PC plane and into the Mac world, I just want to have as good a parachute as possible so any advice and help is appreciated. My apologies if I'm putting in too many questions, I just didn't want to create a bunch of threads in different areas and some of these questions may have a simple answer.
With that said, here's where I'm at:
I've used Cubase since version 3 and am currently using SE3 through an Echo Layla 24 (PCI card to 1U rack interface) with XP.
Would it be better to tread lightly by purchasing Logic Express and then Studio or just go straight for the Studio version? I have no problems learning a new system and am excited at the prospect of using Logic for everything as I continually read how great it is on the Mac platform. I just want to make sure Logic is able to do everything Cubase (recording audio/midi) and Wavelab (mastering) have done for me for years now.
Also, I'm not sure my Layla 24 will work in these new Mac Pros so if I have to upgrade my interface as well I've been looking at the following options:
MOTU 828mkii (possibly getting a Black Lion Audio mod at some point)
Apogee Duet and then getting a simple USB/MIDI breakout box for the MIDI.
On my current interface, I'm able to keep a drum machine, keyboard, POD Pro, condenser mic, and a MIDI device plugged in simultaneously to 1/4" inputs and MIDI connectors respectively. That's really convenient and the reason I've had my eye on the 828mkii. The only reason I'm considering the Duet is that I've read nothing but the most positive of reviews for this device over anything in the sub $1000 range. Made for Apple, integrates well with Logic, and the sound is beyond unbelievable. If the sound is really that much worth it over the 828mkii even with a BLA mod then I can always get a USB to MIDI cable/box and deal with the constant plugging/unplugging of my 1/4" devices.
In addition, I've recently acquired a Line 6 Toneport UX2 USB interface. Is there any major hiccups using this device with Logic Studio/Express? I like some of the sounds I can get out this little box and simply changing the output channel in the Gearbox software allows me to record a dry signal while monitoring wet.
Lastly, I've seen on the new Mac Pros the option to get the single Quad version for $500 less. That $500 would be handy towards Logic Studio/Express and a new interface device if I had to get one. Would it be possible to get the single Quad Mac Pro and then buy a single processor chip down the road to bring it to the same speed as the Mac Pro default configuration in the Apple store? Would I be voiding any warranties by traveling down that road?
Thank you in advance for your patience and time,
TR

First off,
Thanks for all the great replies. Where to begin, where to begin...
I've spent several hours reading as much as possible on the interfaces I previously listed, adding the RME Fireface 400, Audiofire 12, and MOTU Ultralite to the fray. I would imagine each of these devices along with the ones I formerly mentioned probably sound better than the Echo Layla 24. The Layla line (still own a 20, and now the 24) has been good for me in the past and I would like to up the ante, although I do have to keep the total cost in mind as this is a no holds barred full crossover. New Mac Pro, new interface, and new software. As Tom mentioned from having a similar experience, it's years worth of hardware and software invested. In addition to just this change, I'd like to also move my other non-audio programs over as well, namely Photoshop CS2, CorelDraw, Premiere, Quickbooks, and a slew of other work related software. It's a little daunting to say the least. I do think Adobe offers some sort of crossover deal but I have to check further into that. Hopefully other companies offer something like that as well.
Glad to hear there are other Cubase users who've moved over to Logic without much trouble. Depending on how much the new hardware interface is going to cost will most likely be the deciding factor between me getting the Studio version or Express version of Logic. I do like that if you get Express you can simply spend another $300 for the Studio upgrade. That's how it should be. I won't start a Cubase vs Logic thread, as this is just a comment regarding company policy, however I have the Cubase Producer Pack, VST, VST/32, SE3 and other Cubase related boxes sitting on my shelf and with all the money invested there wasn't a decent cost effective upgrade solution for me. I'd be forced to buy Cubase 4 at full price in order for Mac compatibility and that just leaves a bad taste for me. One of the reasons I've been ready to try Logic.
Is there any difference between the Express 8 engine and the Studio engine? I've read that Garageband (included with the operating system) has a similar or same engine. Would it be possible for me to lay down some quick 'idea' or 'spur of the moment' tracks in that Garageband software and then move them into Logic to flesh them all out possibly retaining a track or two from Garageband? Just curious on that one.
One other question regarding the Logic software editing. Most of the tracks I lay down require multiple takes which I simply punch in and out onto multiple tracks. I snip the audio segments accordingly then shift them all onto the same track. I then hop into Wavelab (open at the same time) to process the .WAV files used on said track (usually adding Noise Reduction, other plugins), then hop back over to Cubase which updates the track accordingly. It saves me CPU processing power (although I probably won't have to worry about that with an 8 core system), however, will I be able to easily punch in and out as well as shift the varying pieces of track together from multiple tracks?
Thanks for the UX2 experience, I know on the box it says Mac compatible, I was worried that I'd have to possibly buy a newer piece of gear to run it, ala the Cubase software. (It apparently is compatible with an older version of the Mac OS)
So here's where I'm at as of today:
I've decided to go with the 8 core system so I won't have to worry about any future issues at least for quite a while.
Purchasing Logic Express or Studio is dependent on the cost of the new interface.
The interface options are (in alphabetical order of course):
Apogee Duet and USB MIDI breakout box
Echo Audiofire 12
MOTU 828mk2 (used from eBay, then get a BLA analog mod)
MOTU Ultralite
RME Fireface 400
I can tell you one thing for certain, if I can ever get that money tree out back to grow I'll rarely have any questions at all. HA!
Thanks again for all the responses and helpful advice,
TR

Logic Pro X: Recording is changing speed?

Hi there,
So I am not new to Logic but new to Logic X. When I recorded from my MBP 15" 2.3GHZ I-7 with 16GB of 1600DDR3 I got a recording but when playing back, my voice has now lowered like it has slowed down or something. Any ideas?
Thanks,
Ed.

Pancenter wrote:
The problem has nothing to do with Logic or the projects, it has to do with the sample rate of the audio system you're using.
You folks need to read the manual so this stuff won't be a mystery.
It's still a mystery.
My Yamaha 01v mixer is set to 44.1KHz. Its SP/DIF in/out is going to the M-Audio Audiophile USB's SP/DIF. If any digital audio goes to the mixer that is not 44.1, it will sit there and complain that the digital input is out of sync and not play a peep. All the audio clips in the project Media Browser say that they are 44.1KHz files, so why are they playing slow?
Going through Logic Audio Preferences, the M-Audio Control Panel and Preferences/Sound and I don't see an option to change the sample rate anywhere. I guess they know they are locked in.
I still have that corrupted Project and I can open both at once, click from uncorrupted to corrupted and they both play that way without ever leaving Logic. That is how I rebuilt the Project.
The key to the mystery may be that some of the bounces that I've done (i.e. the drummer track) came out 16 bit and the project audio was recorded at 24 bit in both Cubase and Logic. I cleaned out the other tracks in the uncorrupted version, but I'm sure they played nicely together at one point. The Cubase files were exported as 24bit Broadcast Wave files.
Anyway, I think it is still a mystery and I'm just glad it has stopped.
I'll try setting the system to internal audio for a while, even if it can be a pain having 2 sets of audio controls. Cubase never had an issue with it in the last 15 years.
Thanks for your input.

Help with Logic Key Commands

So i just jump from Cubase to Logic ind i like it.
But there was a very nice key commands in Cubase and i cant set same in Logic:
When i draging the region(holding Alt)in Cubase he make a copy of region
So,can i do the same in Logic?
Thanks!

Have you tried it?
Yes, holding the alt key down (also known as the option key), and then dragging, will copy a region.

Running Logic on a Macbook or G5 Powermac?

Hi, I have a friend who is a music producer and wants to move from cubase to logic, he is looking to get a mac but wonders if it would run ok on a Intel Core 2 Duo with about 4gb RAM or should he get a G5 Powermac as he cannot afford the intel version?
Thanks in advance
Paul

That really depends on your friends' expansion needs (PCI cards, extra HD's). The only G5 model that is comparable to Intel iMacs in terms of speed, is the 2x2 core 2.5 GHz model (2005). All the others have roughly only half the power of equivalent Intel C2D iMacs.
But iMacs are less expandable than the G5 towers, so that is the main point: can he do without PCI cards and without extra internal drives? Then go iMac.
Some Benchmarks:
iMac C2D 2.0(Late 2006) : 2637
G5 2,5 quad (Late 2005): 3284
iMac C2D 2.66 (Early2008): 3513
id. 2.4: 3220

Does the Mackie Onyx 400f work with Logic on OS 10.6?

It's in the subject header. I want to switch to Mac(Book Pro), and probably change from Cubase to Logic -- has anyone tried using the Mackie with this setup? Or just the 400f with 10.6 for that matter? Given that the drivers aren't up-to-date I'm wondering whether it's worth trying to swap the Mackie already...
Many thanks for any help!

Kind of.
Mackie only supports the 400F on Tiger officially but it does work with Snow Leopard. There is a lot of info on Mackie's forums about rolling back the drivers in SL but I did not need to do that and I would recommend doing a clean install of SL rather than an upgrade.
One of the other big issues on Mackie's forum is the stability of long sessions. Some users claim that if they leave iTunes running through the 400F for several hours or even overnight that the audio eventually become grainy and bit crushed. I'm not sold on this test as an adequate measure of the 400Fs compatibility with SL and I've never experienced it with Logic. The workaround, however, is to reset the 400F by switching the sample rate.
The issue I've struggled with most with the 400F and Logic (note: I'm still on 7.2.3) is inconsistent placement of audio on Tiger and a G5 Tower. Basically, the sample offset of recorded audio would vary between sessions so I had to measure the sample offset at the beginning of each session. I've since upgraded to an Intel MacBook and SL and I do less recording of audio and more midi work so I haven't really noticed or cared about this issue. I might be a non-issue at this point.
I hope this is helpful.
Taylor

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