Converting 30p/60p to 24p

hello
i am trying to convert my 60p footage from my Canon 7D to 24p to get that "film look". If i simply drag a 60p clip into a 24p timeline, will it automatically convert it to 24p?
This seems to make sense, but Philip Bloom on his web site has this long process of conforming it to 24p in Cinema Tools, then speeding that back up in Compressor to match the original timing. Does it have to be done this way or can i just drag it in?
thanks
heres the link for philip blooms workflow:
http://philipbloom.co.uk/tutorials/canon-5dmkii-tutorials/how-to-convert-canon-5 dmk2-footage-from-30p-to-24p/

be aware, the "film look" has much less to do with the frame rate and more to do with cinematographic elements like depth of field, lighting, and grain. Even if you convert 30 to 24, you still had a shutter speed of 1/60th of a second, so the individual frames have less motion involved than if you had a shutter speed of 1/48th of a second.

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