Account Based Operating Concern

Hi all,
I have got the requirements to extract data from COPA and the Operating Concern is Account Based. I know how to extract data from Cost beasd operating Concern.But, I did n't work on Account Based.
Please tell me the Table and steps how to extract this.
If anyone have documents related to this please sed me it would be very helpful to me.
Regards,
Shabana.

Hello,
Please check out this link. There is a book for this by SAP Press:
http://sap-press.com/product.cfm?account=&product=H2900
If you check contents inside it, there you can find the flow for each type of COPA.
Maybe this info heps you...
Regds
Deepmala

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1 Operating Concern for Account Based and Cost Based COPA

Hi,
We are using Operating Concern 3000 for Account Based and Cost based Profitability Analysis. However when i try to extract data from the account based Operating concern it gives me an error in extraction : error 09.
Could it be that we cannot use one operating concern for both types or COPA?
Thanks

Hi
Have you deactivated any of the characteristics used in Account based COPA
Check KEQ3 and you may have activated only for Costing based COPA
S Jayaram
Edited by: S Jayram on Dec 18, 2007 3:24 PM

Difference between account based and cost based in co-pa

hi friends,
what is main deffirencebetween account based and cost based in co-pa. what scenerio we use account based and what scenerio we use cost based.
Thanking u
suneel.

Hi,
It all depends on the OPerating oncern which you are going to use for the CO-PA implementaion.
For a account based Operating concern you can define accopund based copa.
For a Cost Based Operating concdern you will have tp define account based Copa.
You can create account based Copa on cost based operating concern and vice versa.
In most of the FI implemntaion is done before BW inplemetation and therefore Operating concerns are already defined by the FI people.
Thanks
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Ajeet Singh

Account based copa - operating concern currency significance

Hello All,
we have implemented Account based copa and the operating concern currency in EUR.
no other fields in KEAo is activated like the company code currency and other fields.
the company code currency and the controlling area currency is SEK (Swedish Kroner)
sap note 69384 specifies that For account based PA, the operating concern currency is unimportant.
when we are trying to post a FI document, it is not asking for conversion from SEK to EUR
i tried posting to cost center and it got posted without asking for the conversion rate from SEK to EUR.
but when we are trying to post a controlling document(Account based COPA), it is asking for a converision rate from SEK to EUR.
can some one please clarify on why the conversion rate is required for account based copa.
Kind regards
SAP student

Hi
As far as posting to cost center is concerned, it is concerned with your controlling area.. It has nothing to do with your op concern.. Since your comp code and contr area currency is same, it does not ask for exchange rate
But the moment you post into COPA, where in you have specified another currency EUR, it asks for a conversion reason being your comp code currency is not same as EUR...
Even though op concern currency not reqd for account based COPA, but since you have specified it as EUR, it wud ask for a conversion rate
Hope this clarifies
Ajay M

Activating Account based Copa in the existing Cost-based COPA

Hi Sap CO gurus!
Please advise me for the following issue.
Presently, My client using Cost-based COPA for segment wise reporting.( Already activated).
Now they wanted the reports in Account Based. Is it possible to activate the Account based now? Will the system allow us to activate or not?
If yes, What will be the implications? I want to know the pros and cons for that.
If not, How Can I edit the COPA settings( Operating concern)? Or shall I delete the Operating concern and create one new one?
Can you please explain the impact of each situation?
Thanks a lot in advance
Rama

Hi Joe
You can deactivate Account Based COPA, but you will have to do a thorough testing so that you are aware of the issues that can crop up
The IMG Menu is SPRO > Controlling > Prof Analysis
You will have to do a testing of how the open sales orders would behave... The open sales orders mean Sales Orders where PGI has been done, but billing is pending AS WELL AS Sales orders which are just created, but no Logistics movement (PGI) has taken place... You will have to do testing on both types of sales orders
- When you do PGI after deactivating the account based COPA, you may face error. Because, COGS GL account is a cost element in Account based COPA, where as in Costing based COPA, it is usually not a Cost Element
- Also do a billing from an open sales order and see if you get any error there...
Similar issue can arise during variance settlement also, because the variance account is not a cost ele in Costing Based COPA.
Test out the above scenarios and do share your experiences
Regards
Ajay M

Operating concern for two company code with different currency

Hi,
We are merging two company code into one SAP server.
We decide to use on chart of account, and to use one operating concern.
For company code A: the currency is CNY, for company code B: the currency is TWD. The operating concern currency is:CNY.
So i need to in KEA0(maintain operating concern) active company code currency, right?
So every posting in company code B will be posted in TWD and CNY to COPA same item, right?
In KE30 report, where to add characters: Currency type that i can show company code B report in TWD?
Thanks.

Dear David,
Yes. If you have different compancy codes within one controlling area, you have to maintain currency type with 10-Company code currecny and while maintaining the operating concern also you have to choose the company code currency only. Then only you will get the reports with respect of your company code currecny level. This will be basing on your company code-sales organisation, plants and other charcters assignment basis in your configuration.
All the best,
Dharma Rao. Yekula.

COPA account-based only!

Hi
I intend to implement COPA for my customer, but only COPA account-based.
As my knowledge about COPA, costing based uses value fields instead of account as in account based.
But when i demo in client 800 (IDES), I realized that many diffirences between costing based and account based. It seem to be not only relevant to the value fields and account based.
For example:
when i post an invoice (fb50) in FI, then click profit segment field. I can not find characteristics that i want to post to such as material group. And there is nowhere for choosing all characteristics in client.
How can i find the way to post to characteristics that i want to post to directly from FI to PA?
Another example:
when I create report in PA account-based, there are limited characteristics in compare with PA costing based, so I can not choose profit segments i want?
What's the problem here?
Is it possible? Which problems can I meet if i do not use costing-based?
I am apreciated any help of you!
Thanks

Couple of things:
In Account based CO-PA:
1. You can't get Cost component break down.
2. No break down of variance categories.
3. Create a Characteristic in KEA5 and add to operating conern in KEA0. KEQ3 is to define segment level characteristics. To improve system performance, you can also restrict the characteristics that make up the profitability segment.
4. When you add a characteristic to operating concern, then by default that characteristic is available at the time of document entry. We use characteristic groups to determine what characteristics appear in which order on the screens for assigning profitability segments in different business transactions. If no characteristic groups are defined, the user can enter values for any characteristic in the operating concern.
5. Account based CO-PA uses the same tables (COEP, COEJ, COSP, COSS etc.,) as used by overhead cost management, whereas costing based COPA has it's own tables. The definitions of profitability segments for both CO-PA sub-modules are stored in the same table, the CE4XXXX table (where XXXX = operating concern).
6. Period account approach, unlike costing based which is cost of sales accounting approach.
7. Account-based CO-PA stores all transaction in three currencies: the transaction currency, the local currency, and the controlling area currency.
Also, check SAP note 69384 on account based COPA.
What kind of business is your client in? What reporting is he expecting out of CO-PA?
Edited by: Pradeep kumar Athmakur on Dec 31, 2009 6:32 PM

CO-PA Activate Account-based

Can we activate Account-based CO-PA on an existing operating concern with costing-based postings already used or does a new operating concern with both costing and account based options checked need to be created?

HI,
Yes, you can. Check this link for more details:
COPA Account Based copa
Hope this helps.

Do I need to rebuild the operating concern once again.

Hi,
I have added extra field to the COPA data soruce (1_CO_PA_XXX) and written CMOD code to populate the data. But I am not able to see the newly added field while trying to fill the data through RSA3.
1. Why am I not able to see the newly added field.
2. Do i need to rebuild the operating concern once again? If yes, Do i need to resbuilt in every system or can it be transported?
3. I am also seeing another data source (1_co_pa_xxx_oc). What's the difference between data sources 1_CO_PA_XXX and 1_co_pa_xxx_oc?

When you're doing a test extraction in RSA3, is the column there but with no data or is the column not even showing up (you may have to right-click on the columns and click on Show... to get the new column to show in RSA3)? Try deugging the 1_CO_PA_XXX DataSource in RSA3 on your R3/ECC source system to determine why the code in CMOD isn't being invoked, or not providing the data. We have been able to modify our 1_CO_PAXXX DataSource by enhancing the extraction structure with an append and then creating code in CMOD, so you shouldn't have to recreate it.
As for the 1_CO_PA_XXX_CO DataSource, it appears that someone has created a second COPA DataSource. It could be that one was created opposite of the 1_CO_PA_XXX DataSource in that it's account-based v. cost-based or it could be the same basis with different fields.

COPA account based extractor (Bill type field FKART) missing

Hello Experts,
I am new to COPA and currently working on account based COPA DataSource on ECC 6.0 & BI 7.0.
I have created the DataSource in KEB0 for account based by selecting the appropriate operating concern. One of the field requirements for me is to have billing doc type but it is not available in KEB0 or in RSA6.
When checked in KEA0 billing type (FKART) is available as display fixed fields.
Main menu -> extras -> display fixed fields.
Could you please let me know how to get this part of my DataSource?
Does enhancing the DataSource is only the solution?
Highly appreciate your help.
Best Regards
VJ

Hi Vijay!
If your current scenario does not present you with the standard extractor from the source system, perhaps you should try to create a generic datasource for your business requirements.

Account Based PA

Hi,
Could someone explain to me what are the configuration steps involved in setting up Account Based PA, and also whether we could implement both Cost based and Account Based PA and what would be the effects of it.
Best Regards,
Roville

Hi
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_46c/helpdata/en/7a/4c37ef4a0111d1894c0000e829fbbd/content.htm
Complete overview of the setttings for CO-PA
http://help.sap.com/printdocu/core/Print46c/en/data/pdf/COPA/COPA.pdf
You can activiate both your costing based as well as account based COPA.
Costing based - Cost of sales approach
Account based - Account (GL) based / period end approach. In this approach, actuals are not reflected correctly. Hence most of the companies opt for costing based COPA
Tcode - Customizing screen for COPA - ORKE
Basic requirements
Set up your operating concern and assing to your compnay code..
define data structure (Char and Value Fields)
Rest is explanatory in the Tcode ORKE and also check the settings pdf file/
hope this clarifies
regards,
radhika

How many copa tables created after creation operating concern?

Hi gurus
How many copa tables will be created after just creation of OPERATING CONCERN?
This is question being asked in interview.
Regards
Hari P
Edited by: Hari Peddi on Feb 15, 2009 11:22 AM

Hi,
As the previous comment says, CE1XXXX, CE2XXXX, CE3XXXX and CE4XXXX are created. But this is if you are using Costing-based profitability analysis, However, if you're using account-base PA then no tables are created and CPEP, COSP, COSS and other standard CO tables are used.
Regards,
Kenneth

Account Based COPA extraction

Hi,
I created an Account based COPA datasource with the available Operating Concern. After doing this, when I am trying to check the Extraction in Rsa3, i get an error message saying Errors occured. No other information is displayed. Can anyone please help me out with this? Has anyone encountered such an error? This is critical. Please respond as soon as possible.
Also note that while creating the Datasource in KEB0, the Summarization Level option is not enabled. would this be a possible reason of the error??
Regards
Forum

Hi,
iam also facing same problem if any body have solution let me know

Attributes of Operating Concern

What are the various attributes of Operating Concern?
Regards
Samir

Hi,
Definition
An operating concern represents an organizational unit in your company for which the sales market has a uniform structure. It is the valuation level for Profitability Analysis (CO-PA).
Structure
You structure an operating concern by selecting
Characteristics
You should ask yourself at what level your analyses should be performed, such as the sales organization, region, product, or customer level.
and value fields (only in costing-based Profitability Analysis)
You should ask yourself which values and key figures should be analyzed, such as revenues, sales deductions, costs, or quantities.
as well as G/L accounts (only in account-based Profitability Analysis)
This structure may vary greatly from one company to the next. For example, the structure of total production costs in a manufacturing company differs from that in a wholesale or retail company. Consequently, you need to "model" CO-PA in Customizing by defining the characteristics and value fields that you want to analyze.
Regards,
Ravi

COPA Account based extraction error

We have an account based COPA Datasource modified to add another characteristic.
All the pre-reqs involving this re-generation( new characteristic in same operating concern) have been done by R/3 consultant. During Transport, it works fine in all instances but production. All the R/3 checks(KEDV,KEB0 ...) have been performed and summarization levels have been generated. In BW everything is in order, but when trying to load data(full load) it fails with zero records. The error message is
"No source could be found to answer the search query"
Any thoughts?
Thanks!

Thanks Sam for your answer.
The R/3 functional consultant confirms that the summarization levels are generated properly and nothing seems to be amiss there.
Is there a SAP note on this?
Thanks for your answers . Any more thoughts ?

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