Arch as a semi-rolling release ? [Solved]

Hi,
I'm considering setting an "old" server  (bi-xeon) for my students in computer science -- mainly to learn programming languages and tools. They only needs to log in via an ssh -Y session from their Windows accounts.
Arch rolling release is perfect for me as it allows to use last versions of programming languages and tools but, for the system itself (kernel and core software) i wonder if i could safely ignore updates of the core set (i prefer to update this component once a year, during student holidays, just in case something goes wrong).
I suppose i could use IgnoreGroup = core in pacman.conf, but i don't know what could be the possible side-effects.
Last edited by jaco (2012-01-07 22:59:33)

You could do as you suggested and let your students fix the server. Perfect training.

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    I [03/Jan/2007:07:36:20 -0100] Full reload is required.
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    I [03/Jan/2007:07:36:20 -0100] Listening to 127.0.0.1:631 on fd 3...
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