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Hate this manual! I got an MSI K8MM-V mb today with an AMD Ath64 3000+ 754 pin CPU.
I also bought an ATI Radeon 9550 AGP 4X/8X and 1 PNY 512 PC3200 DDR 400 memory. (fan is on cpu of course)
Cannot get the mob to post or count. Fans come on ...no video.. with or without the ATI Radeon.
(where IS the onboard video jumper anyway?) I didn't see it in the MOB manual.
Can someone help please?
Sherri

Quote from: Grayone on 09-October-05, 13:17:32
The amps output specs are usually on a label that is stuck on the side of the power supply. Even a top line 300 watt power supply would have a job powering up an athlon 64 system with a radeon 9550 video card. You need one with at least 20 to 22 amps on the 12 volt rail, preferrably more depending on the extras that you plan to use; burners, card readers, hard drives, USB devices.
PS. Is this card (video) okay to use with this board?
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Shock Therapy - An Athlon64 / FX Power Supply Guide

I used to make a hardware list of all the components I would like to incorporate in my next
computer build. Normally...at the bottom of that list would be the power supply, not that I
didn't think it was important, it's just that my other hardware was so interesting! Today, power supplys
seem to take a back seat to blazing-speed CPU's, Dual-Cored processors, glitz and glamour
video cards...not to mention supersonic, heat-sinked RAM and modular, gizmoe'd PSU's promising not
only over-achiever specifications, but eye-candy as well. The lowly PSU....tucked up somewhere inside
it's dark and lonely loft....effortlessly supplying us with the energy required for important 3D imaging
or just funning with the latest games.
What a power supply does is rather simple. It converts your office or home's socketed electricity to
usable 3.3v, 5.0v and 12.0v energy...that's all. A power supply that cannot efficiently do this will-
over time-cause computer crashes, continuous reboots and shutdowns, and worse...expensive component damage.
And now, with faster processors such as AMD's Athlon64 and FX line of CPU's, never has there been a time, when
choosing the right power supply is so important! This article is written for those using these high-powered CPU's!
Well...Do we have your attention!?
If you are experiencing these problems, or still scratching your head over that last RMA....could be
your PSU is trying to tell you something.
To begin with, a power supply's ratings refer to its maximum output under ideal conditions. No power
supply is 100% efficient. In high-quantity manufacturing, power supplys may not put out any more than 60% of
their advertised specifications. In any PSU, that rating can be further reduced by the effects of heat
and electro-magnetic radiation. That's where "switching" power supplys come in. A switching power supply draws
only as much current that is needed from the AC input. Buying a hefty PSU with this feature will guarantee
that you will be paying no more for electric service, than you would with a cheaper, less powerful unit.
One of the most common causes of power supply inefficiency, and ultimately failure is dirt. Dust and
foreign materials can cause the beginning of the end for a power supply, by attacking the fan first.
It begins by slowing the fan down...thus creating heat through friction, then ultimately burning it out.
PSU's with high-quality ball bearing fans are a must. They are far more durable, and not as likely to
become noisier as time goes by.
As a general rule...a failing PSU will usually emit abnormal sounds, followed by unstable voltage readings....
then the computer crashes or lock-ups, with random shutdowns, and sometimes...refusal to even power-up.
If you think your power supply is on its last leg...better to deal with it now, or face the more serious dilemmas later on.
APM (Advanced Power Management)
APM is a feature originally developed by partners, Microsoft and Intel. It relates to a systems ability
to utilize different states in regards to a systems utilization of power. On, Off, Standby and Suspend
are examples...these are BIOS features, not PSU functions. APM only requires of the power supply, the
function to turn power on or off through an electrical signal, and the presence of stand-by voltage.
All ATX power supplys are required to incorporate this feature. However, if some components in a computer
are not APM-compliant, your system may encounter errors or freezes when going into hibernate or stand-by
modes.
ACPI (Advanced Control Power Interface)
It's the latest power management control that was developed by a conglomeration of IT corporations. This interface
is O.S. derived, rather than BIOS, and all ATX power supplys should be ACPI-compliant. You should not have to be
concerned about this feature.
Line-Conditioning Circuitry
A power supply component that helps control power levels, spikes and surges in
the most unreliable of home sockets.
EMI Filter
This circuitry smooths the fluctuations of incoming AC currents, also known
as Electro-Magnetic Interference - EMI filters are usually found in higher-end power supplys.
PFCC
Power Factor Correction Circuitry...smooths out sudden, initial spikes in power
delivery - reducing amplitude and preventing circuit overloads.
Connectors
There are five main connectors found on the latest version ATX power supply.
1) ATX main power connector - 20-pin, 24-pin, and 20 to 24-pin adapter.
2) ATX 12v power connector (4-pin to CPU)
3) Molex peripheral power connector
4) Floppy power connector
5) Serial ATA power connector
On newer SLI-certified power supplys, you'll find two 6-pin video card connectors.
Know What You Need
When purchasing a power supply, make sure your parts list is all-inclusive...know ahead of time, what you expect to
install in your system. You should also visit the motherboard manufacturer's site, as well as the CPU's. Most of the
products will have specifics regarding power supply requirements needed for that specific component. Unfortunately, you
really won't know how well the PSU performs until it is installed and running your system (hopefully!) This is the main reason we
recommend the most popular brands - power supplys that have shown a duration of manufacturing quality over the years. Those are
as follows: Antec, Enermax, OCZ, PC Power and Cooling, Tagan, and a few newcomers such as SeaSonic and Silverstone are
worth looking into.
If you believe you have found the PSU of choice, remember this: AMD recommends a minimum 350 watt power supply to run
Athlon64 and FX CPU's. To that, add the 30% for power lost to heat, and the subsequent electro-magnetic radiation. Hold on with that
calculator...throw in an additional 40% to 60% for the "potential" inaccuracies of specifications inherent in mass-produced electronics.
Pay special attention to outputs on either single, or dual rail +12v lines. A motherboard, CPU, and graphics card can consume up to
150 watts alone - before hooking up your remaining components. If running an SLI configured board, look for a PSU that is certified
to run that configuration...there's only a few PSU's that lay claim to that!
Broken down, you can look at it this way: An Athlon64/FX processor can use up to 90 watts off the +12v rail. High performance RAM
can take in about 25 watts for each stick of 256MB system memory from the +3.3v line. PCI cards will use about 10 watts each, while
an AGP video card can consume about 50 precious watts alone from the +5v or +12v. Hard drives? A 7,200 RPM drive...about 15 watts
each, taken from the +5v and +12v rail. Finally, but not absolutely is the optical drives...robbing about 20 watts each, also from
the +5v and +12v lines. So you see....not only is the +12v amp ratings of concern, but also the +5v line!
In doing the math...on a system incorporating an Athlon64 (say a 4000+), 2 sticks of high-end RAM, 2 or 3 PCI cards, 1 mid-to-high
end AGP video card, 2 ~ 7,200 RPM hard drives, and a couple of CD/RW or DVD/RW opticals...you're looking at a "base" requirement of 270 to 325 watts. That's for a running system...now figure boot-up loads, 30% for heat and radiation bleed-off, then a 40% safety factor for manufacturing inconsistencies...you've got a power supply in the 450 to 520 watt range!
Modular Power Supplys:
The pins that are used for the modular plugs are not very good at passing current. It's basically electrical resistance between the male and female components, and voltage "drops" are likely. In real world events, they will become loose, dirty, corrosive, and eventually burn. You can figure about 10% less efficiency with a modular power supply.
Now you can understand how manufacturing "tolerances" that are inaccurate by 40% to 60%, can have such a devastating effect on
the performance of your new system. If you follow these simple guidelines, bearing in mind the hardware you will be using, and what
your intended use of the computer is for...then it will be one less dramatic incident when pushing the power button for the first time!
Here's a neat little tool....a bit out of date - that can give you a basic idea of what you'll need in a PSU.
You can apply the percentages above, for an even more accurate assesment of your PSU requirements!
http://www.jscustompcs.com/power_supply/Power_Supply_Calculator.php?cmd=AMD

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In doing the math...on a system incorporating an Athlon64 (say a 4000+), 2 sticks of high-end RAM, 2 or 3 PCI cards, 1 mid-to-high
end AGP video card, 2 ~ 7,200 RPM hard drives, and a couple of CD/RW or DVD/RW opticals...you're looking at a "base" requirement of 270 to 325 watts. That's for a running system...now figure boot-up loads, 30% for heat and radiation bleed-off, then a 40% safety factor for manufacturing inconsistencies...you've got a power supply in the 450 to 520 watt range!
Well, except the CPU, my system has all that you mentioned there (I even have 3 optical drives). And my 350W PSU has been rock solid for more than a year (BeQuiet, = Tagan, IIRC). I don't think a 4000+ needs 100W more than my 3200+ . And that link you posted says that the minimum recommended PSU for my system is 506W xD. Come on.
Oh, and in the place I work there are 6 amd64 with GeForce 6800 GT and 2GB RAM with 380W Antec PSUs. All 100% stable, of course.
I would only go for >400W if I wanted to do extreme OC (with overvolting), or SLI. Otherwise, a good brand 350W PSU is more than enough.

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Hi Ben.
Thank you very much vor your replay
but I still can get it
Here the code
on testAlphaChannels sourceImage, cNewWidth, cNewHeight,
pRects
cSourceAlphaImage=sourceImage.extractAlpha()
newImage = image(cNewWidth, cNewHeight, 32)
newImage.useAlpha = FALSE
newAlphaImage = image(cNewWidth, cNewHeight, 8)
repeat with i=1 to pRects.count
destRect=......
newImage.copyPixels(sourceImage, destRect, pRects
newAlphaImage.copyPixels(cSourceAlphaImage, destRect,
pRects,
[#ink:#darkest])
end repeat
newImage.useAlpha = TRUE
newImage.setAlpha(newAlphaImage)
textMember = new(#bitmap)
textMember.image=newImage
end
But the result is not correct. O my example
http://www.lvivmedia.com/fontPr/Fontproblems3.jpg
image to the left is
created on background image, and image to the right - with
code above
What is wrong in the code, I quoted above?
Any help will be appreciated
Jorg
"duckets" <[email protected]> wrote in
message
news:ekhekq$c6g$[email protected]..
> I think this is what you'll have to do:
>
>
>
> Do the copypixels command as per your 2nd result example
(where "no
background
> image is used") using destImage.useAlpha = false.
>
> Create a new image as a blank alpha channel image (8
bit, #greyscale)
>
> Repeat the same copypixels commands for each number, but
this time the
source
> image is 'sourceAlphaImage', and the dest Image is this
new alpha image.
And
> the crucial part, use: [#ink:#darkest] for these
operations. This is
because
> you are merging greyscale images which represent the
alpha channels of
each
> letter. The darker parts are more opaque, and the
lighter parts are more
> transparent, so you always want to keep the darkest
pixels with each
copypixels
> command.
>
> hope this helps!
>
> - Ben
>
>
>
>

[Athlon64] whats wrong with my MB?

i have 768mb of ram in my pc. runs fine. then i installed one more 256 mb of ram and my pc goes crazy. when i turn on the pc i always get error. says that it has uncover an error and had to shut down. i have a k8t neo with amd 64bit processor. anybody know how i can fix the problem? sometime my pc restarts itself to when im playing game? why does it do that?
im running on a amd 64bit 2800+ cpu.
western digital 120 hdd 7200 rpm
antec 450 watt ps
768 mb of ram (one 512mb and one 256 mb) both are centon brand and both are ddr333
msi cd-rw 52x52x52x
msi dvd rom 16x
ati 128mb radeon 9800 pro agp 8x
windows XP with sp2
i hope this is more information. ill try some of your suggestions.

How are you getting 768MB in this board? You should only have 1 or 2 matched pairs of RAM in this board, and if you have 2 pairs, they should be single sided DIMMs. The preferred is to have just 1 pair of DIMMs, single or double sided, in slots 2+4. Also, a lot of memory will benefit from a voltage increase in the BIOS, could try increasing the Vmem by .05v or 0.1v.
My system:
AMD Athlon64 3500+ (Newcastle)
MSI K8T Neo2 (MS-6702) BIOS v3.30
MSI NX6600GT-VTD128
1GB (512MBx2) Kingston Hyper-X low latency (rated at 2-2-2-5-1T 2.7V)
Creative Audigy2 ZS
Promise Ultra100TX2 IDE controller
1x80GB Maxtor 7200RPM ATA133
1x250GB Maxtor 7200RPM ATA133
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1xMemorex 4x DVD+/-R
Antec NeoPower 480W
XP Pro SP2

[Athlon64] pc won't wake up!!!!

Have a four month old pc which was put on standy for the first time and now it won't wake back up.
Have a K8tM-IL mobo
When I switch it on the fans turn for a few seconds and then cut out again, no mouse, keyboard or monitor.
Have tried taking the battery out and moving the position of the jbat1 but nothing has changed.
Anyone any ideas? - unfortunately bought this from Tiny, so no help there

Well...even though this is Athlon64 land...I'll try to help you. Unplug your PSU cable from back of power supply and unplug the main connector to the motherboard. Install new CMOS battery and reset jumpers to "drain" position, then back to normal position. Re-plug your power supply at the rear of the unit. Re-connect main plug to mobo. Plug power supply to source. Turn it on. If it doesn't come on....your CMOS memory may have drained, or it might be your PSU has expired..

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[Athlon64] tv out problem

Oh my God! 1 mth still no reply from ppl?

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[Athlon64] MSI Diamond-D and OCZ memory compatibility

More imortant than the brand are the types of chips used.
Winbond Bh6 and -Ch5 overclock poor on a AMD64 system, or u need to set the vMem redicoulisly high.
With Samnsung and Micron chips u can get the same timings @normal voltages (2,7v).
Here is a list of chips, icw brands:
http://www.techpowerup.com/memdb/
Make sure u get Micron 5B G or Samsung TCCD chips !
Agree with Stick about the amount of memory. First of all: Windows XP (32bit) cannot adress more then 3 GB, furthermore, no way in the world u are gonna use that memory. Stick to 2GB which is more then enough, heck, 1GB is allready more then enough 99,9999% of the time.

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[Athlon64] Failed Bios update with both Live Update and Dos version = badchecksum shutdown

Sometimes bios recovery is a long shot .
But the award bios v.6 is supposed to be able to do it if the bootblock is still intact.
Best way seems to be to strip it down to minimal configuration , disconnect all drives except floppy , one ram module , perhaps without video card also .
Look here :
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/jefn/bootblock.html

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[Athlon64] Delayed Boot time

Quote from: emtownsend on 01-November-05, 14:20:57
The long boot... Does your system POST just as fast with or without the drive? Or, are you talking about the OS loading, like when the bars cross the XP startup screen? (for lack of better description)
In OS loading, i can see only 1 bar crossing without DVD connected and 4 with it. DVD is set to Master and Maxtor 120 too.

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[Athlon64] Neo2 Platinum & 4x512 ram

Well you may even get an answer if you post it in the right place.
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MOVED: [Athlon64] Should I use the 24 pin PSU converter ?

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[Athlon64] Should I use the 24 pin PSU converter ?

I've heard that most 24 pin boards run just fine with just the 20 pin plug... just has long as your PSU has enough amps on the 12v for proper function. Might be a different story if you have a fully populated SLI setup though.
I don't see why they wouldn't as most new PSU's come with a plug that is essentially a 20 pin that just has a detachable 4 pin add on. Of course if you need the PCI-e power plugs and don't have any adapters for those, you may as well upgrade anyhow.

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[Athlon64] K8nSLI platinum

Kindly gives your full spec's of your pc including PSU so others might help you!! Does your onboard LAN is enable from the BIOS? If it's disable try to enable it. Gd luck

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[Athlon64] Keyboard Recognization issue...

Quote from: dacull on 11-September-05, 06:06:15
So seems this keyboard issue remains nearly a year after i first reported it atleast..
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=61832.0
I managed to find one PS2 keyboard that gave me enough functionality to be able to turn on the USB, then switch to a USB keyboard that solved any instability problems, no problems since then.
The only advice i can say is completely remove power, when you switch power on all the LEDs on your PS2 keyboard should flash. if they dont, switch off and then on again until they flash, then press the reset button to startup your computer.
as you know USB is disabled by default :(
I completely unhooked every component, making my case just as empty as the day I got it. Every single part detached from one another...
I then hooked up all the absolute bare minimum components, and on power-on, and after several power-ons, the PS/2 keyboard did NOT flash, unfortunitly. However, I noticed the USB keyboard hooked into the USB slots DOES flash. I have decided to juist pay the shipping fee and have newegg replace the mobo. Better safe than sorry. I am sure if my PS/2 slot wasnt defective, the mobo wouldn't have given me a single problem and would be easy as pie to set up for my first build. I am confident however that MSI does make great stuff. I hope my replacement works as smoothly as MSI has a reputation for. Thanks for all your help.

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[Athlon64] Clear PnP Data Pool in K8N Neo4 running xp64

Hello !
Strange Problem.....
You mentioned Problems with your boot-sequence and your Raid Setup. I don´t know exactly but it think this is connected with your SLI Problems. Which Bios Version are you using ? Did you try to make a CmosClear for reinitialising PNP and DMI stuff ? You should also check your Cmos onboard Battery, perhaps its empty.
I have heard about a Problems with this some revisions of this Board, Onboard Battery is emptying very fast sometimes.
Good Luck
Greetz MurdoK

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[Athlon64] K8N Neo4 Bios ver 1.50 eats batteries

Hi, Takesix.
Unfortunately, you are not the only person with this problem. I purchased a non-SLI version of this board about 6 weeks ago and am on my third battery, all from different manufacturers. The board was originally flashed with V1.50 but I flashed it to v1.30 because I had read that it was a better version. This has not stopped the draining battery problem. Have e-mailed MSI and Monarch Computer tech support hoping to get an answer but haven't received any replys yet. To read others strories go to the following link. https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=84120.0 Incidentally, how old is your board? Wonder if it was a specific lot?

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