Blown PSU K8T Neo

My PSU blew just after building new system possibly down to faulty PSU and having replaced it I am getting CPU temps too high to use the PC (120c). How do I know if the blown PSU has done lasting damage to motherboard and or CPU
Thermal contact between the CP and fan is good, CPU and system fans seem to be working fine. MBM reporting temps in Centigrade. I think all of the cables are connected OK
When I boot the computer I get the message no device found, no bios installed.
many thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

Hi
First ' no bios installed' refers to the promise controller not finding a drive connected to SER1 or 2, simply go into Bios, integrated peripherals, PCI onboard controller, then P20738 controller (promise) and disable it. ESC and save.
120 deg must be F not C, the CPU would shut down at 65C to save damage.
Whats the C reading, should be about Sys 37 - 42C : CPU 40- 62C (depends on load and ambient temp). Lowering the Vcore from 1.55v to 1.425v will drop CPU temp by 5C without losing performance.
If your comp is working chances are you got away with it, but you are lucky, MOBO, CPU and RAM along with any running drives are usual victims
Make sure you get a proper PSU, Enermax 465 or Aspire 500 or similar.
Ebuyer stuff is OK, but 17amps on the +12v is not. you want over 24 (18 absolute minimum barebones) for safety, over 30 to run it well. Thats with your gear as above.
Cheers
jocko

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Help! XP install problems with K8T Neo-FIS2R

The other day I put together a new system for a friend. I got the system to POST properly, the diagnostic lights on the D bracket are fine, and I can edit the BIOS, and the BIOS sees all the drives properly.
However, installing XP Pro has been impossible. I set the system to boot first to the CD, then to the hard drive (from the BIOS). After booting to the CD, I never see the message I am used to seeing ("Press any key to boot from CD...) when booting from the XP Pro install disk. The system thinks about things for a long time with a blank screen, then later it finally begins to do the install. Things appear normal at this point as in any other time I have installed XP Pro. I reformat the hard drive to start clean and then the XP install files are copied over. I get the standard message that the system will reboot and this is where things get flaky. The system reboots, but I never get the message once again on whether or not to boot from the CD. So after a while the system tries to install XP once again (it would repeat this process forever....trust me). I've popped the CD out right after the system reboots so it will try to go to the hard drive. I just get some kind of boot failure message and to insert the bootable media or whatever. I've even gone into the BIOS right after the reboot to switch the BIOS loading to try and load the hard drive first. This still doesn't give me the desired results.
This is by far the weirdest thing I've ever experienced when doing an install. I've installed XP Pro on at least 15-20 desktops/laptops of different configs and never ran into this before.
The BIOS settings are stock. I didn't see anything in there that was really needed tweaking or that hadn't "set itself". I haven't messed with the SATA or RAID stuff since it's not really necessary in this situation.
Here are the system specs:
--Antec 430 True Power PSU
--K8T Neo-FIS2R mobo
--AMD 3000+ 64 bit CPU
--40GB Maxtor HD (master on IDE1)
--Lite-On DVD-ROM drive (slave on IDE1)
--80GB Western Digital (8MB buffer) (master on IDE2)
--Sony DRU510A DVD-RW (slave on IDE2)
--(2) Kingmax 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-3200 Model# MPXC22D-38
--ATI 9800 Pro
--3.5 Floppy
All the components except the mobo, CPU, and memory are from another AMD system that was running fine. No problems with any of the HD's or the optical drives. All new components were purchased from newegg.
I thought that maybe I had a problem with the jumpering of the drives so I messed with those in about every possible combination. I took IDE2 completely out of the system and just tried to get it running with the 40GB Maxtor and the Lite-On drive. I tried about every master/slave/cable select combination but nothing was working. In certain combinations the BIOS recognized everything as I intended. I've pulled everything off that doesn't need to be connected. Keyboard, monitor, and internal components are the only things connected.
I don't consider myself to be a guru at this business, but I can get through most things with enough trial and error. This really has me stumped.
Any help is certainly appreciated.
Thanks,
Heath

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Originally posted by chasmon
Hi all,
I have just setup up a brand new system but am having probelms getting it working. I want to install XP on a single Maxtor 160Gb drive.
I have my HD on Promise Ser1 and all SATA stuff in BIOS enabled. When I get to the screen I press F6 and then when promted I insert the floppy with the promise drivers on. I then get this message:
"File txtsetup.oem caused an unexpected error (4096) at line 1742 in d:\xpclient\base\boot\setup\oemdisk.c"
I can't get past this screen I have tried:
1.Drivers from the CD supplied.
2.Drivers from the MSI website.
Please help me this lot cost lots of hard earned I'm pretty gutted at the moment.
System:
Antec 380W PSU and Sonata Case
LG DVDROM 8163B
NEC DVDR/RW 2500B
Panasonic Floppy
Neo FIS2R mobo
Maxtor Diamondmax Plus 9 160Gb SATA150
Benq RF K/B & Mouse
Download the drivers from MSI again, and when you copy the contents of the XP folder to floppy ADD the file txtsetup.oem from the directory above that folder. Worked for me..!
Ian

PSU for K8T Neo-FIS2R

What model of PSU has its cooling fans which can be controlled from PWFAN1 and PWFAN2 on the K8T Neo-FIS2R motherboard?
Kaz

Sorry but there is no real specific one out there that I have ever seen. Most of the Bios options you see have been available since forever with Via Chipsetted boards. However DOT is specific to MSI which is Dynamic Overclocking technolodies. DOT can automatically overclock your voard depending one what your doing. I recommend staying away from it as it can cause as many issues as anything in your rig. And then there is Cool and Quiet which is an AMD 64 Bit CPU specific option to downclock the multipliers for the CPU during Idle Times to save energy and keep the CPU cool. Again it is not really needed.
The rest of the stuff you can use google to find individually or by searching for Award Bios's or Via Chipset Bios settings.
These are way to much for any one person to post a complete guide to here as all the info is readily available elsewhere.

MSI K8t NEO + Audigy Boot Problem only when power is unplugged on the PSU

I ran into a really weird problem today.
I switched the ps off by reaching back and pressing the button. I repress the button to power on the ps, then I click on the button in the fron of the case to power up the machine. System keeps rebooting itself every 1 sec. Bracket shows 4 red lights. In the manual, it says it means bad cpu. I remove the audigy and it boots fine. I install the audigy, 4 red lights.
So, This time instead of turning the puter off by using the button on ps. I used the button on the case by holding it down for 5 seconds. I reboot and puter boots normally.
So the problem is, if i turn the puter off by using the button on the PS and with audigy in the syste. Nothing on screen, and puter keeps rebooting itself every one second. Solution is to turn the puter off by using the button on the case.
Has anyone ran into this problem? I have never had this kind of problem. It is really weird. Any feedback is apreciated.
Oh and it is only with audigy. I tested this with original live, and also other PCI cards like nic, and another cheap sound card. Non of these cards showed this problem.

Cavemankr!
I never knew you could shut down the computer by holding down the start button for 5 seconds.... well I've never really had the need to...until I got this K8T Neo job. I wondered why it wouldn't turn off when I just pushed it. I've been using the PSU switch with these problems.
Yep! She booted right up. Audigy back in action. I also realized I had my PC hooked straight in the wall (while checking to see if my surge protector was working this weekend), so turning off the surge protector wasn't cutting power to the cheapo PSU.
So put me in your camp!
I'll just plug the PC straight into the UPS and keep power fed to the Enermax. I hope that was the cause of my keyboard/mouse cold boot problem also.
I'll assume the cheapo PSU will behave similarly. I don't really want to go through the swap again.
I wonder why that happens!
Buddy
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My Unofficial K8t Neo Guide

Disclaimer: You try any and all troubleshooting at YOUR OWN RISK!!
Here is my unofficial guide to the K8t Neo fisr2 If you Like It give it a thumbs up so it will stick out. I will warn you it is long and I will edit off and on.
to add as needed.
first I'll start off with components,
CASE..you will need an atx case with good cooling a few extra fans like a blowhole at the top can help cooling, also bundle cables and power leads
so that they don't interfere with airflow.
MOTHERBOARD,...This is based on the K8TNEO series, when you attach it to your case make sure that is is mounted to risers to keep it from contacting case, they are usually small brass pins, also make sure that all the mounting screw are secure and in place, this will prevent the PCB from flexing and cracking as you install components, there should be around 9 or so screws, that usually go into the riser pins or raised case mounting points,don't forget to use those fiber or plastic insulated washers. These should be the only case contact point to the mobo other then the back plate with all the usb, net jacks etc..
Also use all of the mount points you can..if not you can crack mobo putting in cards etc...
CPU...Athlon64 processor2800+, 3000+, 3200+, or a 3400+, all 754 pin chips...k8neo CAN NOT USE FX chips or Opterons. 3200,&3000 are basically the same chip, same clockspeed of 2.0 ghz but the l2 cache is different 3200 1mb...3000 512k, you may not notice the difference in many applications but will see 2~10% diff in benchmark testing, the 3000 is usually about $75 cheaper
the 2800 is a newer model an a good way to get into 64bit without high cost.
PSU.... one of the most overlooked and most important component,
that old 300 watter you have from your old duron 800 don't even try.PSU's have caused a lot of trouble with a64 systems, they use a lot of power Get a good name brand psu if you can, and make sure it is at least 400 watts and has at the minimum of 20a on 12v, also look at combined total wattage
the psu must have a 20 pin connector and a 4 Pin( Square) Connector, and there is Only 1, Called the+12V 4 Pin Processor Connector.
some of the recommended brands are enermax,and antec.
Here is the reason most problems are the psu
amd64 uses 12v power, Intel chips used a lot of 5v power.
so until now most big psu's pushed 5 v not 12v
almost everything in your computer uses 12v except ram (3.3V)
AMD 64 and motherboard =12a @12V
so your already at 12A with no fan,s no hd, no CD,no DVD ,no mobo chip-set , no mem, no sound..etc
so what happens is your mem gets starved for power and then gives out errors,in your data, which = corrupt sata,or it fails to post. .
MEMMORY...Another big trouble spot,not just with the MSI board but with Via chip-set, and or the A64 memory controller.
DDR non ecc- single channel 400 is baseline although slower chips also work, The CPU's memory unit only supports 4 banks total so in order to use three sockets at least two of the memory sticks have to be 1 bank,.one bank or two bank chips look similar so check specs, dual bank chips usually have chips on the back as well. mem should match type and speed. if you run into problems try going into bios and limiting ram to 333.mem should match type and speed.
(edited out till i find more info [STRIKEOUT] if using two mem sticks it is best to use slots 1 and 3,[/STRIKEOUT])
edit :ok tiresmoke just replied so have a look. "One thing that often does not get addressed. I had a couple Blue Screens early on. Here is how I fixed it. I run my RAM in sockets 1 and 3. 1 and 2 gave a little instability.Yes I decided to keep mine in slot 1/3 but I did test in 1/2 since I changed Bios. Typically slot 1/3 can slow you down but it did not with mine so best to say that difference RAM will give different symptoms. Try combinations to find what works best for you."
LOL Keep in mind that Jocko uses 3 sticks of dual bank RAM and according to AMD they only support 4 banks total. Jocko has 6 so you do the math.
you can check msi's website for compatible ram, but be careful it can be confusing,
they list by part numbers,
but some known configurations that work are:
I would stay away from corsair xms mem right now many people have problems.
corsair and kingston owners may want to look here
AMD 3000+ systems...
BIOS 1.2
2 x 512 - Corsair CMX DDR400 @2-3-2-5
2 x 512 - Corsair Twin Pro DDR400 @ 2-3-2-6
2 x 512 - Corsair Value Select DDR400 @ defaults
1 x 512 - Geil Golden Dragon DDR400 @ 2-3-3-6 (2.7V)
2 x 512 - Hynix DDR400 @ 2-3-3-6
2 x 512 - Kingmax DDR433 @ 2.5-3-3-6
2 x 512 - Kingston DDR400 @ 3-3-3-8
1 x 512 - Kingston HyperX DDR400 @ (defaults?)
1 x 512 - Kingston ValueRam (KVR400X64C3A) DDR400? @ (Defaults?)
2 x 512 - Muskin Level 1 DDR400 @ 2-3-2-6
2 x 512 - Muskin Level 2 DDR433 @ (defaults?)
2 x 256 + 1 x 512 - Muskin Basic DDR400 @ 2.5-3-3-8
1 x 1024 - OCZ EL DDR400 @ 2-3-2-6
BIOS 1.3b2
2 x 512 OCZ EL DDR433 @ 2-3-3-7
AMD 3200+ systems...
BIOS 1.1
2 x 512 - Mushkin Level 1 Black DDR433 @ 2.5-3-3-6
BIOS 1.2
2 x 512 - Apacer DDR400 @ 3-4-4-8 (2.5v)
2 x 512 - Corsair Twin X DDR400 @ 2-3-2-6
1 x 1024 - Corsair TwinX DDR400 @ 2-3-2-6
2 x 512 - Crucial DDR400 @ defaults
2 x 512 - Elixer OEM DDR400 @ defaults
1 x 1024 - GeIL GoldenDragon DDR400? @ defaults
2 x 512 - Geil Value Series 512MB DDR 2.5-3-3-6
2 x 512 - Hynix DDR400 @ 2-3-3-6
2 x 512 - Kingston HyperX KX DDR433 @ 2-3-3-8
2 x 512 - Kingston HyperX DDR400 @ (defaults?)
2 x 512 - Kingston HyperX DDR400 @ 2.5-3-3-8
2 x 512 - Mushkin Level 2 DDR400 @ 2-2-2-5 (2.75V)
2 x 256 - Mushkin Level 2 DDR400 @ 2-2-2-5
2 x 256 + 1 x 512 - Muskin Basic DDR400 @ (defaults?)
2 x 512 - Twinx CLPRO DDR400 @ (defaults?)
2x512- Pny Verto DDR433 @defualts
AMD 3400+ systems...
BIOS 1.2
2 x 512 - Kingmax (MPXC22D-38KT3R) DDR400 @ defaults
2 x 512 - Mushkin Level 2 Black DDR433 @ 2-3-2-5
you may have to email you mem manufacturer and manually set timings and voltages to get your memory working.
HARD DRIVES......Here you have alot of choices, basically two categories, SATA and PATA(IDE). There are many brands and speeds, IDE drives come in different speeds, such as ata33, ata66, ata 100, ata 133 for hard drives, the 33,100,133, being theoretical maximum transfer rating MB/sec.
newer ata(IDE)hard drives are ata100 which is ultra 5, and ata133 ,ultra6 is ,
PIO mode is the standard data transfer mode without the ultra enhancements, the fastest being 16.66 mb/sec. ultra 2 is 33 mb/sec . So when i say my CD,DVD, and DVD are ultra 2 it means they transfer at a maximum of 33 mb/sec, and my Maxtor hardrives are ultra 6 and have a maximum transfer of133 mb/sec. my old zip100 transfers at a max of 16 mb/sec since its in pio mode. Note these are maximum speeds, my hardrive transfers more like 65 mb/sec sustained according to SIS Sandra.
That is why SATA 150 is such a big deal, vs say a Western digital ata100
SATA is a different interface all together and can transfers closer to its maximum
theoretical speed. BUT the pci bus itself is limited to 133 mb/sec so an add-on card
should never be able to reach over 133, regardless, of SCSI,IDE, or SATA
so on the k8t neo you have some choices. With the IDE you can use, IDE1,2, or 3
IDE1&2 are ata100. ) to attach use a 80pin round or flat cable, the first slot goes into the mobo, the middle connector is for a slave or should be left empty, use the end for master, or single drive. you must also setup jumpers for hd or cds.
The master is primary unit and the slave is secondary unit, for each channel.
Or use the Cable Select jumper and USUALLY the BIOS will select the drive for you.
IDE1 & 2 is ata100, or 133 depending on board if using for only 2 drives put them on different channels
...ie master on IDE 1, and master on IDE 2 . that way they will have maximum bandwidth. especially for disk to disk copies or burning
IDE3 RAID is ata133, or can be raid 0 or 1 by the promise chip. 0 being striped for performance,1 being mirrored for safety, mirror only protects hd from failure,not viruses,or corruption for that you need a backup or as i prefer a drive image program such as accronis trueimage..linux compatible.and Norton ghost.you will first have to enable the promise chip in the bios, then you have to load drivers by hitting F6 during windows installation, and insert floppy drive, yes you will need a floppy, at least for initial setup. If you want to set up raid you will have to do that first before loading windows,by hitting ctrl+F (read quick user's guide Serial ata raid, serial ata) only hd's can use ide3.If you don't have enough IDE slots you can add on pci card with one or two more headers for up to 4 more drives, I added a Maxtor ultra ata133, since i have 5 idehd's and 3 DVD/cds.
SATA, here you have two choices, use the Promise chip set or the Via. Either one or both can be set to raid0 or 1, see users guide to setup, You will also have to enable them first in bios, and F6 and load floppy drivers to use in windows install, or load drivers in windows if using an existing install. either chip-set can be set for raid, in the manual, opinions are that the Via is faster, but you wont have a HD LED activity indicator light, The promise will have a HD light, but is slightly slower.
Also note that SATAs don't OC as well as IDE hard drives, they can even crash and loose data.
always make a backup of your computer, and remember raid 1 does nothing for virus, or contaminated installs.
SOUND....Here you have a few choices, On board or Card, unfortunately not both, yet.(UPDATE Bios Version 1.5 and above will fix this)... If using a card there have been some issues with Audigy 1 cards, but there may be a cure in this threadhttps://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?threadid=46849&sid=( Moved to stickies) audigy2 and 2zs cards work fine as do turtle beach.
on-board sound is not as high definition and uses some CPU cycles, so a card might be advantageous to gamers.
REALTEK GIGABIT...Is the on-board Ethernet, you will need to load drivers once in windows, it has caused some problems booting, as it can be set to a boot device as well. you will get a message "failed to boot press any key."..then "ntdlr error"...to fix this you may need to hit the key combination during boot to set it up, it will bring you to a menu, you need to set boot order, i recommend setting it to bios, and you can adjust or disable message and time length it is displayed.
VIDEO CARDS- You should install an agp 8x directx9 video card for best performance. Ati has better directx support so is better for gaming, but Nvida has better OpenGL so if you want to do 3d in Linux, you have better luck with Nvida.
When you set up windows, install via 4-1 drivers first, then the video drivers, check video manufacturer's website for updated drivers. make sure any extra power leads are plugged in. In bios Agp should be fast write enabled, and
if you are using 1024 of ram aperture size to 256, but check 3dmark to see which setting is faster.
BIOS- NO BIOS INSTALLED This is a message that you see during boot up from the promise on-board raid saying that it found no drives attached to its SATA or IDE channels so it's not installed the BIOS.This IS NOT a problem or anything to worry about!
jumping Bios reset jumper, be careful, make sure power is off. jump it and return it to the original position. If you power on with jumper in reset position you can erase your bios...requiring a Return to Manufacturer Authorization(RMA)
I have had no problems using windows updating to the latest bios ,It cured some issues, such as firewire ports, sound blaster audigy1 troubles,tweaked temps displayed,and so on. but be sure to have a backup of original bios disk. I have heard new 1.8 beta bios cures Newcastle temp problems.
some good settings are.. SMART enabled this will warn you of hard disk failure,System bios cacheble and shadow ram are more for older computers and should be set to disable.boot to os2- disable...memory setting vary by card and some even need to be set manually so check with manufacturer or get familiar with cmos reset jumper.(just be sure to have power off)...plug and play os to disable(more of a win 98 thing) disable serials and parallel ports if you don't need them, as with on-board sound firewire etc. this is just a few pointers the rest is a more personal thing, but i have heard turbo setting causes problems and is best left to fast, and dynamic oc'ing is similar use at your own risk
USB keyboard don't forget to enable USB in the BIOS. This caused some problems when installing XP. Without USB enabled in BIOS when you come to the "Hit any key to proceed" the install will fail with the ntldr error
POWER SAVINGS...Having trouble getting fans or case lights to shut off on standby set to S3, then disable apm, and be sure to set a wakeup event..such as wake from usb, or keyboard command. I have agp boot disable, but depends on card.
Want to know more about bios, and what those settings are? click this link
http://www.rojakpot.com/(eb1mg5zatgcf5r55lv5no155)/default.aspx?location=9
CORE CENTER....Another personal choice, I like it and use it a lot, to increase and decrease fsb without going through bios. the NB fan sensor should read 0 unless you plug a fan onto it, personally i have an 80mm antec and it doesn't read it, but i tried a old CPU fan and it worked fine.
COOL AND QUIET Another personal choice, I don't use it because some people have had there CPUs power down in the middle of games, and such
(it goes down to 800 MHz) others had small bugs in there system that went away when they disabled it. But some like it and use it a lot. Good for energy savings.
want to get your boot time down
start by selecting OS drive as first in boot sequence, you can always change bios when you want to boot from floppy or CD(which isn't often).disable floppy drive seek
then clean out your startup folder under rt click explore start button.
try and get services set to auto down to about 25. defrag your hdrive routinely,
. ditch wall paper, and get rid of windows startup screen.(msconfig,boot.ini.and check noguiboot). keep your drivers updated
if you can find it you can use then try bootvis, but microsoft doesn't support it anymore.Programs ..some useful free utilities are listed below, check goggle, until i make links for them.
SiS Sandrahttp://www.sisoftware.net/, a good all around benchmark,burn in and, info display
3DMARK.http://www.futuremark.com/download/.Mostly a Video tester, good for checking OC though.
Microsoft Memory testerms memtester
+86memtest.http://www.memtest86.com/..and Prime95http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft.htmvery good mem testers, and tests for stability
spybot search and destroy, http://www.safer-networking.org/index.php?page=homeand
Lavasoft's ad-aware http://www.lavasoftusa.comgot to have for house cleaning.
atitool, http://atitool.ocfaq.com/oc ap for ati cards,click find max core let it go for 15min or so,then set back to default, and click find max mem...for 15min or so, and now you have the max you can set your video card too.(but set safety limits before manually setting)
[STRIKEOUT]mbm5 mbm5 link good alternative temp readings to corecenter.[/STRIKEOUT]
good program but discontinued.
OTHER USEFUL PROGRAMS
Norton utilities, good all around disk and OS utility
Norton Internet secuirity, or similar firewall and virus protector
Norton ghost, or other drive image software fantastic for backups
BF1942...lol just fun
HOME NETWORKING I will add this part because of additional posing of errors
dealing with USB Broadband routers...try using on board realtek or other Ethernet connection it will save your sanity.
well i have a real poor mans router setup for you
2 Ethernet slots, one for for broadband router and one to share.
if you only want one other computer, use a crossover cable, otherwise, use a hub or switch(better) and let Internet connection wizard and home networking on your machines work their magic,want a firewall download some software there are even, fairly decent free ones.the speed of the card isn't important because broadband still isn't over 10mb/sec yet, so blow the dust off that card in the closet and put it to work.or if your really brave or really cheap you can try to use the usb input from broadband, and on board ether, or firewire port, to link computers
Trouble shooting
for total no boot/post failure
I know you may know how to build a computer, and i know this is basic, so bear with me here, but at this point you have to do a methodical by the book check list.
revision
A: when you first install your motherboard make sure it does not contact case,
use all nine mounting points, make sure that your case either has built in risers, or use the small brass standoffs, and don't forget the fiber washers.
when you installed your CPU you:
1 ___you properly handle equipment so no static damage can occur, (properly grounded)
2____.you fully lift the CPU ziff socket arm up, orient the gold triangle marking arrow,pins and it easily dropped into socket, with no bent pins ,
3 ___ backer plate mounted carefully no missing pieces of the board flying off, ( i have seen people launch capacitors, and the like )
4 ____obviously you removed the plastic thermal pad cover, and heatsink was evenly locked down, and fully seated, and correctly plugged into mobo cpufan1.
and you fully removed old thermal pad/grease and applied new artic silver, or new heatsink with plastic on pad,you didn't reuse old paste or pad.
memory
5 _____memory stick(not sticks, at this point you just want to get it working, not full blast with a gig of ram etc)is fully seated and properly oriented in slot, and is 184 pin ddr non-registered , non ecc ram , and you have tried different non corsair, non twinmoss, brands that have been known to work. and/ or
tried to set manually mem speed/voltage for some models of corsair, twinmoss, and kingston)
6.____ plug in only power switch pins 6,8and power led to jfp1, pins 2,4 and they are turned correctly,
7. ____your new psu has the 20 pin and square 4 pin power connector plugged in to jpw1 turned right and fully seated. and has a bare min of 18a on 12v+ rail.
8 ____your video card is fully seated an locked down,also securely screwed in.
9 ____your floppy drive cable iss facing right way (pin1 is matched with red stripe)
10. ____you have ata cables for hd and CD set to master/slave or cs. with hard drive set as master, end of cable.
11 _____the power plugs are all fully seated, including psu rear plug,floppy ,hd, and CD.
12. _____keyboard(ps2) and mouse plugged in, monitor plugged into video card,
13 ______every thing is fully secured in case, side cover is off.
14 ______CMOS jumper is set 1,2 keep data, all usb stuff is unplugged, except for dbracket.
power it up, one beep, fans spin, in psu and CPU, and video card,
you get no bios found error,(promise adapter not finding satas..no worries)
or hit Del to go into bios, set boot order, and .......
.........your now at the end of the road, and it should by all means work,
now what i am after,
there are no bent pins, on CPU, you reapplied artic silver paste.
no loose wires,
properly applied heat sink with fan cooling,
you have tried different brands of known ,to work in an MSI k8tneo
ddr ram 1 stick at a tme.
you have tried different video cards, and in case of higher end card, the external molex power supply as plugged in,
you have tried different ata hard drives
you then have tried have set up your SATA drive correctly .
everything is securely plugged in ..fully seated and oriented the right way?
what are d-bracket error light, and any beep codes?
you have tried a different wall outlet, you have changed surge protectors,
you never hot plugged video cards, hd cables or power etc.
i know this redundant , and basic , it is not meant to be insulting , it is meant to be a checklist and rule out all basic errors and potential problems
if your mem bandwidth is slower then 3000..like 2400 this may help
Received from a user - Slow memory 1T Command fix
OK, here's what to do. Download the following ftp://ftp.vector.co.jp/pack/win95/hardware/other/wpcrs120.exe extract it, and run InstDD.exe. It'll ask to reboot, you don't need to do it right away, at least I didn't have to. Fire up WPCRSET.exe and do the following. Under startup, click on start, and under device, click enable. Now click add. The bus device and function will be 0,24, and 2. The register and data values will be the 93,08. There we have it! Enjoy everyone. I know I'm much happier now.
Here's a graphic to make it easier:
I will add more by edit, or post as needed but i should post now so it can be put to use.
I would like to Thank BAS,wonkaboy, Jocko, ethereal, Tiresmoke, Reilly, and the many others whose valued input helps solve problems.

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amd 64=12a @12V
ati 9800=7.5~10.5a @12V (assuming 90~125 watts) a max load,
a 9600 ir nvida 5200 used far less power
so your already at 18a with no fan,s no hd, no cd,no dvd ,no mobo chipset , no mem, no sound..etc
If you exclude the motherboard, memory, etc like you did there, the amd 64 draws 7.2A @ 12V.
90~125W for an ATI 9800?! [irony]Are you working for a PSU manufacturer or what?[/irony] That's just absurd.
Go read this post to get a feel for the actual power consumption: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?postid=297061&sid=#post297061

[Athlon64] MSI K8T NEO-V : incompatibility with ATI RADEON 9800 PRO

Hi,
I read all the subjets on this forum about Radeon problems with MSI K8T NEO motherboard. Most of the peple can't use their graphic card in all situations.
My PC is :
-MSI K8T NEO-V
-AMD-64 3200
-Power : 400W
-ATI RADEON 9800 PRO
-1 Go DDRAM (2x512 in single channel)
-Hercules Digifires 7.1
I bought a new MSI K8T NEO-V with AMD 64.
The problem is that I can't use the computer in the games with AGP 8X even if I try to enable-disable all the options possibles in BIOS and Windows (fast write ...) : The computer freeze (screen disapear as if there was no video signal), reboot or return to Windows disabling the accelerated mode.
But in AGP 4X, all the game run without problem with all setups of BIOS !!!
I tried all the drivers (the new and the old drivers). Even if all are updated, it freeze.
There are no BIOS update for my motherboard. I saw that some people had BIOS update for compatibility with some Radeon cards ...
So, I don't know how to repair the problem because AGP 8X is AGP 8X and not 4X, and my Radeon run fine on other computer, and nothing say that Radeon 9800 pro don't run on this motherboard.
Does someone have the solution to make it work ? Does a new BIOS or driver update exist somewhere for Radeon cards ?

What Bas said about 30+ amps on the 12v rail does have merit. Even if you don't use it now there may come a time when you want to upgrade the system and certainly you won't want to buy yet another PSU then. A High end vid card now takes almost as much as the CPU to operate. Now days the 12v rail is the most important. Past systems regulated everything off the 5v railk and 12v was used mostly for powering drive motors. Now though the MB's use the 12v line to regulate all the voltages for the CPU, Chipset and other features as does the Vid cards. 3.3 volt lines are used for memory so we hardly use any 5v nowdays.
You have an older viod card and that does not eat much 12v but if you upgrade the most likely peice will be the vid card. You could go through this whole thing all over again if you are not careful to plan for that now with a new PSU purchase.
If the computer shop gives you a bunch of bull about power needs havbe them stop by the forum and we can help set them straight on this. There is more than enough data from MSI and historical data here that suggests that 16a on the 12v rail is certainly not enough. Hey I am not trying to sell you anything. I am just trying to help you get it right. The computer shop is the one trying to sell you something we just feel they are selling the wrong junk.

K8T Neo V - Radeon X800 GTO Issues

Hi, I've just upgraded my PC to an MSI K8T Neo-V MB with an Athlon 3400 and am having
issues when running it with my Radeon X800 GTO :(
Everything boots up ok, until the point Windows XP has loaded and goes to the login screen.
At this point I get a variety of lockups, screen freezes until the monitor loses 'contact' with
the gfx card. It does seem like XP is still running in the background and only the gfx card has failed
but couldn't be sure
However, I can run it with my Radeon 9800 Pro (AGP 4X only mind you, AGP 8X locks up as well
but I can live with 4x based on what I've read elsewhere in this forum )
Steps I took:
When I found the 9800 worked, I performed a complete un-install of the drivers, rebooted to
make sure they were gone, powered down, swapped cards, booted and installed drivers, rebooted
and then it hung.
I'm running it with a 450 W power supply.
It's worth mentioning that this card/power supply worked fine on my ASROCK K7s8x MB before the upgrade.

Well, I'm now lighter in pocket to the tune of £70 ! I had to buy a new power supply in the end to test this one out. Whilst not my first choice, I ended up with a Jeantech Arctic 600W. Unfortunately the one I'd earmarked from PC World's website wasn't available in store (I couldn't wait for someone to deliver it to me lol ), however a quick check on the web namely 'Tom's Hardware' confirmed it as a reasonable PSU, and for £70 I should hope so to.
Now for the bad news...having uninstalled etc etc swapped cards out and installed new drivers....there is no difference at all. Same issue as before, you get to the XP login screen and it hangs in various different ways.
I don't think this is a power issue anymore, as all I am running with is:
The MSI Board
Athlon 64 3400(not overclocked)
80GB Maxtor 7200 IDE drive
1 x DVD Drive
1 x CDRW Drive
and possibly at some point, a Radeon X800!, but currently a Radeon 9800 Pro

6600GT not working with K8T neo-FIS2R

I recently returned a K8T NEO-FIS2R MB for repair. The problem was that the PS/2 and USB ports were broken. However the MB has been returned and the PS/2 and USB ports work fine. I posted about this several months ago.
Now the AGP port seems to be broken (not the actual slot). I have tried a 6800 Ultra and a 6600 GT (AGP version) GFX card in this slot. Both cards fail at the driver installation point. I have tried driver versions 66.93, 67.02 and 67.03. I also tried 3 versions of the via drivers 451, 453 and 455. Even tried XP with SP1 and SP2. The PC will sometimes BSOD, reset, won't boot into windows. The drivers sometimes install then other times they won't, etc. The problems only seem to be with the drivers for the GFX cards.
The 6600 GT works as I have tried it in another MB without any problems.
I know the memory works fine as I used memtest86+ for a couple of hours on the default settings without any errors and it works in another PC.
The spec of the PC is:
XP pro
K8T NEO-FIS2R MB
512MB corsair XMS at 2.5-3-7-3
XFX 6600GT
40gig HDD
FDD
Plextor CD writer
DVD Rom
PSU is a Q-tec 550W
I know Q-tec PSUs are not up to much from what I have read elsewhere in this forum, but I have had it running in a similar system with the 6800 Ultra installed without any trouble (even with the above MB before it went faulty). I have also tried a 400W PSU, that came with the case. The Voltages on the 12V line are between 12.00 and 12.03 when using the Q-tec PSU.
Has any body else had these problems with the 6600GT in the mentioned MB.
Also, how can I check the serial number on the MB with the label on the box, as this MB that was returned to me looks to “clean” to be the one I sent away for repair.
Thanks for any help

Hey, I'm glad to see a post on the new Gforce 6600GT AGP card. I just recently put together a brand new system (see my sig for specs). System runs great. The only thing I wanted to do was replace the video card, and after a great deal of anxiety I decided the Geforce 6600GT AGP was the best bang for the buck.
Well I got home, installed the card and never get passed the bios screen. (shows your processor, memory, memory siz), the screen u hit DEL to go into the bios.
The system doens't lock up, NUM LOCK can still be turned on and off, and CAPS can be turned of and on... but thats it. Just sits on that screen. I can't go into the bios either.
what settings do I need to do prior to isntalling this card to get it to work.
Let me know if you all need anymore details to help me out.
oh, I did reset my frequency to 10x200 (which is what I think the 3000+ is supposed to be at).

HEAVY Problems with Linux x86_64 on K8T Neo

Hello, Community!
I experience *HEAVY* Problems with Linux on my MSI K8T Neo (FSR). Since the customer support of the german dependancy seems to ignore my call for help I'm in good hope that maybe you can help me out or give me some useful advise.
First some Hardware Specs of my system:
MSI K8T Neo FSR, Rev 1.1, BIOS 1.5
AMD Athlon 64 3000+
3x 512MB Kingston DDR400
Enermax EG365P-VE (350W) PSU (3.3V/5V 185W Combinded)
MSI GeForce FX5200 TDR 128
Adaptec ATA RAID AAR1200A (HPT370A) in PCI Slot 3
Hauppauge WinTV PCI in PCI Slot 5
Maxtor 4K040H2 (40GB) as Primary Master
JLMS XJ-HD166S DVD-ROM as Primary Slave
LiteOn LDW-411S DVD+/-RW as Secondary Master
LiteOn LTR-52327S CD-RW as Secondary Slave
2x Maxtor 6Y060L0 (60GB) on HPT370A as Primary Master/Slave
Seagate ST380020A (80GB) on HPT370A as Secondary Master
Maxtor 32049U3 on HPT370A as Secondary Slave
KeyTronic KT2001 USB Keyboard
Microsoft Optical Wheel Mouse Blue USB
I've downloaded Fedora Core 1 x86_64 as well as the lately released Fedora Core 2 test 3 x86_64 distribution. Both CD sets have been burnt ok.
If I try to install Core 1 x86_64 (Kernel 2.4.22-1.2179) the kernel crashes with a "attempted to kill idle task" panic. As far as I've learned the workaround is to give idle=poll as kernel parameter. This resolves the kernel panic, but the installer randomly crashes with segfaults at a random stage; sometimes while loading anaconda, sometimes during package install.
If I try to install Core2 test 3 x86_64 (Kernel 2.6.5) I get a, completely new, error message while the kernel does the PCI Scan:
******* Your BIOS seems to not contain a fix for K8 errata #93
******* Working around it, but it may cause SEGVs or burn power
******* Please consider a BIOS update
******* Disabling USB legacy in the BIOS may also help
I removed my USB keyboard, connected a PS/2 keyboard, disabled to USB Legacy option (I need it enabled in order to use Ghost) in the BIOS and booted again.
The error message is gone now, but as in Core 1 the installer still crashes randomly with segfaults. I'm still unable to go all the way through the installation routine.
I even tried to install Fedora Core 1 "i386": again there are segfaults during install.
Contrary to the problems I experience while trying to install Linux my Windows XP (32-Bit), as well as a test installation of Windows XP 64-Bit, run like a charm without any problems. Strange but true.
Since I already read trough several posts in this forum I already tried running my system with memory sticks from another manufacturers as well as with a more powerful PSU. I even removed my tv-card and raid-controller.
Nogo - Linux still crashes randomly and Windows still works without any flaws.
Has anyone a clue what I can/must do to successfully install Linux?
Might it be that the BIOS has some flaws that might cause the problems?
Has anyone managed to install Linux (what distribution) on this Mainboard?
I would greatly appreciate any help. If you need to know something I haven't provided here please feel free to ask. I'll answer ASAP.
Thank you in advance.
P.S.: The system is *NOT* overclocked in any way.

And now even the last problem is solved ...
Since I was successful in installing a basic Gentoo system but still failed to install Fedora I reflashed BIOS 1.5. This time I cleared the CMOS by unplugging the PSU, setting the jumper and removing the backup battery.
Yesterday I only flashed it with the /a switch, which should have cleared the CMOS as well - so far for the theory. However, it once went fine as I upgraded from BIOS 1.1 to 1.4.
After setting up the BIOS options again I gave it another try and booted from Fedora (Core 2 test 3) install CD: No more complains about the CPU errata, although USB legacy is enabled, and I even went through the installation without any problems.
It seems as I will stick with Gentoo as my primary distribution since the kernel makes a more "mature" impression than the one from Fedora (i.e. the K8 PowerNOW! Driver seems to be missing in Fedora's Kernel 2.6.5).
By using an spare Athlon XP Mainboard I worked out that only one of my three Kingston memory sticks had errors - I'm going to replace the faulty stick tomorrow.
Now for the conclusio:
Thanks, especially you JLP, for helping me with my issue. Without the advise to use Gentoo, and the included MemTest86, I wouldn't have been able to track down the error to a faulty memory stick that fast since Windows always ran fine.

K8T-Neo Ati 9600xt troubleshooting

Alright, I have a complication and need assistance. I think I either have a new, but defective Ati Sapphire 9600xt video card or there is a compatibility issue with the K8T-Neo. I have a system (specs to follow), that works perfect with an Ati 8500. When I install a Ati 9600xt Sapphire board, the screen recieves a signal ("no signal received" message stops bouncing around as a screen saver) but the screen remains blank (monitor power button led stays yellow, doesn't turn green). The hard drive led runs, but the computer doesn't boot, it just beeps approximately 8 times, goes quiet for a second or two, then just beeps. No boot. Blank Screen. I've tried all the Bios. All the drivers. All the different devices unplugged. Different voltage to the agp. Different slots and single chip of the RAM. Overclocked and normal settings. Believe you me, I've read and done most of the recommendations from other questions/threads. Still, nothing with the Sapphire ATI 9600xt, but perfect with the ATI 8500 (which I plan to put in to a computer built for my friend).
Athlon 64 3000+ (excellent cooling)
MSI K8T-Neo (all bios/drivers up to date as of 12/14/2004)
Corsair 1022MB DDR400 3200 RAM (2x512)
WD 40mb IDE 7200rpm
Toshiba CD-Rom/DVD 52x/16x
Artec CDR/CDR-W 48x/48x/24x
ATI 8500 (computer works perfect)
ATI 9600 (computer flat out doesn't boot)
Power supply:
450w
(+5v=45a,+12v=16a,+3.3v=20a,sb+5v=2a,-5v=0.5a,-12v=0.5a)
Am I doing too much work, should I just return it and get a different brand, chip, style, etc.........of video card?

Quote
Originally posted by samiam
Well, your statement does make sense I guess. I just hate to spend $100 on a good power supply to find out it still doesn't work. I'm just looking to make sure I've covered all bases...... Make sure there aren't known compatibility issues with the K8T-Neo and the Ati 9600xt. I'll probably buy a better power supply if this is REALLY what usually works for most people. I'm just afraid to get the new supply, and still have nothing but more money spent.....like everyone probably.
samiam
The most important component on these comps is the PSU, I run the Vid card you have, not a problem, but then I have the amps to do it. The PSU you have is overloaded , it will fail one day, if it blows and fries your rig, then replacement will be a lot more than $100. Why buy a superb sports car, and put a lawnmower engine in it, better with just the lawnmower, it will be more use to you.
This CPU contains the NB, and controls most things, the Mobo is less employed than with previous boards. These rigs run on +12v, the 3.3v and +5v, are not so important on here as on a Intel machine. Your vid card will need about 6 amps of clean power to run well, the mobo and CPU need 12 amps, Fans, Disk Drives all need amps, as do PCI cards, Ram and just about everything on this rig - +12v.
25 amps will run your rig, over 30 amps much better, all the little niggles and freeses disappear. Plus it will run faster and sharper. Buy a good PSU first, then add the rest
cheers
jocko

K8T Neo: Problem at power-on...

Hello!
Somehow I experience a strange startup-problem ... and I could really need some advice to resolve this issue as I'm out of ideas.
Last weekend I completely disassembled my rig for the annual "spring-time maintenance". I cleaned out dust, I cleaned the inside and outside of the case and I replaced my DVD-ROM and CD-RW drive with a LG DVD+/-R(W)/RAM drive. After everything was put together again I powered up my system - and it started to act strange.
Symptom: At power-on the system hangs at "Early Chipset Init" (D-Bracket 1-4: GRRR) and keeps on self-resetting. Several seconds (10-30) later the system starts to POST as expected and runs smoothly until ... power down.
During the night the system is completely disconnected from the power as it drains a lot of juice in stand-by (~12W for the rig + ~18W for several other external components like scanner, audio, ...).
What I've done so far to track down the error:
- Reseated power connectors. Nope - problem persists.
- Pulled all unnecessary components (just MoBo, CPU, RAM, GFX-card, Keyb). Nope - same prob.
- Pulled all memory sticks, left only one in the slot (and tried every other one). Nope - same prob.
- Cleared CMOS - Nope - same prob.
- Ran memtest86+. Showed no errors after 10+ passes.
Now I'm out of ideas ... except for the power-on problem the system runs just fine as before. No crashes, no malfunctions, no nothing.
Technical Data:
MSI K8T Neo FSR (BIOS 2.0)
AMD Athlon 64 3000+ (Clawhammer Core)
Zalman CNPS7000B CPU-Cooler
3x 512MB Kingston CL2.5 PC400 DDR-RAM (@DDR333 - 3 sticks = DDR333 only!)
NVIDIA GeForce 6600GT AGP (Power Connector is plugged in)
Highpoint HPT370A IDE Controller (PCI 3)
Hauppauge WinTV PCI FM (PCI 5)
Seagate 80GB SATA - Operating system
Hitachi 160GB - OnBoard Pri IDE, Master
LG 4167B - OnBoard Pri IDE, Slave
Maxtor 200GB - HPT370A Pri IDE, Master
Seagate 400GB - HPT370A Pri IDE, Slave
Maxtor 80GB - HPT370A, Sec IDE, Master
Tagan TG480-U01 480W PSU (3.3V@28A, 5V@48A, 12V@28A)
As I have a Wattmeter at my avail: After power-on and boot-up the system "sucks" ~315W (rig + monitor). If I put load on the system (CPU at full clock, GeForce displaying 3D) it drains ~390W.
As mentioned above I never had any issues with the system.
Does anyone have a suggestion how to resolve the rather annoying power-on problem ?!?
Thanks,
Jochen

Quote from: Tiresmoke on 06-April-06, 20:09:53
Did you checl and replace the CMos Battery? You may need to do a complete Bios Clear and start fresh there as well.
Also as the Optical drives changed did you try removing them one at a time and see if the system acts noirmally then?
Hello, Tiresmoke!
. I unplugged the PSU from the wall socket and removed the battery while clearing the CMOS. The CMOS Battery is OK - ~3.34V (reading from a Voltmeter - matches with the display at PC Health Status).
. I already took out the LG DVD-RAM drive and put the old optical drives back in. Even in its old "original" configuration the aforementioned problem persists.
. I already reseated the CPU and renewed the thermal compound.
However, I even get the "Early chipset" startup when the system is bareboned ... CPU + 1 memstick (doesn't matter which one out of the three I plug in) + Keyb + GFX. D-Bracket shows "Early Chipset Init", the boards goes through several reset-loops and fires up fine.
BTW: Maybe this will give some clue ...
. When I do a warm reset (reboot triggered by OS) the board restarts fine - Reset, POST, Boot.
. When I shutdown and disconnect power from the PSU, lets say for about 5 minutes, then reconnect it and power-on the "Early chipset init" shows up.
Are there any chances that the PSU is actually causing the problem although this particular problem never showed up before the "spring-cleaning"?
Thanks,
Jochen

Msi k8t neo fis2r problems part 3

sometimes when the computer is turned on it just turns the fans and leds on but doesnt boot up...
most of the time it loads up and i boot to the windows xp cd and i install the drivers for sata and then when it reaches the point of copying the files it will give me a bsod and say that there is a problem with the irql driver and then force me to shut the pc down..
sometimes it makes it past that and will begin to copy files onto the hard drive, like somehow the data is becoming corrupted..however it will start to say that the files cant copy randomly and it will allow me to retry..they will copy the 2nd time usually..i can keep hitting retry and it will usually go by..it gets to 30 something % and then crashes to bsod just giving me some random error..for some reason the files keep screwing up that go on the sata drive....I just replaced the old power supply that wasnt working with an antec true watt 430 watt power supply, so i know it isnt that..
i just cant figure out what the heck is going on..any help would be appreciated.my specs are
"IRQ NOT EQUAL OR LESS"
athlon 64 3000+ cpu
msi k8t neo fis2r motherboard
mushkin special cas 2.0 2-2-2-5 512 mb pc 3200
western digital 8mb cache 80 gb sata hard drive
sapphire radeon 9800 pro 128 mb 8x agp

fyi look an your cd sticker ity will show power, consumption, but they are way lower than you would think, hard drives,can be only 10 watts, less then some case lights , and fans, cd are similar.. your video, is the biggy somewhere between 90~150 watts..yikes .next to the cpu..and the mobo can use 50 or so (not sure about new mobos) not to mention the ram 1024 is @40 watts or so., dont forget about 25watts per pci card, not counting the sound card which can be double....
ergo the need for a big psu..
the combined total ratting on a psu is not the max number that the psu is rated, that is surge value.. so a 500 may only hold 400 sustained , and that will drop as the machine heats up, so in the end your 500 may onlyy pull 366 @50'c...

MSI K8T NEO FIS2R No VGA help plz!

Hi, ive just purchased a new athlon 3000 64 cpu retail and an msi k8t neo fis2r motherboard, the specs and problem are below but plz bare in mind i am a system builder for the last 3 years i have tried alot of things to solve this.
MSI K8T NEO FIS2R MOBO
AMD 3000 64 RETAIL CPU
AMD RETAIL HSF
1024MB DDR333 SAMSUNG RAM
120 GIG WD HD
GALAXY GLACIER GEFORCE 6800 GT 256MB
PIONEER 106 DVD WRITER
400 WATT PSU (TSUNAMI I THINK)
Anyway the problem is this when i put the system together and turned it on i dont get any vga the monitor just says NO SIGNAL and when i look at the graphics card the fan on it isnt spinning.
Yet i have my old setup which is as follows,
ASUS A7N8X DELUXE MOBO
AMD 3200XP BARTON
AMD HSF
1024MB DDR333 AMSUNG
120 GIG WD HD
GALAXY GLACIER GEFORCE 6800 GT 256MB
PIONEER 106 DVD WRITER
400 WATT PSU
Basically the same as above i just changed the cou and mobo now when the graphics card is in that system it works fine no problems as soon as i try it in the new a64 system it doesnt work the fan doesnt spin and nothing comes on screen, ive tried everything i know ive double and trebble checked connections and ive tried removing components and then trying it, no matter what the graphics wont work.
I figured the motherbaord must be faulty and am going to contact the place i got it from but it would be good if anyone here knows how to solve it if it isnt the motherboards fault.
thanks very much.
ic3man1999.

Thanks guys, huess what like an idiot i forgot to put the 4 pin 12v in :( doh
Anyway it works fine now, but i have high temps core centre says 56 degrees right now while im typing this ? is this accurate or am i in trouble ?
Oh yeah and everytime i load windows it says new hardware found ide channel then secondary ide channel then it says a problem occured during your new hardware installation and it calls the hardware HDC it says this twice aswell.
ANy help guys ?
thanks

K8T Neo Eary Chipset initilisation hang

I've just got my MSI K8T Neo Motherboard replaced and the replacement arrived today. I plugged in the cpu, cpu fan and the D-Bracket and it seems to hang at the 'Early Chipset Initilisation.' Same thing happens with the ram and gfx card installed. I've put both the 4 and 20 pin psu cables in and in the manual it doesn't say what's wrong if it hangs at this stage so does anyone know what the hell is going on?

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Originally posted by Jocko
It could still be ram, you may have to try a few.
It could also be a ground, either form a cable touching case or Mobo, or a fixing screw on MOBO touching board, no USB devices plugged in? The fans are working OK.
Other thing that can cause this is a bent pin on CPU, if you remove make sure and replace with silver artic paste or similar.
good luck
jocko
Tried several sticks of ram, don't think it'd be this though because if it does have a problem with the ram, the d-bracket will let me know if it's broken or not in place properly.
The motherboard isn't in the case atm, it's put on an anti-static sheet to eliminate this problem.
Had a look at the CPU and all the pins look alright.
Edit> Also, no devices conected at all, and fans work ok, even the gfx card so power getting around it looks ok
Thanks for help

Geil Ram and K8T NEO?

Geil Value Series 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-3200
Will this work with a K8T Neo FSR?

I have 2 512mb sticks in my PC and they work fine. However, I have read that they may use different memory chips within there series which may cause an issue. I don't know how true that is though.
AMD Athlon 64 2800+ (212FSb)
K8T NEO-FSR
Thermaltake Silent Boost K8
MSI ATI 9800 Pro Plus (R360)
2 x Geil Value Series 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-3200
WD 120 GB HD
Case – Antec Oveture (True 380 PSU)

Blown PSU K8T Neo

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