BPM Sync Interface

Hi friends,
In my current interface, i am using BPM and in that i am sending sync request to Proxy, when the proxy takes more time i.e. more than 3 mins, i am getting timeout error in xi monitoring. Because the default timeout parameter was 3 mins. Now i changed all the default parameters to 5 mins. Even now, i am getting the same timeout error.
My current BPM design,
Start - Receive - Transformation - Sync Send - Transformation - Send - End.
Please suggest me, whether we can have any wait step to wait for specified minute after the Sync send step. If we add that wait step, will there be any performance issue?
Please suggest me.
Regards
Bala

In a Sync step the Request and Response happen in the same call
Now in Async flow you make a request (using the same Req Message that you are using in the Sync Request Message section).
Then have Async Receive step (with a correlation defined).
Disadvantage:
1) In this case you need to have a field for correlation
2) Call has to be made Async on the receiving system also....so config may change at target end...
Advantage:
No need to worry about the time taken to receive the Response .... however it is always better to introduce some alert mechanism if the response is not received within some desired timeframe ... this behavior is shown in the BPM designs present under: IR -> SAP BASIS> http://sap.com/xi/XI/System/Patterns --> BpmPatternReqRespAlert
Regards,
Abhishek.

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Control Step
Use
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Proxy..
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http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/14/555f3c482a7331e10000000a114084/frameset.htm
How to Activate Proxy.
/people/vijaya.kumari2/blog/2006/01/26/how-do-you-activate-abap-proxies
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/people/siva.maranani/blog/2005/04/03/abap-server-proxies
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/people/stefan.grube/blog/2006/07/28/xi-debug-your-inbound-abap-proxy-implementation
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i see only async interfaces.
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sorry, problem is solved.
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http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw70/helpdata/en/43/6211331c895f6ce10000000a1553f6/content.htm
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2.File Abstract Message Interface-Output Message (File_Request_MT)
3.Async/ sync bridge Abstract interface to call the Webservice
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6 RFC Abstract Async Message interface-input message (RFC_Request)
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Raj,
Thanks for the feedback , but I have a question regarding your reply
Interface Objects
Object 1: File_Request_Abs
Object 2: Soap_Response_Abs
Object 3:Soap_Abs_Synch
Output Message:File_Request_Abs
Input Message:Soap_Response_Abs
Object 4:Rfc_Request_Abs
The question is about
a)SOAP_RESPONSE_ABS : could you please tell me why do we need an abstract interface -SOAP_RESPONSE_ABS?
I created a message type MT_SOAP_RESPONSE and used that in the BPM sync Send step as the Input message.
b)Soap_Abs_Synch- I am using message types
MT_File_request and MT_SOAP_Response From your reponse, it looks like you are suggesting to use
Abstract Interfaces as Output message and Input Message, am I correct? Could you please tell me whether this has advantages over using message types MT_file_request and MT_soap_reponse? I haven't used Abstract interfaces before as Input message and output message; infact, I wasn't even aware that it can be. Please confirm that it is possible. Thank you for increasing my knowledge !!!
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Message Type :
a) MT_Filerequest
b) MT_SOAPresponse
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a)MI_Filerequest_out_async -
Output message
Mess. type MT_filerequst
b)MI_filerequest_async_abs-
Mess. type MT_filerequst
Used
i) used for BPM receiver step- container definition
ii) receiver determination
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d)MI_webservice_sync_abs-
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Input message
RFC_Request(This is imported from RFC definition)
g) MI_RFC_async_abs
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RFC_Request(This is imported from RFC definition)
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ii)SOAPresponse_TO_BPM_response
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Target :MI_webservice_sync_in
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i configured a interface scenario SOAP - PI - Idoc using a BPM sync/async bridge.
i followed the document
when i try to call interface with my soap client i have the follow error in SXMB_MONI:
Timeout condition of pipeline reached
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I clear cache many time and reimported Integration Process more time.
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1. Don't do these mappings in BPM transformation step. You can execute them outside of BPM. Doing this, you will get better performance and also won't need to create abstract interfaces for RFC messages.
2. Use configuration wizard in Integration Directory (first, remove and reimport your BPM in Integration Directory). This way, you avoid different interfaces errors.
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Make sure that you have created a SYNC interface (ABS) which refers to the Request and response messages....and then the COntainers in your BPM refer to these request and response messages only!
The COntanier should have the same message types as they are in the SYNC ABS message Interface..... as of now they are different and hence the error.
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2.How sender is going to get response. is it thru Alerts or anything else?
3.What scnearios in realtime will use Sync. BPM?
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