Business System with or without Party

Hello,
I've a interface RFC to JDBC syncrhonous
I've two CC sender (RFC) for the same interface, one for each client. The test for one client is ok however the test in other client result with the follow error:
'aternativeServiceIdentifier: party/servce from channel configuration are not equal to party/service from lookup of alternativeServiceIdentifier..', I have seen the 730870 note (Q26) but i don't see how solved my problem.
1.- Somebody can explain me the difference betwen using business system with party or business system without party in the integration directory?
Thanks very much.

>
silvia diego wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
> I've a interface RFC to JDBC syncrhonous
> I've two CC sender (RFC) for the same interface, one for each client. The test for one client is ok however the test in other client result with the follow error:
>
> 'aternativeServiceIdentifier: party/servce from channel configuration are not equal to party/service from lookup of alternativeServiceIdentifier..', I have seen the 730870 note (Q26) but i don't see how solved my problem.
/people/shabarish.vijayakumar/blog/2008/01/08/troubleshooting--rfc-and-soap-scenarios-updated-on-20042009
>
> 1.- Somebody can explain me the difference betwen using business system with party or business system without party in the integration directory?
>
> Thanks very much.
in you case you dont ahve to use a part. You have different Business services.
Configure you RFC adapters, one for each client.
/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2005/03/29/configuring-the-sender-rfc-adapter--step-by-step

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Business system/service Service without party: info needed

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1> In XI, do I need to create a separate Buss System for 3rd Party sender interface( legacy->XI->R/3)
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Helpful answers will be rewarded.
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Hi Shirin,
For 3rd party sysytems u can directly configure in ID under bussiness service
we will choose service without party when we are having A2A communication.
A2A means application to application communication, it is used when two systems in same landscape try to communicate with each other. Systems in same landscape means both the systems are belongs to same organization or a company.
Normally in A2A communication sender and receiver is inside one organization and developer have freedom to define communication rules .
refers to link
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04s/helpdata/en/66/58934257a5c96ae10000000a155106/content.htm
we will choose service withparty when we are having B2B communication
B2B means Business to Business communication .It is used when there is exchange of information between two different Parties or companies or landscape.
When two applications in different companies communicates with each other we call it B2B Communication.
in case of B2B every party has it own rules which must be followed if we want to communicate between different organization.
refers to link
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp2004/helpdata/en/ca/efb540efe68631e10000000a1550b0/content.htm
communication party (party for short) represents a larger unit, which is involved in a collaborative process. Using a communication party, you generally address a company within a cross-company process.That means we use party only when we r using B2B communcation.for example communication of two diffrent organization who r having different landscape.
The matter of Party comes only when there are number of partners included in the environment. Thats usually happens in B2B systems. The services without party usually happens in normal A2A systems; were normal applications handle the message processing between systems and no multiple partners are interested in same data that are been handled.
/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2005/03/29/xi-error--unable-to-convert-the-sender-service-to-an-ale-logical-system
Business System : It is registered in SLD,We should have all the technical details to use
it, A business system is something that physicallu exists. generally for R/3 applications
we use this one.
Business Service : When we don't have all the technical details then we use the business
service, it is mostly used for B2B scenarios.
In ID objects tab in Business service is there, there right click and create the new business service, and fill the details like interface,...
BUSINESS SERVICE CREATION STEPS:
You can create the Business Service in ID itself.It is an abstract unit and it will act as Business System while exchanging the messages.In ID goto Service Without Party>Choose Business Service>Right Click and say as New>Give Servie Name as your Naming Conventions and choose u r configuration Scenario to adding the same> click on create>It will create the service and u can edit the service>u can find the tabs Receiver,Sender and etc--> Add ur Inbound/Outbound interfaces and corresponding Communication channels.
Regards,
Vinod.

SAP PI Modeling: Two Business systems with party

I am triing to create SAP BPVT Interaction model that describe connection of 2 process components. Each of that components must be business systems with party. As I understand process component must be Process component at business partner for assigning business system with party.
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Logical/Business System/Service & Communication Component/Party

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hi Experts,
we are unable to create a BS with role of integration server, its throwing error with internal server 500.
please advise. we do not have any issues while creating TS with role of WEBASABAP.
thanks and regards,
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Edited by: Prateek Raj Srivastava on Jan 23, 2012 12:13 AM

Hi Kesava,
what is the purpose of creating a business system of type IS? This is automatically done in the post installation by CTC templates. So if the post installation is successfully executed, this should already be there. And if not you should check if the post installation was properly executed and if there where problems analyse why they occured.
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Hi
I'm in confuse with the Logical System when creating a Business System in SLD.
Our requirement is LEGACY -- PI/XI -- ECC.
When I create Business sytem in SLD, I need to give a Logical System. Which system (Is it xi/pi or ECC ) Logical System to be provided?
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Pothana Yadav wrote:
> Hi
>
> I'm in confuse with the Logical System when creating a Business System in SLD.
> Our requirement is LEGACY -- PI/XI -- ECC.
>
> When I create Business sytem in SLD, I need to give a Logical System. Which system (Is it xi/pi or ECC ) Logical System to be provided?
>
> Thanks.
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/people/rajeshkumar.pasupula/blog/2009/03/16/unable-to-convert-the-sender-service-to-an-ale-logical-system
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Assign Business System in Integration Directory

Hi all,
i have basic question.
in my ID, there are some configuration scenarios.
for example, the left side look like,
in case,one of Business System created on SLD was assigned to one of configuration scenarios,
i would need to assign same business system into Business System in Service Without Party in another configuration scenarios, it was not possible to assign.
can i assign BS1 to several configuration scenarios?
or should i create Main scenario in order to define communication channel?
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Hi venjamin
Yes, you can assign the same business system to different configuration scenarios.
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1. Open the cofiguration scenario to which the business system has already been assigned.
Right Click on the Business System> Add to Scenario> Select the scenario to which you want to
assign your business system.
2. Select the objects tab>service without party> business system> your business system> right click-->
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Message was edited by: Bhavesh Kantilal

Not able to see the Business systems

Dear Experts,
Thanks for you support and help.
I have created as per the below sequence for both sender and receiver types wherever necessary
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2. Software Component -
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http://wiki.sdn.sap.com/wiki/display/XI/CopyofFLATFILETOFLATFILE
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Regards
Blue

Hi,
I think u r bussiness system is alredy assign to other scenario.If u assigned once it will not show in the list.U have to import the bussiness system not assign.In ID select 'Objects' it will show all the Bussiness system details.Selet u r business system and add to u r scenario.
Also refesh cache objects using SXI_CACHE and refesh obeject in ID.
In ID Go to ENVIRONMENT->select Clear SLD Cache
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Ravi

Not able to find business system

Guys ,
I am not able to find my business system in service without party -> business system in integration directory .

Hi,
did you have a look at this:
Defining a Business System as a Service
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/3e/60653f0c9fa075e10000000a114084/content.htm
BTW
but first you must create it in the SLD:
Configuring a Business System
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/ae/e3bd4f6b61e146ad1384954ecabb41/content.htm
and if you want to know how to insert a technical system you can take a look at my weblog:
Registering a new technical system in SLD - ABAP based
/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2005/03/10/registering-a-new-technical-system-in-sld--abap-based
Regards,
michal
Message was edited by: Michal Krawczyk

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I'm using "Configuration:Integration Builder(sappidev_PID_00)". I want to assign business system under "Service without party" in my scenarios.
In step 3, I need select a business system, but
You cannot use business systems that already exist as a business service as a business system service
, so I must create a new business system?
In the sap in our company,I found some scenarios are using the same business system.
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Hi Mikenl,
To reuse the Business System, Right click and add the BS to the Scenario where you want to reuse it.
Regarding the client concept.. and Technical Systems....here it goes...
For each Business Systems we assign a Technical System.
When we create a TS we genarally make it as Third Party and can use this in many BS.
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There is no client that you need to create for third party TS.
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Clients in SCC4 are created for different client logins in ABAP Stack of SAP PI and we generally never make any clients for Technical Systems.
For More details on Technical System check this link :
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nwpi71/helpdata/EN/45/da96eae5806f74e10000000a1553f6/frameset.htm
For more info on Business Systems you can see:
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nwpi71/helpdata/EN/45/da96eae5806f74e10000000a1553f6/frameset.htm
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Hi,
for creatting a communication channel you will have to have either the Business system, Business service.
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Message was edited by: vijaya kumari

Can a Business service with party be conveted to a IDOC LSpartner profile?

Hey ,
I have a B2b scenario like this -> Http(external sender) -> XI - > Idoc in my SAP.
I have configured the external sender as service with party. I have configured that sender as a Logical system in my R3 system.
I am not able to make the the service with party map to the LS I have defined. I am able to the same with service without party (adapter specific attributes). This make me wonder if service with party can be mapped to a LS?
I have gone through most of the post in SDN but none answer this specific question.
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Arvind R

thank you for the response -
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