CHANGE RUN and ROLL UP.

Dear all experts,
I am a sap-bw trainee.
Can anybody will please tell what is difference between CHANGE RUN and ROLL UP.
Warm regards
Vinay S. Joshi

Change Run:
When you load master data attribute you have to run attribute change run to activate the changes of attribute; athoerwise you'll get the old value.
You can do it by right click on the infoobject an chose Activate data or in massive way from RSA1->Tools->Attribute change run.
RollUp:
It is done for the infocube has Aggregates.
Its done when you update ur Cube with fresh data it must reflect in aggregates of that with that fresh data.
For More On RollUp Check this link,
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/9a/33853bbc188f2be10000000a114084/content.htm

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HI NItya,
I dont have acess to SAP Screens right now but try this
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Hi Siggi,
You say,
"The change run for master data and hierarchies updates the information of specially the navigational attributes in your already existing aggregates."
Do you mean to say a change run will not update Display Attributes?
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Hi SAP BW Experts ,
I am getting the following problem
2 days back our production system was down when Attribute change run is running in a process chain . After the system is up I triggered the Attribute change run manually for that specific master data Object. But the jobs was cancled automatically. When I checked the Job log I found the following messages
InfoCube XXX is locked by a terminated change Run
System error: RSDU_TABLE_COPY_INI/DDIF_TABL_ACTIVATE /BIC/E200073 /BIC/E100073 0
Message no. DBMAN100
When I verified manage screen in the Infocube XXX , one request is not rolled up . when I tried to rollup that particular request manually again I am getting the same message InfoCube XXX is locked by a terminated change Run
When I tried to create Indexes on that Infocunbe XXX , Again I am getting the same message InfoCube XXX is locked by a terminated change Run
When I tried to load data in to that Infocube I am getting the same message InfoCube XXX is locked by a terminated change Run
The Steps Taken By Me:
1. In SM12 , there are no lock entries for the Infocube XXX
2. According to A.H.P reply I verified the Support package . We are having Import Support package 18 for 3.10( BW 3.10 patch 18 or SAPKW31018 )
so I think there is no problem from patch side.
So please let me know by doing which task , I can eliminate the error message InfoCube XXX is locked by a terminated change Run

I got this reference from one of other site. Hope this solves issues of most of our ques on this topic.
We faced this problem and reported to OSS. They solved our problem.Here is
the answer from OSS
I connected to your BWQ system. I checked the table RSDDAGGRMODSTATEand
found an entrie for a change run "not yet" finished.
CNSID CLOSEDFL TIMESTMP_START TIMESTMP_END TSTPNM
207,851,300 20,030,910,141,500 0 SIDTLHG
As you can see, the field CLOSEDFL is blank (should be 'X' for an ended
change run) and the field TIMESTMP_END is also zero.
You can also check with the function module RSDDS_CHANGERUN_MONITOR as
in note 388069 that both objects you reported are the ones involved
with thi change run error (Infocube ZINV and Infoobject ZELEM_PEP):
E_CR_STATE C
E_T_CHANM 1 Entry (IOBJNM = ZELEM_PEP)
E_T_HIEID 0 Entries
E_T_AGGRSTATE 1 Entry (AGGRID = 3QR79ZYB6VGSDS3C42HPXMA8S
ICUBE = ZINV)
E_T_MSG 1 Entry (IOBJNM = ZELEM_PEP)
You have two choices to solve this problem. You cn either:
1.- Restart the change run and let it finish with ok.
The change run usually fails due to database errors, tablespace
problems, and when some user manually cancel it (NEVER should be
done!!)
2.- Change manually the entry from table RSDDAGGRMODSTATE that isdescribed
above. Set the field CLOSEDFL with a 'X' and also fill the field
TIMESTMP_END with a value with the following format
yy,yym,mdd,hhm,mss. Use, for example, '20,030,910,181,500'
IMPORTANT!!!
After this change on table RSDDAGGRMODSTATE, you have todeactivate
all aggregates, activate again and refill them!!
Hope this solves your error. If the issue is solved, please close this
message with the [confirm] button.
Best regards,
David =C1lvarez
SAP Active Global Support
The answer refers to our problem.We chosed option 2. Here is the AbAPcode:
REPORT ZLOCKED .
tables: RSDDAGGRMODSTATE.
select * from RSDDAGGRMODSTATE where CLOSEDFL = ' '.
RSDDAGGRMODSTATE-CLOSEDFL = 'X'.
RSDDAGGRMODSTATE-TIMESTMP_END = 20020912195015.
MODIFY RSDDAGGRMODSTATE.
ENDSELECT.

Aggregates with Attribute Change Run and Master data

Hi !
I created Aggregate which includes Master Data such as Customer , Customer Number , Material , Material Number.....
It also contains navigational attribute and hierarchy...
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hi,
check these links for attribute change run
What's the attribute change run? and the common sequence of a process chain
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_bw30b/helpdata/en/80/1a67ece07211d2acb80000e829fbfe/content.htm
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Hi Meenakshi,
Regarding your questons:
1. You can't edit the data directly in the cube. If you have incorrect data in the cube and the data is still in the PSA you can edit the incorrect data in the PSA and you can then delete the incorrect requests from the cube. You can then reload the correct data from the PSA. If its not an option to delete individual requests you could delete the incorrect data using the selective deletion option (if you can select on the incorrect data in the cube). You could then reload the correct data from PSA or source system.
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Attribute change run and aggregates

Hi Gurus,
After loading to master data, we do the Attribute change run via RSA!->Tools and select the particular infoobject (which was loaded).
After this do we need to activate the aggregates or are they taken care by the change run which was done for the infoobject.
Also do we need to activate the master data via its context menu or is the attribute change run sufficient.
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Whenever you load new datas into your master data table it wil be in M version(Modified version). you are running an attribute change run to change the M version to A version(Active version). so you dont have to activate the master data separately via its context menu.
The attribute change run will aslo take care of your aggregates. You dont have to activate your aggregates separately.

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Could you tell me what is the difference between making a change-run on a masterdata (rsa1 --> Tools --> Apply Hierarchy/Attribute Change...), and making a right-click on this masterdata and click on "Activate master data" ?
The result seems to be the same, all rows in version M (Revised) are changed in version A (Active)...
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Tempka.

Hi
Change run will update the master data changes in Aggregates and update the object master data as well.
Activate master data will only activate the new records and it will not update the aggregates.
check out the below thread
Attribute Change Run VS Master data activation
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During my analysis to the perocess chains in our BW/BWA systems, I noticed that Change Run either rollup or update BWA indexes. I am not sure what Change Run exactly does for the indexes, so if you please can help in that it will be great. because we are inpecting that this may caused us a failure in BWA indexes before.
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Difference between Activating Master Data and Attribute Change Run

Hi
Is there any difference between Atribute change run and Activating Master data functionaaly???
if wha it is???
can any one explain clearly?
Thanks
Chinna

When u load master data and its attribute to ur data target and if u change any data or attributes of ur master data,in order to update new data to ur data target attribute change run is performed.
When u create a characteristic and if u keep it as master data and activated..it is master data activation
Activating Master Data
When you update master data from an SAP system the master data is imported in an inactive state. You must activate the new master data so that it can be accessed and used for reporting purposes.
For more information, see Versioning Master Data.
Choose the path InfoObject Tree Context Menu of Corresponding Characteristic Activate Master Data.
Upon Activation there are two scenarios to choose from:
The Corresponding Master Data Is Already Being Used in Aggregates in the InfoCube:
If you are already using the available master data in aggregates in InfoCubes, you cannot activate the master data individually. In this case, proceed as follows:
1. In the main menu, choose the path Tools Hierarchy/Attribute Change.
2. Proceed as described in System Response upon Changes to Data: Aggregate.
The system now automatically restructures and activates the master data and its aggregates.
Please note that this process can take several hours if the volume of data is relatively high. Therefore, you should simultaneously activate all of the characteristics that are affected by changes to their master data, at regular intervals.
The Corresponding Master Data Is Not Used in Aggregates:
Choose the path InfoObject Tree ® Context Menu of Corresponding Characteristic Activate.
The system now automatically activates the master data so that it can be used directly in reporting.
If there is any change r newly added records in master data..then that particular data will not b avialable for the reporting unless u do activate master data...
if u r using aggregates and then there is any change in master data ...then that particular master data change wil not b available for the reporting unless u do arrtibute change run for that info object.(T-code RSATTR)
Master data attributes and hierachies are used in cube aggregates also. So to do update the latest master data attributes values in the aggregtes attribute change run need to be performed.So Attribute change run also updates the master data attributes in aggregates which is not apart of master data activation.
Text loads do not need attribute change run. Attributes, hierarchies and aggregates need attribute/hierarchy change runs. If you do not have aggregates, just activating the master data is same as attribute change run.

BW : Query change run

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Can anybody please tell me under what conditions the changerun gets "terminated".Please advise.I checked with alternatives but still finding no reason for the termination.
Thanks in advance,
Madhavi.

Hi,
you mean attribute change run??
When ever a change run fails it will give the reason in the log of the job....like infoobject is locked or something like that.
You should be able to see that.
Reason could be
1)Try to fill roll up or fill the aggregate at the time of change run.
2)Try to change infoobject or do any transports which does changes to cube or infooobject when change run is running.
3) Loading data in the cube or DSO using those characteristics which are part of change run at the same time when chain run is in process.
4) Loading data into any infoobject which is part of attribute change run.
5)Try to change aggregates duriong change run.
6) DSO activation step which have the option "SID creation during activation" running at the time of change run and using characteristics which are part of attribute change run.
Hope it clears.
Thanks
Ajeet

Error with Attribute Change Run - Urjent

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In our scenario we will load master data from APO&ECC to BW.When we are doing attribute change run we are geetting short dump and jobs are cancelling every time .
Please fidn the details below.
Short Dump : ORA-14400 with ABAP/4 DBIF_RSQL_SQL_ERROR..
When I have searched in the forum I got some information saying that we need to drop the index and recreate the index.But we have around 40 cubes.Then how I am going to deside on which I need to the relavent settings.
Please provide me the proper answer.We are facing this problem from past last two days.
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Ramakanth.

Hi,
You can try going to the monitor for Attribute change run from RSA1 >> tools >> apply change run or from Transaction RSATTR which will schedule/display attribute change run. Here you can have an option called change run monitor (Monitor icon). this wil show the status of change run including which all info objects are affected, and if its hitting the aggregates of any cubes. There are scenarios where the attribute change run failed with message that it was hitting/affecting aggregates of some infocubes. In case we had to switch off aggregates and trigger the change run again and then swtich on the aggregates after the change run is over.
And sometimes ACR goes on running for a long time in such case we need to check which Aggregate the ACR is currently changing and need to deactivate that aggregate.
But before deactivating an aggregate you need to check the data present in that and the usage of the aggregate.
Please use the table RSDDCHNGPROT and find out the infocube affected by this change run and de-activate "ALL" the aggregates
of the infocube listed under CNSID=0. Then start the change-run.
You can rebuild/refill the aggregates once the change-run is finished.This is necessary because there are inconsistencies in the aggregates
Most of the times we have problem with the Attribute Change Run(ACR) running because ACR and the Roll Up's for Aggregates cannot run in parallel.
Also you can try Tcode CHANGERUNMONI/program RSDDS_CHANGERUN_MONITOR to view this data.
176606 - Apply Hierarchy/Attribute change ... long runtime
175309 - Hierarchy/attribute - change run improved
oss note 322644
Hope this helps.
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Issue with Attribute change run

Hi All
today one of my team memeber has killed attrribute change run, after that when we tried to use option maintain master data, a message were coming attrtibute has cancelled, please re run, even we were not able to load same infobjects, getting message, master data is locked, when it tried to see data in p table then i was getting few entries having delate and insert image( example for infoobject 0customer for customer number c100 two entries one with d flga other one with in flag.)
First i went in t code se14, i put all tables name then cliecked on activate and adjust data.
Even though problem persist,
Also i was not getting any infobjects in lsit( from rsa1-> tools-> attr change run)
Then i created one dummy process chain with process type attr change run and included only inoobject with which i was facing data load issue.
Please advice on my step.
Thanks,
Prem

Hi,
Goto RSATTR Tcode -> Click on Tab Monitor and Start Terminated Change Run -> system will open a new screen -> here you can see the failed change run, please rerun this failed change run and then try to load data, after successful change run things will be normal.
SAP Clearly suggest NOT TO KILL OR CANCEL Change Run Job. If this don't solve you issue, you may need to look for some SAP Note.

Master data loads vs attr change runs

Hi experts,
I need to load master data daily and want to know the difference between attribute change runs and process chains for master data. Please explain with steps. I know how to create process chains.

Attribute change run is nothing but adjusting the master data after its been loaded from time to time so that it can change or generate or adjust the sid's so that u may not have any problem when loading the trasaction data in to data targets.
Whenever master data attributes or hierarchy is loaded an attribute chnage run need to be performd due to the following reasons:
1. When a master data is changed/updated it gets loaded into the master data table as version "M"(modified). It is only after a attribute chnage run that the master data becomes activated i.e. version "A".
2. Master data attributes and hierachies are used in cube aggregates also. So to do update the latest master data attributes values in the aggregtes attribute change run need to be performed.
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