Color Correcting With a Broadcast Monitor?

I have read the threads and recognize that it is suggested to color correct on an external monitor. I saw a few suggestion that you could use a standard TV with a blue filter to replace the blue only switch. Is there an advantage to color correcting on my LCD TV rather than my powerbook?
Thanks

I'm sorry, I literally wrote the word "NO" and was called away, for some reason feeling compelled to hit "send".
In the sense of a real signal check there is little difference difference between your LCD as a video monitor and seeing it on a computer monitor.
But:
- it' frees up screen space.
- it will probably be more adjustable and capable of getting closer to video gamma and color than the computer screen.
So I guess the answer should have been "Yes, but..."
The buts are:
- it still won't be close enough to avideo gamma and color to be useful as a reference monitor,
- the timing won;'t allow you to see motion artifacts and interlace as they really are.
To answer the last part: yes, it should be different going through the camera and receiving a video signal as opposed to the DVI.
But really not for color correction.

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I have to go back to the avid because they work on avid: adding titles, outputting to digibeta and so on
FCP does all this..there are hundreds of editors and facilities doing this daily, on broadcast television shows. I have been doing this for over 2 years.
As far as I know, there is compression-decompression going to tape and back even in fcp, so there IS a little loss.
Where did you hear that? It is incorrect. Outputting via a capture card to digibeta results in no quality loss whatsoever.
If you have an "official" source of information saying otherwise, please do let us know.
I looked at the AJA website and Decklink website and neither of them say that they compress-decompress upon output. If footage is captured via firewire, there is no quality loss, as was done on the Avid...and similarly with FCP. If you capture with a capture card as a different codec, it will compress it into that codec, but depending on the codec, there is little loss, nothing you'd notice. But Avid does the same thing, capturing to a different codec will result in unnoticable loss in quality. Outputting DV to digibeta...there will be a conversion to the digibeta format, that is unavoidable...on AVID as well as FCP. But again, unnoticable.
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the broadcast safe filter doesnt cut illegal blacks, cuts off only the values that are too high.
Uhm...where did you hear that? It cuts off the top and bottom. Although I don't rely on this solely...I color correct each clip until it falls within range, then add the Broadcast Safe filter, just in case.
FCP handles adding titles and outputting to digibeta, but then you'd need to invest in a capture card. But, since you are in DV land, why not output to a DV tape and then they capture that DV tape...that is a lossless transfer?
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I have a showreel of my work, and some of the clips have sections that are darker than I would like them to be, and I would like to correct the color issues. Is it possible to only correct 3 seconds of over dark video, and not have the entire 2 hours thus over bright? I have tried with key frames, and maybe I am not doing the right way.
I put a keyframe on the 1st frame of the clip in question, then on the last frame of the correct section of the clip, then 1 frame later another keyframe, this is now on the incorrect color clip, then 2 more keyframes, last frame of incorrect color, then on the 1st frame of correct video.
Is this ok?
Justine

A better way is to blade (or add edit) at the beginning and end of the section that needs the correction and just apply the color correct filter to that section.

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So, I am using some video filters to enhance the look of my video project. I am very happy with the way everything looks on my computer monitor.
However, when I play the video through my camcorder to my monitor, the color is WAY off and everything is flickering.
I tried playing the video out through external monitor with the filters turned OFF in FCP and everything looks fine.
I have played the same video out through monitor with one of the filters turned OFF while the others are still ON and the image looks fine. Here is the list of filters in order from top to bottom:
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It seems that the combination of these filters is causing a playback problem on my external monitor. This is an issue b/c I need to see how the color filters will look on my end project as it is played on a TV.
One other interesting wrinkle....the applied filters if left UN-RENDERED and in the green PREVIEW render state, will play through to the monitor fine.
I even tried to print the video to tape in an effort to then re-capture the video that would by my assumption be "off color" but this is what happened....
The video while being printed to tape looked awful on my camcorder monitor AND awful on my computer monitor as it was printing to tape. So, I then rewound the tape and attempted to RE-CAPTURE the video which I thought would now have the wrong colors. But, once the video was re-captured and I played it....it looked FINE on my computer monitor, but AWFUL on my camcorder monitor.
This was the same tape that I saw being recorded in the AWFUL color state yet, it was now playing back fine on my computer monitor.
What is going on???
One last test on my own tonight. I am going to burn a DVD with this video. I assume that the video on the DVD when played back through my TV will look AWFUL however, If I preview the video on my computer monitor through iDVD it will look fine.
Does anyone have any idea what may be going on here?
Thanks,
Pete

David,
I did a test. I burned a DVD of my video. And..the colors were off, the image was flickering...generally terrible.
But, then I paused the DVD and.....color was perfect!
Just as I wanted.
So, there is something going on with the interlaced video fields on TV monitors maybe???
I don't know.
But, the problem is definitely with the NTSC monitor side of things...but a problem generating from the use of thes filters in FCP.
Still not solved.

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Hi,I´m editing .mts files in premiere pro, but I want to do the color correction in a diferent program, but since must of the programs don´t support mts files, what would you recomend? after that, I want to get back to premiere to finish my worflow, but I don´t wan´t any compression, any advice? I would love to correct in Da Vinci..

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or use Speedgrade...

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I'm following an old tutorial on color correcting images from digital cameras using curves.
1. Is using the curves to color correct more accurate than using levels?
2. It has me enter for shadows: r=20, g=20, b=20 highlights:r=240, g=240, b=240 and midtones: r=128, g=128. b=128 and to save them as defaults. What are these values based on? Are these values good to use for all digital images?
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StanWelks wrote:
1. Is using the curves to color correct more accurate than using levels?
2. It has me enter for shadows: r=20, g=20, b=20 highlights:r=240, g=240, b=240 and midtones: r=128, g=128. b=128 and to save them as defaults. What are these values based on? Are these values good to use for all digital images?
3. It also has me set the default RGB working space to Adobe RGB (1998). Is this still the best color space for working with digital camera images?
No, No, and No.
The long answers are more complicated.
Curves is not more accurate than levels, just different. Curves is just another way to manipulate image data. You can do more complex things with Curves than you can with levels - for example by setting multiple points. Though I'm not quite sure what specific defaults you're being instructed to change, I don't think I'd change any defaults per one tutorial if you're not familiar with Photoshop. Use Photoshop with Adobe's defaults until you understand why you'd want to change them. Otherwise you'll get used to it working a different way than everyone else, and that could cause ongoing confusion.
Your working space choice is basically defining the default way you want to work, and there's no one "right" setting. Your choice will be highly dependent on what you do with your images after you Photoshop them, and how you want it to act when there are choices to be made. Again, I'd suggest leaving it on Adobe's default (sRGB) until after you read up on color management and really understand why you want to use one color space or another. It's a big, complex subject that will take some time to get one's head around, but it's well worth doing.
-Noel

Color Correction Monitor

I know this question has come up before, but after reading some posts I thought I'd see if anyone had any feedback on this monitor.
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It's the JVC DT-V24L1DU 24" Multi-Format LCD Monitor with 1080p Native Resolution and HD-SDI.
I've got a Kona LHe card with HD-SDI I/O.
Could I do critical color correction with that setup? I'm not at the stage where my color correction is critical yet, but I don't want to be re-buying anything if I don't have to.
Any suggestions?
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This isn't an area of color correction per-say but involves general engineering of all the different video signals and how to mix them up and travel back and forth and what not.
Generally speaking, HD video is in a completely different color space than Analog/Digital video. itu-709 vs. itu-601. How are those conversions handled? Is the device you're using accurate? It's just one of the many bains of video engineers that care.
I've heard but not been able to confirm that some JVC hdv cams are in the itu-601 spec which if true would totally throw off how FCP handles color space conversion and the nearest I can tell that it does this is simply through frame size.
How are you monitoring currently? Aside from this monitor, what interface is spitting that video out of your computer? Currently at my house, I use an Aja Kona LHe that spits out component analog to my PVM-14M4U. When I am working with itu-709 video, is that on-the-fly video downconversion completely accurate? Without external scopes I couldn't tell you but I'm relying on the the trustworthiness and reputation of Aja products. I've installed and use many of their products in various facilities and I know them to be of excellent reputation.
As far as your colors being far off, you tell me? Who's your viewing audience, what sort of display are they watching, how's that signal getting there?
I'm hoping some of the more learned folks here can correct or corroborate any of the info I've related this morning.
Good luck, the water gets deeper and much colder very quickly the more you know.

Advice for logical workflow for color correcting and color grading

I am an experienced user of PPRO CS5. I am a novice with color correcting and color grading. I am also just barely competant in AE CS5. It has been suggested that I use AE for color correcting my footage. Can you advise me as to the most logical workflow for doing this in coordination with PPRO CS5? Are there some tutorials that you recommend? I subscribe to Lynda.com and I think that they have some great tutorials, I am unsure as to where to begin looking and what to search for.
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lisaellensegal wrote:
I am an experienced user of PPRO CS5. I am a novice with color correcting and color grading. I am also just barely competant in AE CS5. It has been suggested that I use AE for color correcting my footage.
You can do it that way, sure. But you don't have to. You can accomplish quite a lot without leaving PPro. This has two major advantages. First, if you aren't using AE for anything else, it gets you out of using AE at all, so gets you out of climbing another set of learning curves.
Second, even if you are using AE for other things (I use AE to make motion lower thirds, for example), doing the work in PPro can improve exporting speeds. This is because AE gets restricted to a single processor core in some workflows as discussed in this thread and others (search around if you're interested). This can make exporting take 3x as long or longer, depending on how much footage has to be processed by AE.
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If you find you have specific colors that need to be fixed, you can apply another three way color correction effect and use it to make that secondary color correction (for example I find the blue dyes used in many labels tend to fluoresce under fluorescent lighting, and has to be desaturated with a secondary color correction or it "blooms" on an HDTV -- IOW, it has to be made "broadcast safe").
If you want tutorials for using these tools, the ones on Creative Cow by Andrew Devis are quite good, and free. The ones on color correction with PPro cs6 start at tutorial number 47. There's a bunch of them. All good.
Finally, get a copy of Van Hurkman's Color Correction Handbook. May be the best technical book I've ever read, and it'll certainly point you in the right direction for doing color correction work regardless of which tools you use to do it.

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I have a 13" SD TV hooked up to my mac working as a color correction monitor for FCE.
My question is: Should I always color correct using the TV monitor vs looking at the Canvas in FCE? What I'm seeing is the picture in the canvas is darker and more saturated then the view of the TV monitor. Is it best to trust the TV monitor vs the canvas? And should it make any difference if the final project is going to DVD vs online? I'm assuming the ending product (mov file) should look the same if the mov file is viewed from a computer vs on a TV from a DVD. In a nut shell, once the clip is color corrected using the ext monitor, should I be good to go no matter where the file ends up?
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I would take some photos with color miss match eg blue tint (Blå-Stick in Swedish)
and with other known color anomalities.
Put them in TimeLine and playback. View TV - corrected or as bad as from start.
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Color Correcting in Final Cut general question

I am finding I'm at the end of a long process with my feature film and I'm preparing to output and yet again I've run up against a wall of my ignorance...
1. It's a dv film I don't want to just output the film and then apply a color correct as I'm afraid of a lot of clipping...so I'm doing the individual clips through the film and I'm finding a lot of them I have to limit the rgb to 90 some go as low as 88, some are just fine at 100 or 97...it was shot on the dvx100 and I looked up the dvx and see it is geared for superwhite...but I want to prepare my film for broadcast...I wonder though if this is why I'm getting a lot that I have to limit the rgb to 90??? I wouldn't have known to tell the DP please don't use the superwhite settings.
So am I doing this right?
After I output the whole thing, do I color correct the quicktime again when I letterbox it (it's 720x480 to be letterboxed to 1:85:1) before encoding it for the mpeg2? Or if I'm doing it this way is it not necessary?
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Also is it stupid to do this when I already went through the film and applied color correction as what is bothering me is a lot of the color correct with the range check shows that little arrow that shows it's on the edge...those are the clips I'm bringing down to code because a lot of them the rgb is too hot...for just preparing a professional dv is it necessary to do what I'm doing?
I really want to prepare it once and not do different color corrects again so if what I'm doing above is correct for broadcast quality though it's going to look more muted on a dvd but maybe that's my confusion as many of the bright hilights giving it that look are on the verge or are clipped.

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If your Camera has the Zebras set at 95-100% White...you would point camera at the "TOOL" and adjust exposure so that the zeras display on the white section. You can not do anything about the black. (It will fall into place from the exposure on the white)
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Exposure is all about tones. Black to white thru grey tone actually. (Forget about color)
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Is anyone else haveing this problem?
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Hi, I'm having a problem using Fast color correction with two different clips which show the same picture and are of different colors. here are the frames:
This is the correct color; checking the white balance it's perfectly white when check with the front of the raft. Perhaps the saturation should be slightly modified but over all this is exactly what you see when arriving at Red Cavern (the name speaks for itself) on the Colorado.
Here is the same shot taken at the same hour by a friend of mine who gave me some of his footage; everything is either white, pink or grey even the yellow raft on the left has not its true pure yellow which it is in reality:
Although taken at 20 years interval, the shots were done most probably at the same hour. The only difference being a more important set of trees due essentially to the level of water higher on my trip in 1995 than 2 years ago on my friend's one. The beach on the right side of mine being under water or having formed later. Of course the second shot is done with a digital camcorder which did not exist 20 years earlier.
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I think that's about as nice as you can expect ... years apart, or even just hours apart with sun coming in a different angle on the same rocks (not even depending on any reflection changes!) can oft get massive shifts in "apparent" color. Which is ... real? Either, both, neither? It's actually one of the things that makes going back & shooting in the same place over & over interesting ... it's never EXACTLY the same ... or rarely so.
Ahh, now we're almost into a discussion someone will moan about needing to be continued over on the Sg forum ... tee-hee.
From your comment about transferring clips ... are you using an EDL process? When using "Direct Link" (the "direct to SpeedGrade" command) normally all the "stuff" from the PrPro project are included. There have been the odd instances where Sg doesn't "see" something, but ... I'm curious, I've not run into this for most anything I've done "direct". Either direct or EDL can work, but it does change your work-patterns a ton depending on which you choose.
SpeedGrade is an amazing tool ... and is designed to give a very good basic correction and then allow one to step off the deep-end into stylin' your shots. Especially with the large collection of "legacy" clips you've got from your friend, that seem to be of a similar "look", you can correct those for basics (WB, dynamic range, blacks & whites, hue shifts) using a Primary or two or three and then a Secondary for the hue-shifts. Then save that as a "Look" and anytime you run more of those clips, you can just in a couple clicks throw that Look over top of them and have all your previous work on that footage done bang. Slick as all get out, and I think you'll love that part of it.
Just a bit on my process that has come about since going so heavily into DL ... it used to be enough "work" to export an EDL, load things into Sg, then export out to re-import back into PrPro that like most I did pretty much to edit-lock & then to Sg. That is pretty much History ... it's so fast that when I start putting together a sequence for a new project I'll just throw a number of clips onto the timeline ... DL to Sg, do a Basic grade on them (especially if there's significant skin as I've got a GH3 and it naturally makes skin un-natural so I've a Look to recover skin-looking skin) and go back to PrPro. Now as I'm editing I've got a feel for how good a visual I'll get off that group of clips. Mostly finish my editing, with maybe an occasional minute or two over in Sg (quite literallly) doing something like making something a Master Clip so the other bits of that one get the same grade automatically). Before doing the final export out of PrPro I'll go to Sg and do the rest of the "style" work.
Then back in PrPro thow on my titles & such, pop in any fixed audio from Audition, & out it goes.
I do use some "adjustment layers" added to sequences in PrPro simply to use for additional grading layers to utilize in Sg over groups of clips or occasionally one if I'm doing enough I want to put it "up" on a different layer. Not always ... but sometimes.
Pretty slick for the most part.
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