Cost Element Postings

Hi all,
I have a request from user where they want to DR Sec Cost Element A, Cost Object 1 and CR Sec Cost Element B, Cost Object 2 in KB15N.
Based on my limited understanding of controlling, I do not think that's possible.
Secondary cost elements are used to transfer cost between different cost objects. So a transaction entry would look like :
DR Cost Object 1, Sec Cost Element A
CR Cost Object 2, Sec Cost Element A
This is also why in KB15N, each line consists of a sender, a receiver and only one cost element field. Each line represents a 2-legged entries.
If we want to achieve what user needs, we have to consider primary cost elements. And the posting should be from FI (e.g. F-02). Can we do so directly in any CO tcode and the FI entry would be generated automatically? I looked at KB11N and do not think it's used for such purpose.
Any advice?

Hi
As per my understanding, you can achieve the said requirement through the assessment process in controlling
Basic requirement for Assessment is as mentioned
1.Create a secondary cost element (KA06)
2 . Maintain Assessment (KSU1) with this cost element
- Under this maintain the Cost Object 2, Sec Cost Element A as sender
-Maintain the Cost Object 1, Sec Cost Element A as receiver
Then run the Assessment (KSU5)
Hope this will helpful to you
Thanks regards
Praveen PC

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see below explainations.
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Hi Makarand,
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Message no. KI 295
Diagnosis
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Hi PS experts,
My client has an issue pertaining to actual cost reports. The cost element report shows actual costs $42,000 for one WBS and when I double click to see details the value it shows is $2100. Even when I checked line item report for this WBS the value is $2100. What could be the reason for getting different values? If some one throw some light on this it would be great helpful to me
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Laxminarsimha
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